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Best and Worst Remakes
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06/12/07 01:55 PM
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Ronnie started an interesting post about sh***y sequels. Let's do the same with remakes. What are some of the better and some of the worst ever made? I'll open up with last years Best Picture winner, THE DEPARTED, as one of the better remakes of all time. Worst? I'll start with PSYCHO (1998). It's not so much that Vince Vaughn as Norman Bates didn't fly with me, he was actually kind of spooky. I just thought a shot for shot remake was kind of cheap and lazy on the director's part. At least Tim Burton would have "re-imagined" it. 
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Re: Best and Worst Remakes
[Re: DE NIRO]
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I don't really consider that to be a remake. It's like saying Time Burton's Batman was a remake of the 1966 or 67 (It's been a while, can't remember exact dates anymore) Batman, staring Adam West. Superhero movies just sort of live on a plane of inconsistency, repetitively re-inventing themselves. As for poor remakes, there seems to be a slew of them as of late, most notably in the Horror department. I don't think the genre has really progressed much since the 70s. It's stuck in a mode of remakes and sequels where the primary agenda seems to be to scare horny teenagers with big kitchen knives. I'll try and list a few really bad ones when I can recall them, though.
"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: Best and Worst Remakes
[Re: DE NIRO]
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fast forward 10 years and the worst remake will be The Godfather i can see it coming,just watch You sound like the crazy old guy who sits on his stoop all day and keeps a pocket knife at his side in case some kid's kickball comes flying his way. "What's this world a'commin' to!?"
"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: Best and Worst Remakes
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06/12/07 04:21 PM
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The KING KONG remake sucked balls.
I watched the original 1933 film again on TCM the other day, and you know what? Its economical, its fun, its full of adventure, and hey a monster eating people and fighting dinosaurs. It knows what it is.
Its not like Peter Jackson's 3 hour(!!!) movie that tries to turn a great popcorn adventure tale into this epic-ass, LORD OF THE RINGS-size scale that tries to humanize Kong WAY...WAY...WAY...too much!
Worse, its about as much fun as painting your house. When your "fun" movie makes you want the characters be smashed or thrown around by the big ape, its annoying.
Better yet, the only fully-realized sequence of that remake was the finale at the ESB. Its like Jackson couldn't dish out a story worth 90 minutes, much less 3 FUCKING hours, but he had visualized that action climax in his skull for his whole life.
There's a problem in all of this.
A good remake too was CAPE FEAR. It knows what it is. Its not like Scorsese tried to make a serious(!) Oscar film out of it.
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Re: Best and Worst Remakes
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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06/12/07 06:11 PM
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The KING KONG remake sucked balls.
I watched the original 1933 film again on TCM the other day, and you know what? Its economical, its fun, its full of adventure, and hey a monster eating people and fighting dinosaurs. It knows what it is.
Its not like Peter Jackson's 3 hour(!!!) movie that tries to turn a great popcorn adventure tale into this epic-ass, LORD OF THE RINGS-size scale that tries to humanize Kong WAY...WAY...WAY...too much!
Worse, its about as much fun as painting your house. When your "fun" movie makes you want the characters be smashed or thrown around by the big ape, its annoying.
Better yet, the only fully-realized sequence of that remake was the finale at the ESB. Its like Jackson couldn't dish out a story worth 90 minutes, much less 3 FUCKING hours, but he had visualized that action climax in his skull for his whole life.
There's a problem in all of this.
A good remake too was CAPE FEAR. It knows what it is. Its not like Scorsese tried to make a serious(!) Oscar film out of it. I haven't seen the original, but I thoroughly enjoyed the remake. Not so much for the story or acting, but for its amazing special effects/CGI. The dinosaurs in this movie made jurassic park look amateurish.
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Re: Best and Worst Remakes
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06/13/07 08:34 AM
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Do we judge remakes by how much they improve upon the original, or as single, stand-alone films? I think a lot of negativity stems unnecessarily from the caution with which we approach remakes. It's even worse with covers in music.
So, in that respect, must we see the original in order to appreciate or even judge the newer model?
I'd vouch for The Departed and Cape Fear without denting the originals - though the original Cape Fear is very tame, anyway, and if it hadn't already been remade, it was a due a reinvention.
I've not seen James Toback's Fingers (with Harvey Keitel), but Jacques Audiard's The Beat That My Heart Skipped was a great, engaging film. Check it out, people!
My two favourite remakes of all time, for the way in which they engage with the original, acknowledging both their debt and the "schema plus variation" nature of filmmaking, are Peter Jackson's King Kong, and the Bamforth Company's 1900 film The Biter Bit, which is a remake of the Lumière brothers' L'arroseur arrosé. Talk about sophisticated self-reflexivity and development of structure!
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I couldn't agree with you more. The special effects in that film put most to shame. The original is still great and I've come around after a couple of viewings, which is why I didn't put either on this list. I love them both.
