3 registered members (Ciment, m2w, 1 invisible),
1,013
guests, and 31
spiders. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums21
Topics43,337
Posts1,086,007
Members10,381
|
Most Online1,245 3 hours ago
|
|
|
Re: WHY DIDNT THEY GO AFTER HAGEN?
[Re: pizzaboy]
#433430
09/10/07 10:17 PM
09/10/07 10:17 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 19,694 AZ
Turnbull
|

Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 19,694
AZ
|
There are several questions floating around this interesting thread: First, as Olivant said, the hearing was a Senate investigation, not a grand jury; and in the pre-RICO days, it was not, strictly speaking, against the law to be a consigliere. In fact, unless a specific charge was leveled against the Don or a member of his family, it wasn't against the law to be in the Mafia. In fact, there was no way to stop any lawyer from representing an accused person in any kind of proceeding unless the lawyer had been disbarred or convicted of a crime. Second, putting Tom's photo in the chart as consigliere was an attempt by the committee to show his connection to Michael and his criminal enterprise--no doubt about it. But, if you look at the photo of the chart on p. 216 of Lebo's book, you'll see that there are no footnotes under Hagen's name connecting him to specific criminal activities, such as shylocking, drugs, criminally receiving, etc.--just a FBI file #. Presumably, if Michael had gone down on the perjury charges, maybe the committee and the federal prosecutors would have started working on Tom, Fredo, Rocco, Neri, etc. But Michael was the target at that point. Third, Cicci had a choice: to remain silent and honor omerta, or do what he did, which was to break omerta. He told things about the family that were supposed to be secret. Even though he didn't directly implicate Michael ("I never talked to him"), he said that Michael was "the head of the family." That one phrase in itself could have damaged Michael's legitimate front.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
|
|
|
Re: WHY DIDNT THEY GO AFTER HAGEN?
[Re: Don Cardi]
#433534
09/11/07 10:01 AM
09/11/07 10:01 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,296 Throggs Neck
pizzaboy
The Fuckin Doctor
|
The Fuckin Doctor

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,296
Throggs Neck
|
Well I cannot argue with the fact that he broke Omerta. And we all know what the penalty for breaking Omerta was.
So in truth, FFC dropped the ball by not including Willie Cicci in Michael's quest to get revenge on all of his enemies. Nor did he avenge the Rosato brothers. I've always felt that was the biggest "loose end" that needed tying up.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
|
|
|
Re: WHY DIDNT THEY GO AFTER HAGEN?
[Re: pizzaboy]
#433548
09/11/07 10:29 AM
09/11/07 10:29 AM
|
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 11,468 With Geary in Fredo's Brothel
dontomasso
OP
Consigliere to the Stars
|
OP
Consigliere to the Stars

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 11,468
With Geary in Fredo's Brothel
|
Well I cannot argue with the fact that he broke Omerta. And we all know what the penalty for breaking Omerta was.
So in truth, FFC dropped the ball by not including Willie Cicci in Michael's quest to get revenge on all of his enemies. Nor did he avenge the Rosato brothers. I've always felt that was the biggest "loose end" that needed tying up. Good points, and no one can say this has to do with "cinematic license" or jamming the plot with too much storyline. A hit on Cicci and the Rosatos could have easily been shown montage style, as in GF I, and it would have nicely tied things up.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
|
|
|
Re: WHY DIDNT THEY GO AFTER HAGEN?
[Re: pizzaboy]
#433711
09/11/07 01:31 PM
09/11/07 01:31 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 19,694 AZ
Turnbull
|

Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 19,694
AZ
|
Well I cannot argue with the fact that he broke Omerta. And we all know what the penalty for breaking Omerta was.
So in truth, FFC dropped the ball by not including Willie Cicci in Michael's quest to get revenge on all of his enemies. Nor did he avenge the Rosato brothers. I've always felt that was the biggest "loose end" that needed tying up. ...especially since, in the penultimate boathouse scene, Tom mentions the Rosatos in the same context as Roth: "Roth and the Rosatos are on the run...do you have to kill everyone?" Tom was exaggerating for effect at that point. But we could have inferred that the Rosatos were on the list--we just didn't get to see them whacked.  The same might have applied to Cicci.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
|
|
|
Re: WHY DIDNT THEY GO AFTER HAGEN?
[Re: dontomasso]
#433805
09/11/07 03:55 PM
09/11/07 03:55 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,296 Throggs Neck
pizzaboy
The Fuckin Doctor
|
The Fuckin Doctor

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,296
Throggs Neck
|
But we WANT to see them wacked!
I would imagine Cicci was doing time in a regular prison, so he may have been shot by a police officer, or hanged himself in his jail cell, or just got struck by a bolt of lightning. Or a poisoned jailhouse baloney sandwich, a la Connie.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
|
|
|
Re: WHY DIDNT THEY GO AFTER HAGEN?
[Re: Don Cardi]
#434229
09/12/07 01:44 PM
09/12/07 01:44 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 11,468 With Geary in Fredo's Brothel
dontomasso
OP
Consigliere to the Stars
|
OP
Consigliere to the Stars

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 11,468
With Geary in Fredo's Brothel
|
But we could have inferred that the Rosatos were on the list--we just didn't get to see them whacked. Yeah. FFC could have given us a quick scene showing Carmine Rosatto getting whacked while celebrating his birthday in a restaurant. Two shots to the head, and stick a C note in his mouth.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
|
|
|
|