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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: Irishman12]
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05/28/07 11:37 AM
05/28/07 11:37 AM
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Do not even look at the wild card standings now. The wild card race doesn't even start until August. True. I know it's still early but it looks like the AL East is lost for them this year. But the wild card is going to be just as hard with the Indians, White Sox, Tigers, A's, etc all gunning for that spot. As of today, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Yankees miss the playoffs. Even when they get Clemens and IF they make a splash at the trade deadline, they have a lot of fixing to do. I don't even think they need to make a big trade this summer. They have the pieces, they just can't put them together. Plus it doesn't help when they have 11 or 12 different starting pitchers and we're not even in the month of June yet. The division will be tough to win, and may require a collapse from the Red Sox. The season is still early, and while Torre's Yankees have never been in this position before, they can still trim the Sox lead with enough time to make a run for it. The deceptive thing about the Wild Card is that while it sometimes look as though you're right there 5 or 6 games out, there are so many other teams with you that you can't seem to break free from the pack. It might be a little more pronounced in the NL with the 2 extra teams. I caught the last couple of batters in the Yankee game yesterday, and had to stop what I was doing to watch the 2-out battle between Jeter and Francisco Rodriguez, which reminded me why I'm a baseball fan. With the winning run on third, it was quite a confrontation between two exceptional talents.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: Double-J]
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05/29/07 09:03 AM
05/29/07 09:03 AM
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Don Cardi
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After watching last nights postgame, I think it's time for Joe to go. Please switch Joes. Girardi for Torre. Thank you. 12 seasons as Yankee Manager : 97-65 record in 2006 ( best record in the American League). NINE consecutive American League East division titles. The first manager to guide the Yankees to 11-straight postseason appearances. Won 4 WS championships in those 11 years. Under Torre the Yankees won 90 or more games 10 out of 11-years! 1,079 Wins - 699 Losses as Yankee manager. 
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: Don Cardi]
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05/29/07 09:20 AM
05/29/07 09:20 AM
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After watching last nights postgame, I think it's time for Joe to go. Please switch Joes. Girardi for Torre. Thank you. 12 seasons as Yankee Manager : 97-65 record in 2006 ( best record in the American League). NINE consecutive American League East division titles. The first manager to guide the Yankees to 11-straight postseason appearances. Won 4 WS championships in those 11 years. Under Torre the Yankees won 90 or more games 10 out of 11-years! 1,079 Wins - 699 Losses as Yankee manager. What have you done for me lately, chief? The sad fact is that this team plays with no emotions, and has looked awful since last year's ALDS. Now, pitching injuries earlier this year made things seem bad, but now its the nonexistent offense. The pitching is fine, especially after Clemens comes in. I don't care how many World Series' rings Joe has. His team looks like shit this year, and it can't all be blamed on injury. Part of it is Cashman's fault - a horrible bench, and a bullpen full of underachievers. But this team needs one last Steinbrenner-ballistic-missile. Firings. Nuclear war. Even if it doesn't get is into the playoffs, it gives whatever regime will be instituted a head start for next year (hopefully Girardi).
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: klydon1]
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05/29/07 12:52 PM
05/29/07 12:52 PM
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Well, they did bring Clemens back...maybe if they get rid of Torre and/or Cashman, Bernie will be back? My biggest problem with getting rid of Cashman is that I don't want the Tampa group to come back in power with an "I told you so" from George, and we end up signing the biggest priced vets we can find. I can see it now... Trade Phil Hughes for Ken Griffey... 
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: Double-J]
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05/29/07 01:50 PM
05/29/07 01:50 PM
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Well, they did bring Clemens back...maybe if they get rid of Torre and/or Cashman, Bernie will be back? My biggest problem with getting rid of Cashman is that I don't want the Tampa group to come back in power with an "I told you so" from George, and we end up signing the biggest priced vets we can find. I can see it now... Trade Phil Hughes for Ken Griffey... With Torre and Cashman, is it possible that Steinbrenner cans one or the other, but not both? I think if one goes, they both go.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: Double-J]
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05/29/07 03:27 PM
05/29/07 03:27 PM
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Well, they did bring Clemens back...maybe if they get rid of Torre and/or Cashman, Bernie will be back? My biggest problem with getting rid of Cashman is that I don't want the Tampa group to come back in power with an "I told you so" from George, and we end up signing the biggest priced vets we can find. I can see it now... Trade Phil Hughes for Ken Griffey... I've been hearing the Yanks are going to be first in line to trade for Mark Texiara around the All-Star break. Personally, the number one guy I want to see in pinstripes is Johan Santana 
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: Irishman12]
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05/29/07 10:45 PM
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Well, they did bring Clemens back...maybe if they get rid of Torre and/or Cashman, Bernie will be back? My biggest problem with getting rid of Cashman is that I don't want the Tampa group to come back in power with an "I told you so" from George, and we end up signing the biggest priced vets we can find. I can see it now... Trade Phil Hughes for Ken Griffey... I've been hearing the Yanks are going to be first in line to trade for Mark Texiara around the All-Star break. Personally, the number one guy I want to see in pinstripes is Johan Santana Those guys would probably prefer to play for a contender.  Actually, I think part of the Yankees' problem is chasing all-star names for exorbitant prices, and not getting value for them. Sure, there's a lot of initial excitement when you bring in names like Giambi, A-Rod, Sheffield, Abreu, Randy Johnson, but I think the Yankees overvalue these guys. They become albatrosses and set them back. Their focus should be on building from within.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: Irishman12]
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05/30/07 03:23 AM
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They should get rid of pieces of shit like Abreu.. send him back to the Phillies... that'd be a good start. 
