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Re: Virginia Tech shooting [Re: Beth E] #386003
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Re: Virginia Tech shooting [Re: Snake] #386004
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Why would anyone want to take advantage of the grief of others? Like it's not enough that these poor families have lost the most precious people in their lives, but now they are going to be subject to this? Hate-mongering and God do not go together, by any stretch of the imagination.


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Re: Virginia Tech shooting [Re: Snake] #386005
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Opportunists, that's really all they are. They see this as their chance to be recognized. Trying to capitolize on a tragedy in order to get their 15 minutes of fame and recognition. No coverage, no press, no big deal made, and they'll just fade away fast.



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Re: Virginia Tech shooting [Re: Don Cardi] #386007
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 Originally Posted By: Don Cardi
Opportunists, that's really all they are. They see this as their chance to be recognized. Trying to capitolize on a tragedy in order to get their 15 minutes of fame and recognition. No coverage, no press, no big deal made, and they'll just fade away fast.


Something tells me that the ER doctors, who yesterday were treating students and removing bullets from their bodies, will in a few days be extracting picket signs from the a$$es of members of the Westboro Church.

Re: Virginia Tech shooting [Re: klydon1] #386013
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 Originally Posted By: klydon1

Something tells me that the ER doctors, who yesterday were treating students and removing bullets from their bodies, will in a few days be extracting picket signs from the a$$es of members of the Westboro Church.





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Re: Virginia Tech shooting [Re: Don Cardi] #386017
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 Originally Posted By: Don Cardi
 Originally Posted By: klydon1

Something tells me that the ER doctors, who yesterday were treating students and removing bullets from their bodies, will in a few days be extracting picket signs from the a$$es of members of the Westboro Church.




Cardi did say something about taking a vacation...


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Re: Virginia Tech shooting [Re: DonMichaelCorleone] #386018
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I'm off Friday, Cardi. Meet me at the train station if you need a hand.


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Re: Virginia Tech shooting [Re: Beth E] #386019
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Don't even get me started on these Westboro fucks. Its people like them that give the human race a bad name.

 Originally Posted By: Pathetic morons
Why did this happen, you ask? It's simple. Your military chose to shoot at the servants of God today, and all they got for their effort was terror. Then, the LORD your God sent a crazed madman to shoot at your children. Was God asleep while this took place? Was He on vacation? Of course not. He willed this to happen to punish you for assailing His servants.


What the fuck kind of bullshit is he spewing? I hope that someday I cross paths with good old Phelps.


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Re: Virginia Tech shooting [Re: Don Cardi] #386035
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 Originally Posted By: Don Cardi
Sick Fucks. \:\/



That's an understatement.


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Re: Virginia Tech shooting [Re: klydon1] #386038
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 Originally Posted By: klydon1
Something tells me that the ER doctors, who yesterday were treating students and removing bullets from their bodies, will in a few days be extracting picket signs from the a$$es of members of the Westboro Church.


God bless those ER doc's. If I were them I wouldn't extract anything from those sick bastards. I'd make 'em walk around for the rest of their lives with those hate signs up their ass.


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Re: Virginia Tech shooting [Re: goombah] #386042
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The sick bastard apparently thought he could write.

Lousy writer, imo. While this is certainly an eyebrow-raiser, I frankly don't see much difference between this and what a few folks have attempted here (content wise) in past threads in penning short novels, screenplays, etc. Hardly sticks out like a sore thumb. Maybe he had some "Daddy" issues...who knows?


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Re: Virginia Tech shooting [Re: Snake] #386046
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Let's all rate the guy's scripts! Perhaps somebody will come along and adapt one of them!


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Re: Virginia Tech shooting [Re: Snake] #386053
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That is some pretty bad writing.

I've read some fairly morbid and morose stuff, who knows which person will be the next mass murderer? You can't really predict I think. All the English majors I know are scared of guns and blood and gory stuff! \:p


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Re: Virginia Tech shooting [Re: goombah] #386056
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Whatever faculty member read this should've shot him!
Now that they're finding out about the gutless wonder, they're harpin' on how he was friendless, quiet, a loner, yada-yada-yada. Maybe they're attempting to show how someone should've noticed something and intervened, but I've known countless such people, and they never went on a rampage. The guy was just a depraved little bastard, that's all...no excuses, sorry.


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Re: Virginia Tech shooting [Re: Snake] #386059
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In my class last night, as I posted that I would, I instructed my students about what to do in the event of an armed intruder. As I also do at the beginning of every class I reviewed news items one of which was the VT shootings. I then told the class about the woman in California who stabbed her newborn 135 times. I then noticed that one girl at the far end of the first row has completely rotated her seat to face the back of the class and she's conversing with someone on the second row and she's laughing. I said "you think this is funny" and I left the room to cool down.

