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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: Irishman12]
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10/12/07 02:41 PM
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I'm not quite ready for my typical State of the Yankees style post with player grades and prospects, but I'll reply to yours with some of my hopes for the upcoming season...
C - Posada 1B - Mientkeiwicz OR Phillips 2B - Cano SS - Jeter 3B - Betemit (I really don't think A-Rod returns) LF - Melky Cabrera CF - Torii Hunter/ Aaron Rowand RF - Abreu DH - Duncan, Matsui Bench: Molina
Rotation: Wang Pettitte Hughes Chamberlain Mussina/Kennedy
Bullpen: Mussina/Kennedy Vizcaino Ramirez Britton Horne Farnsworth Rivera
There is too much age on this team. I would begin cutting ties with several players, including Damon and Giambi (especially those two), in favor of younger talent. I would certainly eat salary to move either one. Damon's durability and his bat is still enough to turn him to a team that needs leadoff talent. Aaron Rowand will likely be available, and would replace Damon's clubhouse spirit.
Giambi is an albatross with a Tampa-era contract. I'd give him away for just about anything. Preferably bullpen help.
Matsui has a full no-trade clause, and the revenue from Japan is too great for the Yankees to dump him. The problem is that he is either a.) still hurt or b.) aging incredibly fast, which is not a good sign for a team that already has too many DH's.
It is quite hard, because there are still no solid options to replace our aging players. Kudos to the Tampa group (hence why I would NOT get rid of Cashman). Torii Hunter, despite his injury history, is the best center fielder available. The question is whether you want Rowand or not for his intangibles. I don't know. I'd probably go with Hunter, but if we're trying to build a '96 team, I'd go with Rowand. Either way, Shelley Duncan can play a serviceable left field (no worse than Matsui...).
I'd pick up Abreu's option in a heartbeat, simply because of his turnaround, as well as his great performance in the playoffs (one of few Yankees).
Melky stays, and is an untouchable. He is the next Bernie Williams (better, I'd say, fielding, probably slightly less at the plate, though he does have potential, and showed poise at the playoffs).
As far as the infield, A-Rod is gone. Pure and simple. He wants the money, and while I would love to have him back (he didn't have a horrible postseason, and did better than other Yankees), paying him in the neighborhood of $40 million per year is just ridiculous. That being said, he does have incentive to accept the Yankees offer, since it comes with the Texas money. However, I doubt he'll be back, and I'd expect him in Chicago next year, with San Francisco being the dark horse.
That brings us to Wilson Betemit, who is still young enough to be thrown in with the prospects, surprisingly enough. He can hit for power, and has soft hands on defense. He could grow into an everyday player for this team, if needed. Betemit had been on the Yankee radar for ages, so they are high on him. Go forth and prosper, Wilson.
Jeter stays. But his clutch is missing. Someone should call the FBI, it's missing.
Cano is a phenom, and they need to get him locked up as soon as possible. He could legitimately win the batting title next year in the AL, as he continues to show his plate discipline, hit for more power, and improve his OBP. His defense is great.
Mientkeiwicz and Phillips both play a great first base, though Phillips had a much better bat this year before he got hurt. I give Mientkeiwicz the edge in defense, however. While their bats leave a bunch to be desired, neither was horrid at the #9 spot.
Posada is an enigma. His defense has arguably lost a step (should have stopped one of those Joba pitches in the Bug Game), though he still has a decent arm. His batting didn't come into question until the playoffs, when he resembled A-Rod at the plate, and looked totally lost. Let's pray Jesus Montero is developing quickly. Maybe we can falsify his birth certificate and say he's 18 or 19 (I believe he's 17 right now). Now you know why I pushed for us to acquire Jarrod Saltalamacchia earlier this year, even though it would have probably cost us Kennedy or Melky. Molina is serviceable, and probably could start for some teams in baseball, but will be a decent backup. There are virtually no free agent options out there at catcher.
For the rotation, Pettitte will probably come back. If not, it's a shame, but it will only further the youth movement (read: rebuilding, which I am in favor of). Hughes should be back to Toronto-game form, and develop into the ace of the rotation. Wang showed in the playoffs why he is probably suited to be the #2 pitcher. Joba will move to the rotation (unless Rivera doesn't resign, which I doubt), he is considerably more valuable there. Kennedy will join the rotation as well. Rounding it out will be Mussina, who really does not belong on this team. You have to wonder if they couldn't circumvent his 10+5 NTC and send him on his merry way, along with Kei Igawa, to the National League for some talent.
