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Re: Tom Hagen As The Don
[Re: Turnbull]
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09/18/07 12:23 PM
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There are any number of conflicts within the criminal underworld. If they were all resolved by violence, there would not be any criminal underworld. Most are resolved through negotiation. Tom was made for negotiation. However, his murder credentials are quite in evidence. He was in on everything that Vito that resulted in harm to people and Vito harmed alot of people. That's very true. And, much as we like to think of regular wars between families (as in Clemenza telling Michael, "Ah, dat's all right, dese t'ings hafta happen every ten years or so--lets out the bad blood"), families would much rather negotiate than fight. Wars are expensive, interfere with business, are dangerous, and enhance the omnipresent opportunities for treachery. Most of the wars we read about in real life are within families, over leadership and territories. How true. As Sollozzo so eloquently puts it, "I don't like violence, Tom. I'm a businessman. Blood is a big expense." That said, a Don who would NEVER sanction violence would not be a very good Don. However, I'm not convinced that Tom would be unwilling to use violence if negotiations failed.
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Re: Tom Hagen As The Don
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09/18/07 12:46 PM
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Yep and he was pretty slick when he told Tessio he wasn't going to try to get him off the hook for old times sake. That smile was as bone chilling as Young Vito's, "can't do it Sally."
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Re: Tom Hagen As The Don
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09/18/07 02:54 PM
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See, and I always took it as though a part of Tom felt bad that Tessio had to go. Maybe he felt badly, but he was pretty direct when Tessio first says tell Mike I always liked him and it was just business. Tom quickly says "He understands that." Then Tessio asks the famour get me off the hook question and Tom says "No chance Sally" then he makes a gesture with his eyes indicating to the buttonmen to put him in the car.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
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Re: Tom Hagen As The Don
[Re: Zaf-the-don]
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12/16/07 12:29 PM
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Last night I was watching GFII and I realized that there is another scene that Duvall just shines in.
In the scene, right after the attempt is made on Michael. He's conversing with Tom about his always trusting him, how he's going to be the Don, etc. etc.
It's when Michael tells him that he's always thought of him as a brother, that once again, Duvall shows what a fantastic actor he really is.
The way that he makes himself well up and become partially emotional is so convincing. It's probably one of the most underated scenes in the movie. Duvall just makes that scene so convincing, like he does several others, with his brilliant acting.
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: Tom Hagen As The Don
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12/16/07 03:05 PM
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So, True. And if you match that scene up with the one where he tells Frankie that the Corleone family used to be like the Roman Empire, you can see the emotional parallels that Duvall portrays. Absolutely! Those scens go right up there with the "they shot Sonny on the causeway, he's dead" scene from GFI. Brando, Pacino and Gazzo themselves are magnificent in those scenes. And of course Brando and Duvall, Gazzo and Duvall, and Pacino and Duvall feed off of each other in those scenes. But Duvall is just superb in everyone of them.
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: Tom Hagen As The Don
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12/17/07 08:50 PM
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These posts are making me thing they should have given Duvall the money he wanted for GFIII. It would have been a much better movie. Here, compare : Duvall : " SENATOR! SENATOR! This committee owes an apology, this committee owes an apology -- an apology SENATOR" Great acting by Duvall once again. Hamilton : " Now we had an agreement! And this meeting was to be merely, a formality, that's all it was." I want to smash my f**k*ng TV when I watch Hamilton in that scene. Trying so hard to be Duvall/Hagenesque in his delivery of that line. He fails sooo miserably. Vincent should have shot him instead of Joe Zsa Zsa! Although I like GFIII overall, FFC really took the cheap way out!
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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