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Re: Made In America- Final Episode SPOILER MATERIA
[Re: Beth E]
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06/14/07 09:01 PM
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I don't think this link has been posted yet. Here's some actors speaking about the ending after the showing. It's nice to know some people still wonder what happened to the Russian.  Boy, Patsy Parisi looks different in real life. http://youtube.com/watch?v=0iPbrqBrwJQ&mode=related&search=
Last edited by Beth E; 06/14/07 09:04 PM.
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Re: Made In America- Final Episode SPOILER MATERIA
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06/14/07 09:41 PM
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So, what constitutes a real mob boss? Phil? He involved his family in a war that even his underboss and consigliere tried to end by making a concession to Tony. Then Phil gets himself murdered while Tony lives on.
Johnny Sack a real mob boss? He breaks tradition by elocuting in court tot he existence of the Mafia and gets himself sent to prison. Tony is not in prison.
Again, what's a real mob boss? Seriously though, olivant. Tony was NOT an unconscionable, murdering bastard (like RALPHIE) and would never, never, never cut it as a mob boss. That's why we kind of "like" him, am I right? Oh, for sure. I was especially impressed with his being "conscionable" when he suffocated his helpless nephew and when he gave the okay to Ralphie to murder his daughter's boyfriend. But he's not like Ralphie.
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Re: Made In America- Final Episode SPOILER MATERIA
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06/14/07 11:15 PM
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Oh, for sure. I was especially impressed with his being "conscionable" when he suffocated his helpless nephew and when he gave the okay to Ralphie to murder his daughter's boyfriend. But he's not like Ralphie. well, if you want to stay consistent and call the mafia 'a business' then isnt what tony did consistent with the 'it was only business and not personal' mantra. christopher was about to flip from what tony could see, and jackie jr. had to go because he had shot one of tony's guys, and if tony hadnt ok'd the hit on jackie jr.....then tony woulda likely faced some sort of revolt or possibly being hit himself. it was business not personal.
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Re: Made In America- Final Episode SPOILER MATERIA
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06/15/07 02:47 AM
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Boy, Patsy Parisi looks different in real life.
You're right. He really does. I don't know - he pretty much looked like Patsy to me when I got my pic taken with him (and the rest)... but, of course, I was paying pretty much all my attention to Mr. Paulie at the time, so... I didn't even tell Benny how much I loved him on Doogie Howser! 
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Re: Made In America- Final Episode SPOILER MATERIA
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06/15/07 03:34 AM
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Oh, for sure. I was especially impressed with his being "conscionable" when he suffocated his helpless nephew and when he gave the okay to Ralphie to murder his daughter's boyfriend. But he's not like Ralphie. well, if you want to stay consistent and call the mafia 'a business' then isnt what tony did consistent with the 'it was only business and not personal' mantra. christopher was about to flip from what tony could see, and jackie jr. had to go because he had shot one of tony's guys, and if tony hadnt ok'd the hit on jackie jr.....then tony woulda likely faced some sort of revolt or possibly being hit himself. it was business not personal. I'm pretty sure that Tony did NOT ok the hit on Jackie Jr. Chrissy wanted to kill him the very night of the card game fiasco but Tony wouldn't let it happen. He gave Ralphie the "choice," but was hoping the boy would be spared. Tony told Ralphie... you're a captain, he's in your household, I know you'll do the right thing. Tony didn't have the GUTS to do it but ol' Ralphie had no problem with it. As for Tony's strangling of Chris, I think it's safe to say that we are just now beginning to scratch the surface concerning Tony's logic on that one.
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Re: Made In America- Final Episode SPOILER MATERIA
[Re: Ice]
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06/15/07 08:04 AM
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I'm pretty sure that Tony did NOT ok the hit on Jackie Jr. . He gave Ralphie the "choice," but was hoping the boy would be spared.