The bullpen needs Vizcaino to resign, and needs Ramirez and Britton to take (be given?) more prominent roles. Farnsworth has to get some even dorkier glasses, and pitching lessons from Charlie Sheen. Rivera needs to last another year. I wonder if they won't promote some more minor leaguers (Alan Horne?), and possibly develop Ohlendorf. He was supposed to start anyways, and was HORRIBLY misused by Torre against Cleveland in the playoffs. It could have ruined him for life.
The plus side is that we have some very nice position prospects coming down the line that I'll discuss in my long post sometime in the next week or so. I realize the cliche is that the Yankees don't rebuild, they reload, but I think that if we could nix Torre, get Girardi in here, with a small core of veterans mixed with the youth movement, we could have the makings of another '96 at the very least, certainly the basis for a dynasty.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: Double-J]
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10/12/07 03:39 PM
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Giambi is an albatross with a Tampa-era contract. I'd give him away for just about anything. Preferably bullpen help. I won't argue with that but oddly enough, Giambi was the one guy (in the lineup other than Jeter) that I hated to see come up against Boston. The Yanks definitely need to invest in some young players now.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: SC]
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10/12/07 03:50 PM
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When healthy, Giambi is a valuable power-hitter who can help take the pressure off of other hitters in the lineup, as well as cushion the middle of the lineup (walking A-Rod to get to Giambi, for example).
The problem is that he is a DH, a lefty DH no less, in a lineup that is obscenely lefty-heavy. If he could play even relatively competent defense, I'd consider him at first base, but he can barely run when he's healthy.
The Angels were, and likely should still be (if they don't acquire Bonds or A-Rod) interested in Giambi, and I suspect the Yankees could try and make a nice deal if they ate salary. I would, for instance, have a man crush on Brian Cashman if Chone Figgins came to New York. An instant utility player, lead-off man who would be a baserunning threat, something basically unheard of in New York.
Incidentally, I forgot that Bartolo Colon is going to be a free agent. Wonder if the Yankees would be interested...he's only three years removed from his Cy Young, and could be a nice bridge until the rest of the Yankees young pitchers move up?
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: Double-J]
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10/12/07 04:17 PM
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I would, for instance, have a man crush on Brian Cashman if Chone Figgins came to New York. An instant utility player, lead-off man who would be a baserunning threat, something basically unheard of in New York. Figgins would be a big plus to ANY team but he must be 30 now. If the Yanks are gonna rebuild, they should start with some younger players.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: SC]
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10/12/07 04:29 PM
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I totally agree, but he would undeniably be the kind of utility/bench player the Yankees could use (rather than another power-hitting DH).
The good think is that the Yankees do have some very good prospects for position players, the problem is that they are too young to be promoted to the MLB level. Jose Tabata (outfield) is still probably another year away from full-time duty; projections give him Manny Ramirez power and great-but-not-elite defense. This will work well with Abreu's contract, because it will expire after 2008, allowing Tabata to slide into right field.
Similarly, there are a couple of other big names coming out of Trenton and Scranton-Wilkes Barre. Austin Jackson (SS) will probably eventually replace Jeter, Jesus Montero will replace Posada. But again, it takes time, and they guys are young (like I said, Montero is barely 18).
Besides, I highly doubt that the Angels would give up any decent prospects for Giambi. Figgins is expendable because he is a utility player without a position, and the Angels need power hitting. But again, this is all speculation. I'm sure the Angels will go after A-Rod hard, and Bonds even harder.
Still, I would love to send Giambi off to the West Coast.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: Double-J]
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10/12/07 04:39 PM
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The good think is that the Yankees do have some very good prospects for position players, the problem is that they are too young to be promoted to the MLB level. So you wait a year or two and rebuild from within. Thats how to build up the next dynasty. (I know, I know... its easy to say that and I honestly wouldn't want to see the Sox "waste" a year or two, but rebuilding takes some time). BTW - You mentioned earlier about a leadoff base running threat being unheard of for the Yankees. Remember Rickey Henderson?