These kids have little or no concept of tragedy, of the variables that can wreck a life or lives.

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Moral judgment aside, how is that bad writing? He has started writing it like a script with attention to action, then packed in a lot of conversations which is suitable for plays.
I think the play is hilarious, though obviously very unsuitable for a class assignment.

Re: Virginia Tech shooting [Re: olivant] #386073
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I just love it when they use the excuse someone was a loner or depressed when something like this happens. Hell, I certainly was a loner in high school. I didn't have one friend, and I certainly never went to any social functions such as proms, ie. I'd rather get an F in a class then do an oral report. Maybe I need to start going around shooting people.


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Re: Virginia Tech shooting [Re: Beth E] #386075
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How often do you see perfectly happy, social people doing acts of crime of this nature? Most serial killers are misfits in the society, have some psychological problem or the other. So it is natural for people to point out those factors. It is not an excuse or justification. It is just an explanation. Not every loner is depressed or mad enough to go and kill people. Everyone deals with problems differently.

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 Originally Posted By: Beth E
I just love it when they use the excuse someone was a loner or depressed when something like this happens. Hell, I certainly was a loner in high school. I didn't have one friend, and I certainly never went to any social functions such as proms, ie. I'd rather get an F in a class then do an oral report. Maybe I need to start going around shooting people.


It's not an excuse; it's a reason. Reasons presage an action. Address the reasons and you may preclude the action.


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Re: Virginia Tech shooting [Re: Beth E] #386082
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 Originally Posted By: Beth E
I'm off Friday, Cardi. Meet me at the train station if you need a hand.


Well do it on SC's turf, where we'll be safe. ;\)

The media should not give these screwballs ANY press whatsoever. This way they'll just crawl back in the hole that they came out of.



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Re: Virginia Tech shooting [Re: Don Cardi] #386111
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 Originally Posted By: Don Cardi
The media should not give these screwballs ANY press whatsoever. This way they'll just crawl back in the hole that they came out of.


You mean the media should act responsibly? Like THAT's going to happen.


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Re: Virginia Tech shooting [Re: Sicilian Babe] #386114
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I know I'm gonna be in trouble for this but THESE are the people that need killing. Goddamn lunatic fundamentalists.


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Re: Virginia Tech shooting [Re: pizzaboy] #386116
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As time goes on and you start hearing the victims and their families stories it's gut wrenching. I'm watching Nancy Grace now and she said a mother broke down to her, she was down on her knees crying uncontrollably. She'd lost her only child. As a mother of an only child I can relate. Sometimes it's just too much to watch.


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Re: Virginia Tech shooting [Re: Beth E] #386123
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I can't imagine the depth of that woman's pain. It is every parent's nightmare to have to bury a child. It frightens me to even think that way, as if I was putting a curse on one of my children. I pray that they find some consolation, some way to stay sane. I've always thought that I would rather throw myself in the coffin and go with them, rather than see the light of a day without one of my children.


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I'm amazed at how calm some of the kids are who are being interviewed. One young man was in a class of about 15 kids, and of those 15 10 were killed. He and another student barricaded the door after the gunman left. He tried to come back in, but couldn't, and shot through the door. If they hadn't done that he surely would have come back in that room and finished them off. he's just talking like he's explaining away anything. He has to be in shock. They say that none of the people killed was shot less then 3 times each. The carnage must be inconceivable.

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Re: Virginia Tech shooting [Re: Beth E] #386135
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 Originally Posted By: Beth E

They say that none of the people killed was shot less then 3 times each.


What a punk.



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Re: Virginia Tech shooting [Re: Don Cardi] #386143
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 Originally Posted By: Don Cardi
 Originally Posted By: Beth E

They say that none of the people killed was shot less then 3 times each.


What a punk.



I'm going to say something, and I'm sorry if it causes controversy. But I think part of the reason for that is because of all of the new ideas in school. You can't play dodgeball because kids feel left out, kids are suspended for WEEKS for fighting, and it leads to things like this. We try and shield them from violence and it doesn't work. I've had problems with tons of people in my life, and I've been in enough hand to hand fights in my life, and you know what? It usually ENDS THERE. The problem is that kids like this don't have that, and they get all of this rage built up inside of them and they have to take it out in ways like this. There are people on this message board who weren't picked for dodgeball, are they mad or depressed people? NO, they got over it and found something else to be good at.

I think not allowing these kids to fight or do something to get anger out is what causes things like shooting someone 3 times. Thats much different then the news report of him just opening fire and the bullets were sprayed, for people to be hit 3 times he had to hold the gun there.


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Re: Virginia Tech shooting [Re: svsg] #386145
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 Originally Posted By: svsg
How often do you see perfectly happy, social people doing acts of crime of this nature? Most serial killers are misfits in the society, have some psychological problem or the other. So it is natural for people to point out those factors. It is not an excuse or justification. It is just an explanation. Not every loner is depressed or mad enough to go and kill people. Everyone deals with problems differently.


