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Re: Made In America- Final Episode SPOILER MATERIAL
[Re: Beth E]
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Honestly, I'm one of the people who felt it was a complete and utter copout ending. I believe Chase did it to leave himself a backdoor in the future if he ever needs money.
I don't find anything brilliant about shutting it off before we find out what happened to Tony. If I wanted to have to imagine up an ending, I'd have turned off the TV myself before the final scene. I watch the show to see someone else's imagination at work, not my own.
I discount the theory that Tony got killed because there's no indication that he got killed. There was no gunshot which despite what Tony and Bobby may have said, there would've been. And the people in the diner had no reason to want to kill Tony. Phil was dead, he constructed a peace with NY, there was no one left to kill him.
I don't believe we saw Tony get clipped through his own eyes. The last image we saw was of Tony himself, so how could we be seeing it through Tony's eyes if he's the last thing we saw?
Again, I felt it was a ripoff ending. It's a shame such a good show had to leave such a bad taste in the mouth of a lot of fans.
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Re: Made In America- Final Episode SPOILER MATERIAL
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Oh I don't disagree that it was brilliant in that sense, I disagree that it was a brilliant ending in the sense of ending a series. People are raising their arms arms up to Holy Chase and acting as if this is some beautiful ending which I just don't buy.
From a salesman and publicity sense this was pure genuis.
"Fredo -- you're my older brother, and I love you. But don't ever take sides with anyone against the Family again. Ever."
"My father taught me many things ... keep your friends close, but your enemies closer."
"I know it was you, Fredo. You broke my heart. You broke my heart."
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Re: Made In America- Final Episode SPOILER MATERIAL
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I thought the finale was great.
I thought the ending was awful. Did you like the ending itself?
"Fredo -- you're my older brother, and I love you. But don't ever take sides with anyone against the Family again. Ever."
"My father taught me many things ... keep your friends close, but your enemies closer."
"I know it was you, Fredo. You broke my heart. You broke my heart."
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Re: Made In America- Final Episode SPOILER MATERIAL
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Actually I really loved the ending.
Initially, when it went black, I was like " What the f**k."
But then when I sat back and thought about the way that it ended, I felt that it was a really good ending.
Throughout the entire run of this series, I've always re-watched the episodes. And I've always found that when watching them a second time, I've picked up various things that I did not pick up on the first veiwing. And most of the times the things that I picked up on the second veiwing shed new meaning to the episode and made me realize that the episode was actually better than I had initially thought.
I've probably watched the ending to this finale a half a dozen times already. And each time I watch it, I like it even more than the last.
It's a pretty deep show writing wise with a lot of hidden inuendos and undertones. And many times that second veiwing makes you see those hidden inuendos for what they really mean to the show.
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Re: Made In America- Final Episode SPOILER MATERIAL
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Maybe it was Pussy.
But back to the ending, what made it all that great for you? I was personally annoyed by how the ending left Tony's fate up in the air, is that the part you liked? IMO I go to watch a show to see someone else's imagination at work, I don't want to have to use my own. If I wanted that, I wouldnt've paid the price of admission.
"Fredo -- you're my older brother, and I love you. But don't ever take sides with anyone against the Family again. Ever."
"My father taught me many things ... keep your friends close, but your enemies closer."
"I know it was you, Fredo. You broke my heart. You broke my heart."
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Re: Made In America- Final Episode SPOILER MATERIA
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In this article in the New York post it outlines the rest of the final scene that was supposedly shot. In another article somewhere it indicated James Gandolfini did not like the ending. http://www.nypost.com/seven/06122007/new...urray_weiss.htm
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Re: Made In America- Final Episode SPOILER MATERIAL
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Maybe it was Pussy.
But back to the ending, what made it all that great for you? I was personally annoyed by how the ending left Tony's fate up in the air, is that the part you liked? IMO I go to watch a show to see someone else's imagination at work, I don't want to have to use my own. If I wanted that, I wouldnt've paid the price of admission. I like good writing that provokes deep thought and provokes the use of one's imagination. I love movies that have deep meaning, or twisted plots. Well I can see how it provokes use of your imagination, but how does it really provoke thought? No matter what your theory is on what happened to Tony, it's wrong because at the end nothing happened to Tony. That's really the problem with that type of ending, it's one giant cliffhanger.
"Fredo -- you're my older brother, and I love you. But don't ever take sides with anyone against the Family again. Ever."
"My father taught me many things ... keep your friends close, but your enemies closer."
"I know it was you, Fredo. You broke my heart. You broke my heart."
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Re: Made In America- Final Episode SPOILER MATERIA
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I can't seem to find, in that article, where it talks about alternate endings.
Matt Servitto, who played FBI Special Agent Harris, said Chase briefly kept the camera rolling after what amounted to Tony's final moment on screen - and that the extra footage appeared to clearly spell the end for the supreme Soprano. "[Tony's daughter] Meadow got into the diner, sat down . . . The menacing 'Members Only' jacket-wearing man at the counter was a little bit more in play, and I think she's sitting there with the family kind of all together . . . and all of a sudden, the menacing man gets up, starts walking toward their booth. End of show," Servitto said. "The scene cut as the [menacing] guy was advancing toward [Tony], as if he was about to shoot Tony. It was, I think, less ambiguous that Tony was going to get shot."
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Re: Made In America- Final Episode SPOILER MATERIA
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I can't seem to find, in that article, where it talks about alternate endings.
Matt Servitto, who played FBI Special Agent Harris, said Chase briefly kept the camera rolling after what amounted to Tony's final moment on screen - and that the extra footage appeared to clearly spell the end for the supreme Soprano. "[Tony's daughter] Meadow got into the diner, sat down . . . The menacing 'Members Only' jacket-wearing man at the counter was a little bit more in play, and I think she's sitting there with the family kind of all together . . . and all of a sudden, the menacing man gets up, starts walking toward their booth. End of show," Servitto said. "The scene cut as the [menacing] guy was advancing toward [Tony], as if he was about to shoot Tony. It was, I think, less ambiguous that Tony was going to get shot." Thank you Beth.
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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