You're probably right, BUT I really don't like him now.... Seeing him "allow" the asbestos to be dumped into the waterway only added to that dislike.

Great writing. Great show!!

I think that Tony very cold-heartedly murdered Christopher, and did so to avoid being given up in exchange for drug charges. When Christopher admitted that he wouldn't pass a drug test, how would Tony know if he also could have been facing a possessions charge? If Chris had been holding, he could've been facing some serious time, and he might have made a deal to spill his guts in exchange for lesser charges or immunity on the drug charges.

However, I didn't think that Tony said, "I get it" at the end, I thought he said, "I did it," and that it was his way of confessing to Chris's murder. I think he was relieved to be rid of a potential albatross, but I think that he also felt guilt, especially after he saw Kelly nursing the baby. Just not sure.

Tony said "I get it".

I'm trying to figure out if it has any reference to the Ojibwe saying that was on the bulletin board in Tony's hospital room (after Junior shot him). Its some sort of spiritual revelation - the meaning of life (or something like that). I've never done peyote but its some sort of psychedelic that many used to take to "find themselves".

I was just shocked at how lightly Tony was taking Chris's death, especially after he was in tears talking about Chris to Melfi just a few weeks ago. However, the "I get it!" could have been Tony's embrace of his cold and ruthless self. He's been on such a long search with Melfi to make himself a BETTER person, someone not like Livia. Maybe he has decided that he LIKES being a prick.

I think the final straw was really seeing the car seat with the tree in it. The death of children has been playing a big theme lately in this season, with the episode at the lake, this one with the car seat, what could these events be foreshadowing? I never gave much thought to the people who said AJ might die this season, but now it doesn't seem too unlikely, getting mixed up in the wrong crowd and having the foreshadowing from earlier episodes.

I too had initially thought that Tony said "I did it." So I re-watched that scene several times and now see that he says "I get it." I think that SC is correct about this having to do with the bulletin board and a life and death revelation of some kind.

It definitely had something to do with when he was shot.

In an earlier scene he is staring at a round light on the ceiling, one that is similar to the light on the hospital ceiling back when he was recovering from being shot. At that moment I thought he was going to or was thinking back to when he was in the hospital recovering from the gunshot wound.

Then at the end, when the sun rises and blinks, it reminded me, and I think him, of when he was in the hospital last season and having those dreams seeing the fires, the light and the bright suns.

A revelation of some kind that bridged those life and death scenerios that he saw when he was in and out of the drug induced coma last season and what he was now seeing in his drug induced state.


Yes SC, that was Artie. When the opening credits were starting and my wife and I sat down to watch the show, I mentioned to her that we had not seen Artie at all this season. Then he appears at wake.

I think you're right SB. Maybe he's starting to believe that it's his destiny. That he's adopting a "why fight it" attitude.

It's weird, the spoiler of Tony suffocating Chris has been on http://www.thechaselounge.net for weeks, yet it's the one I found least plausible, so I didn't post it. You just never know where Chase is gonna so.

I tend to agree with SC that Tony is now at his least likeable. I wonder if that's on purpose. To make a Godfather analogy, FFC always said that after Part 1, where he was accused of making Michael a hero of sorts, he deliberately set out to destroy him. Maybe Chase has something terrible in store for Tony and he doesn't want people feeling sorry for him ? I dunno anymore.

As far as Chris, it's weird, I actually had more sympathy for him last week while he was struggling to stay sober. It was truly the best episode in many years. Maybe since the season 2 finale when Pussy got whacked. Chris' wife seemed to be a real nice old fashioned Italian girl. What was with the Jackie O look ?

3 episodes left. No matter how it ends, one thing is for sure, ther will be lots of loose ends. I agree with an earlier post that there probably won't be a movie. Tony's world is crumbling all around him. If he survives and I suspect he will, his life won't be pretty. No one will want to be Tony Soprano anymore.

I read an interview in Industry Magazine with Jamie Lynn Siegler. They asked her if there was going to be a movie. Her reply was that she really didn't know but that with David Chase anything is possible. However she did say that they've all already agreed that "IF" there was a movie, everyone from the current show would be on board to do it.

I don't think Tony killing Christopher had ANYTHING to do with the car seat. I think Tony is using that excuse to make himself feel better about what he did. Chris said he wouldn't be able to pass a drug test. That cinched it right there. If Chris is arrested, he may be tempted to flip in exchange for immunity or a lesser sentence. In Tony's mind...he had no choice. With Chris fooling around with drugs and alcohol again, Tony decided to kill him.

And he's still a bastard for doing it.

I agree, SC. For the first time...I find myself detesting Tony Soprano.

Exactly! The car seat is just another one of Tony's justifications for another one of his reprehensible acts. Don't get me wrong, as a human being, Chris was pretty low on the food chain, but in his own way he loved Tony, whether he resented him or not. I'm still shocked that Tony did it.

I always look at what peole repeat as an indication of where their mind is at. Tony mentioned the car seat several times. A justification? Tony is spiraling down. When you think about it, is he any different than in the first episode. He still murders; he has affairs; he's still angry and aggressive. One thing that I don't remember ever seeing is Tony hitting Carmela. Could something along those lines be the prelude to his denouement?

If Tony was a real life boss would he support Chris's wife and kid?

