What it is to be popular.I wasn't even having a go at you. I just find it mystifying that you havent seen all of III. Surely every GF fan should sit through it?

Why? Because it's GFIII? That makes it mandatory that any fan of the others should force themselves to watch it even though it admittedly pales in comparison?

I must admit though, I admire your choice of words. "Sit through it..." is exactly the term I'd use if I ever did make it to the end.

This was actually a pretty good thread for a while. I even got a nice synopsis of the Connie/Altobello thing after daring to veer off topic a bit. Let's all stop begging Apple to watch GFIII and go back to the far more interesting subject of Vincent 'ascending' the throne.

Apple

Well, it would be the case for you.

I think a true fan of the films should watch III at least once yes, even if it does pale in comparison, everything falls short of GFI in my book, every film ever made. But that doesnt mean I wont watch them

So being a 'true fan' of GF and GFII somehow obligates one to watch GFIII.



Apple

As a Godfather fan. Yes

Then get out the cuffs, officer...I'll go quietly.



You're taking this way to seriously, HF. However, I'll admit that at least in this thread, you've become more of an amusement than an annoyance.

Apple

Speaking of Vincent and GF III, not for nothing but the twins who were Vincent's right hand men were supposed to have been so good, and yet, in there first big test, they are both killed, pretty easily I might add, by the assasain. Couple that with what TB pointed out about Vincent's people not getting the family to the cars fast enough, and that only tells me that Vincent was a poor judge of character when hiring his people.


Don Cardi

If only you could reach that level

Good point about Vincent, the twins were - for want of a better word - crap. The two old hands Calo and Neri pull of their hits without a problem, but the younger guys fail immediately

Why was Calo...a loyal server of Mike - given the suicide mission?

Calo wanted revenge for the death of Don Tommasino, so he was probably more than willing to go kill Lucchesi.

Exactly right Lou.

When Calo comes to deliver the news to Michael about Don Tomassino's murder, he tells Michael : " "My master is dead. Blood calls for blood. I must have revenge!" and Michael tells him : "Some day, you may have to do a difficult service for me." and Calo replies : "Command me. I will avenge him!"


Don Cardi

Yeah. I spose so. But did he mean it literally? I mean Mike got someone to blow Fabrizio up for him...

I never really thought choosing Vincent was a reasonable choice. I mean, Sonny and Connie both had legitimate sons (or does "illegtimate son" sounds better? -- sort of a parallel of Michael being "illegitimate" and wanting to become "legitimate" by GFIII?) This is the big thing that really bothered me about GFIII. Why Vincent? Why suddenly make up a character for the movie? Oh well, I guess these questions have been asked over and over again and I'm just repeating them.

Sure, Vincent had the characteristics of Sonny and some of Michael but his character just seemed fake, like he just suddenly appeared into the trilogy. I didn't believe in his character and the character seemed poorly written (yes, I get that he's Sonny's son but I'm sure there's more to him than that). Even though Andy Garcia was quite good as Vincent, an actor can only do so much.

At the point where Michael hands over the family to Vincent, I don't think he cared much about the business anymore. And just like what Don Cardi said, he wanted to protect his daughter and Vincent giving up his daughter and becoming the new don -- a position that he wanted so much -- adds to what Michael values most -- which is his own family.

Well, I disagree with The Hollywood Finochio in his first post. Even though the character of Kay seems a bit misplaced and somewhat awkward in GFIII, I think it adds to the character of Michael, which was what made the film so much better.

One of the big disappointments of GFIII is that the actual plot is so confusing that I had no idea what was happening the first time I saw it. Besides the character of Vincent being unreasonable, the dialogue seems jagged and just kind of strange. It didn't really feel like a GF movie (well, that's why everyone hate it, right?). But it was very standard Hollywood of the 1990's entertaining so that was absolutely fine with me.

Even though the film was 2hrs and 40min it felt like 3hrs, mainly because of the whole opera sequence at the end, which is oh-so-cliched, but that's okay because I love opera even though it kind of dragged the film along.