Well what he really did was pass the burden over to Ralphie. He did that to remove any self guilt that he would have incurred had he directly ordered the hit on Jackie Jr. I don't know that he was hoping that the kid would be spared. From what I remember from that episode, he basically told Ralphie, without telling Ralphie, that because he was a captain then he would have to act like one and be responsible for what took place. A part of me feels that Tony was telling Ralphie that if he didn't make the right decision himself, then Tony would hold him personally responsible for what took place. He really did not give Ralphie a choice although he made it appear as if he did.  In other words he justified it within himself, cleared his own conscience, by passing this burden on to Ralphie. Now if something now happened to Jackie, he wouldn't have to feel guilty about it because he himself was no longer responsible. Tony had a smooth way of ridding himself from making those kinds of decisions and putting the burden and responsibility on others. It all had to do with his inner psychological battle. Let's not forget that the whole premise of this show was to show us a mob boss who had somewhat of a subconscience and needed to deal with his inner battles through therapy.
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Re: Made In America- Final Episode SPOILER MATERIA
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06/15/07 10:07 AM
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I think Tony ordered the hit without really saying the words. As DC said, to let himself off the hook psychologically. If Ralphie gave Jackie a pass, Tony would have given him shit about it. You can bet on that.
Richie? God, what a scumbag! I forgot just how hateable he was. David Proval, who is one of the sweetest guys you'll ever meet, did an outstanding job with the character.
I think Richie lacked any diplomacy whatsoever, which would have made him a lousy boss. He was an animal, an essential characteristic for a street guy, but not really cut out for more than that.
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Re: Made In America- Final Episode SPOILER MATERIA
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06/15/07 10:29 AM
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Richie? God, what a scumbag! I forgot just how hateable he was. David Proval, who is one of the sweetest guys you'll ever meet, did an outstanding job with the character.
I think Richie lacked any diplomacy whatsoever, which would have made him a lousy boss. He was an animal, an essential characteristic for a street guy, but not really cut out for more than that.
Yes, Proval did a magnificent job palying Richie. He made you love to despise him. I think that the Richie Aprile character came out of jail a bitter man. And he became even more bitter when he realized that no one in the Soprano Family, especially the younger wiseguys, was about to do flips and cartwheels for him upon his coming back on the scene. What he probably envisioned while awaiting his release from jail about how things would be turned out totally different for him. And that's what probably made him the bitter son of a bitch that he was. Phil's attitude was in a way, almost identical to Richie's in the sense that he felt that he did his time on behalf of that thing of theirs and kept his mouth shut. And then upon his release saw that the younger guys, the newer generation of wiseguys were not of the same mindset as the older wiseguys when it came to giving tribute and respect to a fellow mobster who served time in the joint. They both saw that the younger wiseguys really didn't give a shit that the older founders had done their time.
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: Made In America- Final Episode SPOILER MATERIA
[Re: Ice]
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06/15/07 12:27 PM
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Oh, for sure. I was especially impressed with his being "conscionable" when he suffocated his helpless nephew and when he gave the okay to Ralphie to murder his daughter's boyfriend. But he's not like Ralphie. well, if you want to stay consistent and call the mafia 'a business' then isnt what tony did consistent with the 'it was only business and not personal' mantra. christopher was about to flip from what tony could see, and jackie jr. had to go because he had shot one of tony's guys, and if tony hadnt ok'd the hit on jackie jr.....then tony woulda likely faced some sort of revolt or possibly being hit himself. it was business not personal. I'm pretty sure that Tony did NOT ok the hit on Jackie Jr. Chrissy wanted to kill him the very night of the card game fiasco but Tony wouldn't let it happen. He gave Ralphie the "choice," but was hoping the boy would be spared. Tony told Ralphie... you're a captain, he's in your household, I know you'll do the right thing. Tony didn't have the GUTS to do it but ol' Ralphie had no problem with it. Tony made it very clear that if Ralphie did not kill Jackie Jr. that Ralphie would be responsible and lose any respect he had from anyone and possibly get whacked himself. As DC said he was taking the psychological burden off of himself and putting it on someone else.