If Tony was a real life boss he would have killed Chris when it was known that Adriana was an FBI informant.

Tony has been a horible person Since day 1. I don't think anyone hated tony for killing ralph for assuming he killed Pie-O-My, but now that he killed chrissy everyone is turning agaist him. He had a better reason for killing chrissy then Ralph with the constant using he is a big strian on tonys mind.

I think it all came together at that one moment... Chris... "I will never pass a drug test" "Call me a taxi".... Tony realizes that Chris is a very weak link in Tony's empire.... Chris was useless to Tony while on drugs and he was useless to Tony while on the straight and narrow...

Also... I think it was two-pronged... Tony didnt think he was gonna make it/wanted to end his suffering as well as the "other" stuff

Totally different direction - with the possible exception of the gal that Tony dreamed about in Season 1 (the one living in next door neighbor's Cusimano's house) this new babe (with whom he did the peyote) was the hottest of the bunch.

OK, back to being bothered by Tony's actions.

EXACTLY!! I think, as a majority, that people tend to like Tony. He has been a lucky son of a bitch since day one, and for the most part, has had moral moments. I think that Chase is portraying Tony as a ruthless "lousy cold hearted bastard" so that we see that thats just what mobsters are. Personally, I think that ruins any oppertunity for a movie...

WHAT A SHOCKER OF AN EPISODE!!!! CHRISTOPHA!!! The reruns are getting so HARD TO WATCH now that Chris and Johnny Sack's gone!!

Was it just me...or did the last 10 mins of the show seem like a "filler?" Amazing episode nonetheless.

I dont know...some of the Bing girls from season 6, part 1 were pretting freakin hot...

Yeah I agree, though Sonya was very sexy, the final ten minutes were "blah". Judging by the preview next week looks like the possible start NY/NJ that we've been waiting for all these years.

i still like tony, but do agree hes headed down the shitter.

he killed chrissy out of anger for chriss weakness to stop using but also to put him out of his misery. but who is the girl chris used to know in vegas that tony was gettin high with...damn she was hott

aj looks to be getting even more depressed, the girl break-up, than a ray of light, than right back down after that bronx tale reference and if i were to say him or meadow to go, aj wont make to the end

im still wondering if anything will come of meadows "mystery date" from the last episode

juliana and artie finally made an appearance

definetly ready for this ny/nj war and to see what surprises chase still has in store


...and paulie is still pissed at everyone,dont think he'll make it to much longer

Chase has always maintained, and justifiably so, that THE SOPRANOS is more GOODFELLAS than it is GODFATHER.

I'm just wondering if the final act of THE SOPRANOS will echo "the fall of a mobster" as it did in CASINO and GOODFELLAS. You know, some mobsters were jailed, some were killed, some cooperated, yet virtually none escaped the life unscathed.

At one time or another most of us have paralleled to THE SOPRANOS to Shakespeare. How often did Shakespeare give us a happy ending ?

Well I see Silvio,Bobby, and AJ all getting killed. Carm leaving Tony, Tony goes to jail. I can't see Paulie dying, don't know why. It will be a tragic ending by my guess, and not something we'll all be happy to talk about.

I don't know...I'm beginning to wonder if the NJ/NY war will even occur. Granted, it is beginning to look more like a possibility...then again it has for a looooong time. And theres only 3 episodes left. Maybe Phil will see NJ for the weak and crumbling pathetic group of people it is and decide to let them fall apart on their own.

Then again I guess 3 episodes = about 3 hours, which is plenty of time to tell a nice long story that could possibly include a war...

Tony using drugs - he never did that before, right? I take that a s a sign that he is escaping, seeking a way out, or maybe he just doesn't care anymore.

In the episode where Ralph gets killed, Tony admits to Chris that he used drugs as a kid, but controlled it and never got addicted.

Yeah, I could TOTALLY see that. In the short dream sequence last night, when Tony starts spewing to Melfi that he actually did kill people -- and named them -- I instantly flashed back to last week's scene when Christopher drills J.T. after he tells him too much.

Tony has always been euphemistic about talking about murders to Melfi, never actually comes out and specifically says he has been involved in murders.

He knows Melfi is supposedly bound by doctor-patient confidentiality to keep their discussions secret, but she already hedged on that a couple seasons ago when she herself went to a therapist, and if Tony were to spew out details on murders, there is no way she would keep quiet.

Just like Chris and J.T., he would decide that Melfi has to go. The whole show, really, has been built around the Tony-Melfi sessions, and the asssumption that a) Tony won't reveal the true extent of his criminal activities to her, and b) she couldn't reveal them if he did.

In the end, I think both presumptions go out the window.

Tony has done drugs on several occasions, including snorting coke with Adriana.

I can't get this episode out of my head. Seeing Tony on the casino floor was really shocking to me for some reason. I realize he was on drugs, but talk about out of character. I can't help but think it may very well end with Tony losing absolutely everything through his own carelessness.

I'm curious as far as next week's episode, if Tony regrets or shows any late remorse for not only killing Christopher but for his drug experience and just his whole demeanor. If not, he's going down.


TIS

This whole season has been about the downfall of Tony and making him seem worse than ever before it seems like.

I know predictions aren't worth anything when it comes to the Sopranos, but if Paulie makes it through the finale without getting whacked, I'll be very surprised. He's not as funny anymore as much as just plain nuts.


TIS