How many shy kids would fit the "troubled" description who are no threat to anybody, and certainly don't deserve the harrassment of forced counselling in a world run by extroverts.

Though having said that, this NYTimes article and interview with Cho's roommate really point to warning signs.

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Roommates Describe Gunman as Loner

By MARC SANTORA
BLACKSBURG, Va., April 17 — He was a stranger in a crowd of 26,000. Cho Seung-Hui was even unknown to the young man who for nearly a year slept just feet away from him.

“He was my roommate,” said Joe Aust, a 19-year-old sophomore. “I didn’t know him that well, though.”

Mr. Aust, who was an engineering major, and another student who shared their suite, Karan Grewal, 21, painted a picture of a loner who ate his meals alone in the dining hall and shunned any attempts at friendship.

They never saw him with a girl or any friends for that matter.

But they thought he was just strange. Never in a million years could they imagine him to be the kind of person who would kill 32 other people in a three-hour spasm of violence.

Mr. Cho was identified this morning by officials at Virginia Tech as the man who the day before gunned down professors and fellow classmates in what now stands as the worst rampage shooting in American history.

While his acquaintances were stunned by the news, they did acknowledge, in hindsight, seeing warning signs.

Although Mr. Cho told his roommate he was a business major, the university said today that he was an English major.

Carolyn Rude, the chair of the English Department, said that she had spoken to a professor who taught Mr. Cho and was told that the general impression of him was that he was “troubled.”

“There were signs that he was troubled,” she said. “And the English Department at one point did intervene.”

She said that it related to something he wrote in a creative writing class but did not give details about what was written or what kind of intervention was taken, only that it was some time ago, before she was made chair of the department.

“Sometimes some creative writing class students will say something that unnerves us,” she said. “I know that there was some intervention and I don’t know the particulars.”

She said she had not seen what he wrote and said that she could not make public such personal information about a student.

Without going into the specifics of this case, she said that often when there is an intervention the incident is reported to either the counseling center or the dean of students.

“We are not psychologists,” she said.

If some of Mr. Cho’s teachers were concerned, the students who shared a suite with him were puzzled by him.

Mr. Grewal recalled how earlier in the year someone running for a student council position visited the suite to pass out candy and ask for votes. Mr. Cho would not even make eye contact with him, turning his head away and refusing to make conversation.

The suite is made up of three rooms, each with two students, and a common area with a couch and two chairs. There were no decorations on the walls and the bathroom, in typical college fashion, was littered with discarded soap dispensers and bits of toilet paper. Above the stall was a sign reminding everyone to flush when they were done.

In the corner of the main common area, there were dozens of empty water bottles and Dr. Pepper cans piled. On top of the bottles were at least six beige and blue plastic gloves used by the police as they searched the Mr. Cho’s room last night.

Mr. Grewal said officers were in Mr. Cho’s room, on the second floor of Harper Hall, from 7 p.m. until midnight and they interviewed each of the suitemates.

The police, he said, were surprised that even his roommate knew so little about him.

Mr. Aust was not comfort able showing a reporter into his room, but said the police had taken most of his stuff away anyway. “I know they took his computer,” Mr. Aust said

Mr. Aust spoke just outside his room, on the wall outside the door was Mr. Aust’s name was with that of his roommate, spelled “Sueng-ho,” on an orange cutout of a fish provided to all the students by the resident advisor when they moved in last August.

“He was always really, really quiet and kind of weird, keeping to himself all the time,” he said. “Just of anti-social, didn’t talk to anybody. I tried to make conversation with him in August or so and he would just give one word answers and not try and carry on the conversation.”

He said it was a creepy quietness.

“I would notice a lot of times, I would come in the room and he would kind of be sitting at his desk, just staring at nothing,” he said.

Mr. Aust and Mr. Grewal, 21, said he was often on his computer.

“When he was in the room, he would spend a lot of time on his computer, downloading music and stuff,” Mr. Aust. said. There was no single style of music that he particularly liked in particular, from rock to country to pop.

Mr. Cho was often out of the room.

“He was probably gone more often than he was here,” he said. “I just figured he had classes.”


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 Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
I can't imagine the depth of that woman's pain. It is every parent's nightmare to have to bury a child. It frightens me to even think that way, as if I was putting a curse on one of my children. I pray that they find some consolation, some way to stay sane. I've always thought that I would rather throw myself in the coffin and go with them, rather than see the light of a day without one of my children.


I used to say I could survive anything, I truly believed I was that tough.

But now I know I would be hardpressed to survive the death of my children. I can't imagine going on. Really.


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No parent on God's green earth should have to bury their children no matter what the reason. It's just not right.


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