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Re: Made In America- Final Episode SPOILER MATERIA
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All you ever needed to know about The Sopranos. A 7 minute clip of the first 6A seasons. Think of all the money you'll save on the DVD's. http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tz_Ees_-kE4
Last edited by Beth E; 06/15/07 04:30 PM.
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Re: Made In America- Final Episode SPOILER MATERIA
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Gandolfini says he has no idea how show ended.
Sopranos' Star: `No Idea' About Ending By Associated Press
Fri Jun 15, 5:12 AM
NEW YORK - Viewers weren't the only ones who didn't know what to make of the boldly ambiguous ending of "The Sopranos". Some of the stars didn't either.
James Gandolfini told the Daily News in Friday's edition that he had "no idea" what to think was to happen to his character, the emotionally tortured mob boss and suburban dad Tony Soprano, after the hit series' final episode closed Sunday with an abrupt cut to a blank screen.
"You have to ask ("The Sopranos" creator) David Chase that. Smarter minds than mine know the answer to that," Gandolfini said. "I thought it was a great ending. You decide."
The screen went black and silent as Gandolfini's character and his family sat down to dinner, leaving fans guessing and some complaining about the ending's meaning or lack thereof.
Some have suggested that the movements of a man in the background portended a "Godfather"-style shooting. Others surmised that the show, which delved deeply into the domestic life of its mobster protagonist, was simply ending on an everyday note. Chase has declined to explain.
Several of Gandolfini's cast mates echoed his praise for the show's open-ended conclusion.
"A conventional ending would have been a fraud," Steven Van Zandt, who played Silvio, told the Daily News.
"Life doesn't have tidy little endings," said Van Zandt, a member of rocker Bruce Springsteen's E Street Band. "Even some great songs just fade out like the last episode of 'The Sopranos.'"
How about a little less questions and a lot more shut the hell up - Brian Griffin
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Re: Made In America- Final Episode SPOILER MATERIA
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06/15/07 07:00 PM
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Oh, for sure. I was especially impressed with his being "conscionable" when he suffocated his helpless nephew and when he gave the okay to Ralphie to murder his daughter's boyfriend. But he's not like Ralphie. well, if you want to stay consistent and call the mafia 'a business' then isnt what tony did consistent with the 'it was only business and not personal' mantra. christopher was about to flip from what tony could see, and jackie jr. had to go because he had shot one of tony's guys, and if tony hadnt ok'd the hit on jackie jr.....then tony woulda likely faced some sort of revolt or possibly being hit himself. it was business not personal. I'm pretty sure that Tony did NOT ok the hit on Jackie Jr. Chrissy wanted to kill him the very night of the card game fiasco but Tony wouldn't let it happen. He gave Ralphie the "choice," but was hoping the boy would be spared. Tony told Ralphie... you're a captain, he's in your household, I know you'll do the right thing. Tony didn't have the GUTS to do it but ol' Ralphie had no problem with it. Tony made it very clear that if Ralphie did not kill Jackie Jr. that Ralphie would be responsible and lose any respect he had from anyone and possibly get whacked himself. As DC said he was taking the psychological burden off of himself and putting it on someone else. So...Tony is not the lousy, cold-hearted, killing, bastard that Ralphie is. Tony wouldn't kill his best friend's son but Ralphie had NO problems doing it. The fact that Jackie was Ralphie's "step-son" of sorts, did not deter him from doing him in. Nor did the fact that Jackie resided under his very roof. Chase makes it quite clear that Tony and Ralphie differ in their views on life/death. Ralphie maliciously kills an innocent horse - to the absolute DISMAY of Tony - and Tony kills him for his crime. He punishes Ralphie for his "un-holy" views towards life/death. Tony does NOT equal Ralphie.
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