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Re: The Godfather and Religion
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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08/01/07 01:48 PM
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It is interesting that the only one you seeing practicing religion is Kay, in a deleted scene. Aside from the ceremonies, I would say that is the only glimpse that we get of "practicing" religion, aside from the aforementioned ceremonies. Do Fredo's hail mary's not count?
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Re: The Godfather and Religion
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08/01/07 02:34 PM
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None of the Corleones were devout or practicing Catholics, despite attending church on special occasions or adhering to certain rituals when convenient. They weren't different from many (most?) other Catholics (or Protestants or Jews, for that matter) in that regard.
But "religion" played an important role in all three films, in a deeply cynical way. Notice how violence invariably gets mixed in with religious ceremony or occasions throughout the Trilogy. Vito gets shot right around Christmas, with all the yuletide trappings blaring at us in that scene and the surrounding ones. The Great Massacre of 1955 occurs against a backdrop of a baptism, with church music. The massacre climaxes as the priest asks Michael, "Do you renounce Satan and all his works," and Michael says "I do." And: Fanucci murdered during the San Rocco religious parade, the Tahoe machine-gunning following Anthony's first communion party, Fredo murdered while saying his Hail Marys, Archbishop Gilday's corruption, Zasa murdered during the San Gennaro Festival--you know all the rest. You don't have to be a Certified Deep Thinker to figure out what FFC is trying to tell us.
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Re: The Godfather and Religion
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08/01/07 04:15 PM
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None of the Corleones were devout or practicing Catholics, despite attending church on special occasions or adhering to certain rituals when convenient. They weren't different from many (most?) other Catholics (or Protestants or Jews, for that matter) in that regard.
But "religion" played an important role in all three films, in a deeply cynical way. Notice how violence invariably gets mixed in with religious ceremony or occasions throughout the Trilogy. Vito gets shot right around Christmas, with all the yuletide trappings blaring at us in that scene and the surrounding ones. The Great Massacre of 1955 occurs against a backdrop of a baptism, with church music. The massacre climaxes as the priest asks Michael, "Do you renounce Satan and all his works," and Michael says "I do." And: Fanucci murdered during the San Rocco religious parade, the Tahoe machine-gunning following Anthony's first communion party, Fredo murdered while saying his Hail Marys, Archbishop Gilday's corruption, Zasa murdered during the San Gennaro Festival--you know all the rest. You don't have to be a Certified Deep Thinker to figure out what FFC is trying to tell us. Why do you think Francis Ford Coppola portrayed religion that way?
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Re: The Godfather and Religion
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08/01/07 07:44 PM
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What we didn't see/hear was Michael silently saying to himself ".. after I deal with the heads of the Five Families." after he agrees to renounce Satan.
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Re: The Godfather and Religion
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08/01/07 09:11 PM
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Mama Corleone was "sought of" a practicing Catholic,well in the novel at least.She would go to church quite regularly and pray for "Vito's soul" and she eventually convinced Kay to start doing it.In part three,it shows Michael becoming more "God fearing",well at least a tiny bit. 
The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters. Cus D'Amato
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Re: The Godfather and Religion
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08/01/07 09:30 PM
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Despite the presence of religious ceremony in the Trilogy, there is no indication that Vito, his sons, or any other main characters believed in God or even acknowleged any religious adherence. Hmmm? I can't think of a post that has addressed this issue. There are many observations and conjectures that can be derived from the religious aspect of the GF films. From a Catholic standpoint, the Corleones were not devout Catholics (by the films depiction). In the book, Mama Corleone and later Kay are devout, prayful Catholics. But the religious aspect of the film provides a wonderful contrast and hypocrisy of the Corleone family. The obvious ones are no doubt the Baptism and murders of the Five Families. Catholic sacremental celebrations provide the backdrop for several scenes; in GF the Wedding of Connie and Carlo (although not in the church, but the priest is there), the Wedding in Sicily, the Baptism of Michael Rizzi. In GF II the Confirmation party of Anthony and in GF III the Commendatore award to Michael, all the Vatican stuff....the GF triology finds itself associated with Catholic Church ceremony. Why? As a practicing Catholic, from a practical viewpoint I see religion for some people as an insurance policy and a cultural tradition. They better stay close to the church...just in case AND, the sacraments of the church (Baptism, Communion, Confirmation, Holy Matrimony, etc.) are a cultural experience. You do it because your mother and father did it and their mother and father, etc. Too often the party is the focal point and not the Sacrament. For the GF triology the Catholic traditions enrich the story. They provide a stark contrast between good and evil. And they provide the hypocrisy that fuels human interest in the story and characters. Religion is as much a part of the trilogy as murder and revenge. Relgion helps form the psyche of the characters.
Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, whoever humbles himself will be exalted - Matthew 23:12
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Re: The Godfather and Religion
[Re: MaryCas]
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08/07/07 02:36 PM
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For many people in "Catholic" countries like Spain, France, Italy and SOuth America, the Church is a cultural institution as much as a religious one. If anything it is more cultural, and the Church of Rome is in a real battle in Latin America right now for "religious" supremacy over up and coming evangelical churches.
I raise this because it would be nothing for someone like Clemenza or Luca to bless himself if he passed a church on the way to do a hit, just as Vito who coldly tells Tom his dead son was a bad don, but still manages a "rest in peace" comment in there.
Michael was a great deal more cynical and I doubt he paid more than lip service to the church (until GF III when he paid $100 million to get into that Society).
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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Re: The Godfather and Religion
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08/07/07 03:20 PM
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Well, Michael was a cold, calculating, vicious bastard, and if there's a Hell for fictional characters, he's roasting in it right now. But, I don't think it's beyond anyone entering his/her twilight years to start thinking about the hereafter and trying to buy his/her way into Heaven, whether it's Sinatra building hospitals (real life) of Michael getting a private audience with the Pope (reel life), they believed you should "never underestimate the power of forgiveness."
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Re: The Godfather and Religion
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08/08/07 10:10 AM
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...the Church of Rome is in a real battle in Latin America right now for "religious" supremacy over up and coming evangelical churches.
True. The main reason for the late Pope's visit to Cuba was to try to renew Catholicism to combat the ascendency of Santoria. ......and I thought he went to pick up a few cigars, and see if he could get the National rolling again for the Lakeville Road boys Pat Robertson - Something tells me your aide brouoght a badgul of money to the island. Where is it? Pope - I wanna wait. How do you feel? Pat Robertson - I'd give $4million just to take a piss. Pope - Who ordered the hit on John Paul II? I know I didn't.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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Re: The Godfather and Religion
[Re: dontomasso]
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08/08/07 01:08 PM
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...the Church of Rome is in a real battle in Latin America right now for "religious" supremacy over up and coming evangelical churches.
True. The main reason for the late Pope's visit to Cuba was to try to renew Catholicism to combat the ascendency of Santoria. ......and I thought he went to pick up a few cigars, and see if he could get the National rolling again for the Lakeville Road boys Pat Robertson - Something tells me your aide brouoght a badgul of money to the island. Where is it? Pope - I wanna wait. How do you feel? Pat Robertson - I'd give $4million just to take a piss. Pope - Who ordered the hit on John Paul II? I know I didn't. DT, that's pretty good.
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