Hey that was a great post. I enjoyed it

I'm not as against Vinnie as you seem to be. We all know Sonny played around with Lucy from the first movie. Would it be reasonable to believe that Frank or Sonny JR would be as psychotic as Sonny when Sandra had brought them up all these years alone? I think its possible that Lucy would have definitely allow herself to become pregnant to trap Sonny, she was thwarted as he was killed and lumbered with his kid. Lucy was probably a bad mother and fuelled his son with stories of his father and how he was killed. Whereas I think Sandra would have tried to keep her two sons rages at bay. We never saw either boy in parts II or III, and there must have been a reason for that.

I always liked an idea for part IV the Frank and Sonny JR come up against Vincent.

Apple, you refuse to watch all of GFIII because you weren't asked to be in it!

Well, I was offered to be in it but they didn't want to pay me as much as Pacino.

Besides that, they wouldn't even let me write my own lines.

So ... FUCK 'EM !!!

Apple

Such a lady you are!

I think once Sonny was killed, Sonny's wife took the kids away from the family business and sheltered the kids from that way of life -- the same way of life that killed Sonny.

Connie had kids, yes, and that would have been interesting to see one of them come through the ranks like Vincent did and see Connie pulling strings behind Mike's back... but part of me believes that Connie lobbied for Vincent to keep her own kids out of the family business as well.

Connie knows better than anyone what the family business can do to a person so why would she want to subject her kids to it? Sure she loved Vincent because it was a way to connect with Sonny -- who's death she still felt responsible for -- but Vincent was also somewhat detached from the family in the first place, so it was easier for Connie to get behind him when it came to the family business.

I do agree that the Vincent character comes out of nowhere (although the Lucy Mancini connection was cool) and it's such an obvious dues ex machina, but I think that as the film plays out, Vincent's character works, like many things in the film -- even though it is still flawed.

And I'll agree with the dialogue. A lot of it is eye-rolling inducive.

For me the real problem with Vincent is not that he is SOnny's bastard son, but it is the way he rises through the ranks so quickly. In the beginning of the movie he is nothing more than a tough street hood with no manners, no finesse, and little or no education. By the time the movie ends, Michael has given him about three lectures about keeping his temper under control, and all of a sudden he commands so much respect that his "betrayal" impresses Don Luchese. He seems to take over all security for the family (we see how THAT turns out) and he is a financial whiz to boot cause he comprehends the whole immobiliare deal. It is just not believable.

You are kidding right?

Carlo's kids?


Carlo gets whacked and then his kid becomes head of the Corleone family? Wrong name? Wrong idea?

She didn't suggest that one of these boys should have taken over the family. All she did was reply to a post pointing out that there were OTHER male blood relatives in the Corleone family besides Vincent.

I thought the power of the bloodline is broken when its on the female side?

Do you really think Vincent was a common mafia hood? He was PLANTED there in Zazaa's territory .

Altobello was in cahoots with Luchese, and he helped engineer the hit in Atlantic City as well as the Immobiliare double cross.

Side question:
Where else have the twins appeared in GFIII? They just cropped up out of nowhere, for me.

Planted? By whom?


"Vincent. Mr. Joe Zasa now owns what used to be the Corleone family business, in New York. Out of the kindness of his heart he gave you a job in his family. Contrary to my advice, you took the job. I’d offered you something, better, in the legitimate world. You turned me down."

Obviously he was not planted anywhere. I think when Zassa was told by Michael that his dispute with Vincent was his business, Zassa thought maybe he could the failed hit on Vincent.

Even after the hit Michael is mad at Vincent for killing the two goons because it is causing trouble in the commission.

Also, later on in Atlantic City when they are passing the money arou0nd to everyone Vincent does a a very "un Corleone" like thing when he passes Zassa and says "Nothing in here for you."

ya, Micheal said so to Zassa's face. But we need to think outside the box. Could Micheal really be unaware of Zassa's threat and ambition? He said so just to prove it was not his business and make the problem smaller.