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey!  lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: J Geoff]
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05/30/07 10:26 AM
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They should get rid of pieces of shit like Abreu.. send him back to the Phillies... that'd be a good start. We won't take him back. His contract was choking the team to death, and the Phillies were getting little production from him. Shane Victorino isn't going to any all-star games, but he's faster, a better defensive player, and hitting well. Amazingly, in a few years Abreu has gone from one of the most underrated plsyers to the most overrated. After setting a record in the homerun derby in 2005, he hasn't even remotely hit for power. Some point to a classic moment 2 years ago as the start of his downfall. He was engaged to a beauty queen, and shortly before the wedding he discovered nude photos of her on a pornographic web site, which made him cancel the wedding. Maybe A-Rod can introduce him to some blondes, in order to get his mind off his troubles. 
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: klydon1]
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05/30/07 10:47 AM
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Geoff, take heart (as I do) in knowing that Abreu's contract is up after this year (I doubt after his performance he'll be re-upped for '08) and that the Yankees will be going after Ichiro and Torii Hunter.  Much in the same way they will be going after Teixeira after '08, although given how poorly Giambi has played/injuries, it may be sooner rather than later, before he even hits the FA market. The Yankees need to get younger, and less injury prone, in a hurry. Granted, Ichiro isn't a spring chicken, but he's a phenom. Teixeira would solidify the right side for the first time since Mattingly. If Cano can come around, and we keep A-Rod and Jeet, the team looks a lot better. Also, maybe if they dump Giambi and move Damon or Matsui to the DH, they could pick up another above average outfielder. Hunter is too injury prone, methinks, but Andruw Jones will be an FA. Maybe having George control means the free spending will be back...an outfield with Matsui, Jones, and Ichiro would be amazing! Then again, that won't be a very young outfield, but still...
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: Just Lou]
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05/30/07 11:13 AM
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Maybe having George control means the free spending will be back...
"be back"??? When did it ever stop. Don't tell me that 2007 Steinbrenner is the same as, say, ten years ago even. Torre would have been gone the day after last years ALDS. Furthermore, the "free spending" had been quelled (relatively, until the Abreu acquisition), since last season. Though that's largely due to the fact that there were already so many bloated contracts, it was impossible to maneuver. This offseason, instead of going after someone like Lilly, they went the "cheaper" (i.e. worse) route and avoided the luxury tax by signing Igawa with the posting fees not counting towards the tax. They got Doug Mienkeiwicz instead of Richie Sexson. I'm just hoping he's still competent enough to either a.) play an active and meaningful role, instead of just issuing statements or b.) if not, turn it over to Hank. BTW - I was just checking - if Cashman goes...Gene Michael is still VP and Senior-Advisor of Scouting. Who wouldn't like to see "The Stick" back as GM? After all, he did bring Mo, Jeet, Posada, etc...
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: Double-J]
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05/30/07 11:48 AM
05/30/07 11:48 AM
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Maybe having George control means the free spending will be back...
"be back"??? When did it ever stop. Don't tell me that 2007 Steinbrenner is the same as, say, ten years ago even. Torre would have been gone the day after last years ALDS. Furthermore, the "free spending" had been quelled (relatively, until the Abreu acquisition), since last season. Though that's largely due to the fact that there were already so many bloated contracts, it was impossible to maneuver. This offseason, instead of going after someone like Lilly, they went the "cheaper" (i.e. worse) route and avoided the luxury tax by signing Igawa with the posting fees not counting towards the tax. They got Doug Mienkeiwicz instead of Richie Sexson. I think you're forgetting about the Roger Clemens contract. The only thing more laughable about the deal itself, is Roger stating he chose the Yankees because he wanted to win a championship. I wonder what he's thinking now, since the Yankees have fallen 9 more games out of first place since he signed.
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