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: SC]
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10/12/07 04:50 PM
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The good think is that the Yankees do have some very good prospects for position players, the problem is that they are too young to be promoted to the MLB level. So you wait a year or two and rebuild from within. Thats how to build up the next dynasty. Isn't that what I've said?  I realize the cliche is that the Yankees don't rebuild, they reload, but I think that if we could nix Torre, get Girardi in here, with a small core of veterans mixed with the youth movement, we could have the makings of another '96 at the very least, certainly the basis for a dynasty.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: Double-J]
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10/12/07 05:04 PM
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Isn't that what I've said? Oh, errrr, yeah.  Eyewitness News just reported that Torre will likely be asked back next year.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: klydon1]
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10/12/07 11:53 PM
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I would think he'd stay. The Yankees can't afford to lose him or the money from Texas. Also, I don't think Betemit is anything more than a utility guy. Betemit could probably play as an everyday player, but obviously there would be plenty of other people that would be available. FTW, I have heard that the Orioles would like to keep Tejada, but have him move to third base. Does that make Melvin Mora available?
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: Double-J]
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10/14/07 09:31 PM
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Holy Piss!!!Big rumor out of New York...the Yankees are in talks with the Twins to make a deal that would send a package of players, headlined by Chien-Ming Wang, to Minnesota, in exchange for Johan Santana. Holy Piss? Hmm? Is that a Buffalo expression? One pitcher for another? Why, because CMW screwed up in the playoffs? There's got to more in that deal....like the other players. Who's on the Twins that the Yankees could benefit by? The catcher or the first baseman? or both?
Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, whoever humbles himself will be exalted - Matthew 23:12
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: MaryCas]
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10/15/07 08:03 AM
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Holy Piss? Hmm? Is that a Buffalo expression?
Last time I checked, we humans piss out of a hole, right? 
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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10/15/07 08:14 AM
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It would be foolish. If they were trading star players based on their latest postseason performance, they'd be looking for a new shortstop. Actually, with the exception of the outfield, they'd be looking to trade the whole damn team. There are two sides to this trade, should it go down. On the plus side, you are getting the most dominant strikeout pitcher in the American League over the past few years, and a lefty at that, something we haven't seen in New York in...what, forever?  Santana would certainly be the ace of the rotation, and any trade would come with a contract extension, likely making him a Yankee for a considerably long tenure. On the down side, there is nothing inherently wrong with Wang, other than the fact that he had control issues in the first game, and then pitched on short rest in the second game, against a potent Cleveland offense. He is a great pitcher, but his game relies on a solid defense behind him. Also, any deal would mean the Yankees would certainly send prospects, and I would suspect that it would most likely include Melky Cabrera and one of our higher-tier pitching prospects (Ian Kennedy?). Is the trade worth it? If Cashman could get them to lay off of Melky, and still get it done, I would do it. Santana is young enough so that he'll remain a dominant AL pitcher for a considerably long time. We have a glut of prospects for this very reason. I like Ian Kennedy, but I'd rather have Johan Santana, simply because of the fact that one is a proven Major League pitcher while the other is not. If Melky enters into the equation, it gets harder. Sure, you could trade Melky away, but he has the potential (in my opinion at least) to be the next Bernie Williams. If the Yankees wanted to do the Twins bad, they could simply go and sign Torii Hunter (who left, creating the void that Melky would fill in Minnesota). But this could really hinder the Yankee youth movement, as Hunter is a 30+ year old center fielder with an injury history, although he plays amazing defense and has a bat that Melky simply cannot compete with (yet). The problem with this trade is that it doesn't see the Yankees getting younger, which I think is vital. If I were Cashman, I would try to get this done without Melky being involved, but with Torii Hunter on the horizon, and Jose Tabata lying in wait back at Scranton, I would have to seriously consider ANY trade that would bring Johan Santana into pinstripes, even if it costs us two of my favorite Yankees (Wang and Melky).
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: MaryCas]
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10/15/07 08:42 AM
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Keep Wang, get Santana some other way. Pitching, pitching, pitching. Yes we piss out of a hole, but I think that would be Holey Piss. Holy Piss is something else, kinda like Holy Shit or Holy Cow. Depends on your religion. All this talk about Wang, piss, etc. makes me yearn for the latrine.  Santana would be a free agent after next year, which is why I would wait, on one hand. On the other, you take the risk of another team getting Santana through trade, and any trade would involve a long-term contract. So it really is a game of rolling the dice - do you trade away great talent in Wang and Melky, two major parts of the youth movement, for one of (if not the) elite pitcher in the American League? Or do you wait until the end of '08, when he hits the free market, could command an insane contract, and may have already been snatched up by another team?
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