I think you have posted that one already about irish..

Ha Ha.

No thanks

That's Italian for "What a heck of a play"

Yes I did. But I couldn't resist after seeing what you said.

Peter Pan Peanutbutter did.

Peter Pan Peanut Butter is for pud pounding poopypants. Skippy is the only real peanut butter!!

Peter Pan Peanut Butter is my favorite. IMHO it is the best to bake with and it makes real good peanut butter milk shakes. I hope they bring it back soon but till then I'll get Skippy.

Right. And as far as science goes, although I again do not deny anyone the right to believe in them, it is scientifically probable, as in countless millions to one that I am right in not believing they happened, and believers are scientifically countless millions to one wrong in believing they did.

That is a scientific fact. The whole notion of faith is believing in something despite the rationality which opposes or questions it.

Say that 3 times fast.

Ditto! All the rest are fakes. And besides, Peter Pan peanut butter can kill you!

Experiencing one miracle is not a big deal. It is the occurrence of an extremely unlikely event statistically. But repeated miracles is necessary(because of the powers usually attributed) and sufficient(statistically speaking) proof of God for me. The day I start seeing miracles consistently, I am going to believe in God.

Or miracles are part of Hazard, which is an integral part of my life, my existence. Millions play the lottery, but the odds of winning are slim.

Capo, Believing in a higher power doesn't deny your self-faith. It enhances it. I have faith. I believe in God. I embrace many of His teachings. However, I don't necessarily believe in the Church, which, as you pointed out, has provoked wars, exploited its power of its simple faithful, and gotten rich at the expense of its congregations. The Church as an organization is often more about politics than about faith, and I make sure that I keep the two very separate.

As for the miracles, I do believe that they occurred. I believe that they still can. I believe that God can heal through His special messengers, be them saints or His only son, or a doctor that He blesses with extraordinary skills.

However, there is a difference between faith and blind faith. What you described in your post is, IMHO, blind faith.

As for peanut butter, I prefer Jif.

Choosey moms choose Jif.

Floozy moms choose Jif.

Hey!! Who are you calling a Floozy?!!

The last two moms who posted right above my previous post.

Don't talk that way about my friend Beth! Hey!!! Wait a minute....

Yes, but applying scientific principles and rational thought to prove or disprove the existence of that which may be divine is an exercise in futility. Science and the scientific method are products of human thought and rationale. God, if you believe, exists in a plane of reality, not confined by the limits of science. That human thought, which is limited temporally and spacially, can not completely fathom a Being that always was and always will be, does not mean that there isn't another reality, a divine reality, that exists in a plane of timelessness.

Thus the absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence.

And more importantly, Mignon is dead on correct. Peter Pan is the best peanut butter out there.

That's an excellent post, Klydon.

But faith is still a belief in the mysterious. If science attempts to demystify our universe, religion is a rejection of such demystification.

Put away your winter coat, Klydon. Your brain is fried from the heat.

To a large extent I agree. Faith implies an adherence to something unknown or perhaps unknowable.

I think science and religion are compatible. In fact, while I believe in God, I believe it is our human nature and obligation to advance scientific thought ceaselessly to - as you well stated - "demystify our universe." I celebrate scientific discovery, but just think that there are aspects of our existence that science may not be able to explain. Ithink though that that shouldn't stop science from trying to answer these questions, such as why are we all here.

Who knows? maybe as human thought evolves, we will be able to prove scientifically the existence of an Almighty Being. Then science would be religion's best friend, and we would have to be pretty darn almighty ourselves.

By the way, what are you still doing awake? Isn't it pretty late in England?

I concur with Capo, that is an excellent post. However I would like to point out that many things that were considered divine and mysterious many centuries ago have be demystified by science today. It is plausible to believe that science will uncover some more truths in future that will possibly remove the mystery out of a few more things. 20 years ago, everyone would have laughed at the idea of cloning. Today it is a reality. It is however possible that science may fail miserably in explaining somethings in all of the future. That is where your philosophy is important. We cannot analyze divinity with scientific methods, though my education biases me to do so.

One poster in an usenet forum I used to be active once said something I will always remember.

When I was a kid, my grandmother, who will turn 93 later this month, would make me peanut butter sandwiches with Planter's peanut butter. It had a unique flavor, but I don't think they make it any more.

My brain does feel fried though.

What about the miracles that occur everyday in our lives that science can't even come close to explaining?

EXAMPLE:Recently, just a weeks ago actually, I had a dream about a person who I had not talked to in MONTHS. That person called me the next day to tell me that they were thinking about me!!!

I'm not saying that science will not someday demystify the wonders of the mind, but there are occurrences that happen to us everyday that APPEAR to be the work of a higher power!

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa

If you lost interest in them, then why do you continue to play?

Da Vinci, Peanut Butter, God, Games forum.
This thread is now officially competing with random post whoring.

I bet she wants to give him a big smooch.

COME ON GUYS, EVERYONE SING ALONG.....Bogey and De Niwo, sittin' in a twee...

Who is Jif and where can I find him?