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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: pizzaboy]
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07/02/07 11:49 AM
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I'd like to see anyone else win their division with the likes of Al Leiter, Shawn Chacon and Aaron Small, plus key players like Sheffield, Mussina, Wang and Matsui out with injuries, and yet Torre did it. Everyone was crying for the Red Sox when they lost Varitek last year, saying that's why they lost the division, yet calling for Joe's head because he couldn't get the team to the Series. Ridiculous! The Yankees are a mess right now, and it shows. But to blame Torre is just absurd. He's done unimaginable things with this team over the years, but it looks like his bag of miracles is used up.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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07/02/07 12:10 PM
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To be fair, I think Joe Torre is an amazing manager, and deserves the eventual hall of fame nod he'll receive once he has retired.
But there have been plenty of occasions where I've had to scratch my head - keeping Mariano Rivera on the bench in the 8th when he claimed he was worried he'd been overworked, yet Rivera hadn't pitched in nearly a week (and his overall amount of duty this year has been comparably small to his previous seasons). His batting order/benching/non-benching of players is pretty drab and non-effectual. He hasn't been able to work with and motivate some players (Abreu, Cano, etc.) and has been too fond of going with "favorites" over the past few years (see Sturtze/Quantrill, last year Villone/Proctor, now again) by refusing to bring up performing minor league talent for the bullpen and the batting order. They've had to give starters a try, because of injury. But as I've posted before, we have a handful of players who are excelling at Triple-A, and we keep guys like Abreu in the lineup rather than benching them until they wake the fuck up.
I like Torre a lot, but after this season, I would not be against a wholesale change if someone like Girardi (or gasp, Bobby Valentine?) would come into the managers role.
And again, to be fair, he is dealing with a situation that was created by both a lack of forethought on the part of the front office and bad luck (signing Sheffield over Guerrerro a few years ago, Damon over Beltran, in general not moving the team in a youthful direction). I love what Cashman has done with the minor leagues - building up a nice set of prospects - but at the same time, the team has finally jumped the shark.
Klydon is right - a lot of ground can be made up in half a season. A-Rod, Jeter, and Posada need to keep playing like the all-stars they are. Matsui needs to find his swing, which he's been looking for since his injury last year. Abreu needs to find himself, wherever he is. Last I heard he was lurking somewhere back in mid-May. Cano needs to have someone teach him plate discipline (where is Kevin Long?). Damon needs to go on the DL. Melky needs to step up. Mienkeiwicz needs to return. Trades need to be made.
It could be a long, depressing summer. Or one that makes for must-see TV. We'll see...
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: Don Andrew]
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07/03/07 03:29 AM
07/03/07 03:29 AM
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Uh-Oh!! ARod's hurt??? Geez, just when they're actually winning a game??? Bite your tongue -- he's on my team!!  Wow, Clemens brought it last night. 2 hits, 1 run in 8 innings? That's why they're paying the man. And how'd he do before tonite, for how much money again? 
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey!  lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: pizzaboy]
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07/03/07 05:40 PM
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I think Abreu has mental problems. He reminds me of Armando Benitez, all the talent in the world EXCEPT he can't handle pressure. Small, minor detail, Bobby. Yeah, I think I mentioned this earlier as well. Both guys have some great skills, but unfortunately, both have mental issues which manifest, conveniently enough, during their tenure(s) as Yankees.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: pizzaboy]
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07/03/07 09:54 PM
07/03/07 09:54 PM
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I think Abreu has mental problems. He reminds me of Armando Benitez, all the talent in the world EXCEPT he can't handle pressure. Small, minor detail, Bobby.
If it weren't for A-Rod the Yanks would be 20 games out right now instead of 11.
Not that it matters, this season is on the verge of being over. Abreu has no problem at all with pressure. His career has been one of complacency. Winning was never paramount to him. Before you can feel pressure, you have to give a damn, and I never got the impression from his years in Philly that it mattered whether the team won or lost. One thing about him that you may not know: In his second last season with the Phils, he was engaged to a gorgeous model. He was about 2 weeks from his wedding when he discovered that she was all over hard core internet porn sites. The wedding was off and so was his swing.
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