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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: Double-J]
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10/18/07 11:41 PM
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Way to go, Joe! Good job! Way to go, George! Great job!  The Yankees offered him a 1-year deal, which he turned down. Huzzah. ...a pay cut. An insult. Yeah, "Way to go, George!" telling the manager who got you into the post season EVERY SINGLE YEAR but that's not good enough for you cuz you need to win it all! And that's TORRE'S FAULT!! Not the pitchers or batters' fault... it's TORRE'S FAULT!! 
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey!  lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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10/18/07 11:43 PM
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J Geoff
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PROGRAM ALERT
According to WFAN: Joe to do Letterman tonight. There was no mention of Joe being on (despite being mentioned in the monologue), so after Mad Dog is off, I'm turning this shit off. I'd rather watch the end of the Rutgers game, but can't seem to find it. 
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey!  lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: J Geoff]
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10/19/07 07:44 AM
10/19/07 07:44 AM
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Double-J
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"Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." Should I quote that again? "Blah blah, blah blah blah blah." Torre is a HoF manager, who had an amazing tenure with the Yankees. But great managers have come and go before, and on even less amiable circumstances. But of course, wait, here we go: "blah blah blah blah blah, because we made the playoffs and blah blah blah, and blah." Enough is enough. It's time for a change. "Well, blah blah blah, those Yankees are blah blah blah blah blah." Well, I've already posted before several flaws which I feel have rendered Torre an ineffective coach, but no one seems to want to acknowledge that. It's more like rationalization about blah, blah, and blah... And I understand Torre had blah while he was here. But our team hasn't even come close to blah for the past three years. And when I mean blah, I mean, seriously bro, blah. But blah blah blah blah blah Posada, and blah blah blah! Let's turn the clock back to '96. I know. Try to reconcile yourself to the fact that I'm right, and you're wrong. Best, Double-J
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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10/19/07 08:57 AM
10/19/07 08:57 AM
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I know. Try to reconcile yourself to the fact that I'm right, and you're wrong.
Best, Double-J
Or NOT. Blah blah?
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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10/19/07 09:38 AM
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I still say they should have fired Cashman. There is a long list of overpaid ex all stars on the downside of their careers. I love it when people give him the credit for the good crop of young players but say he wasn't really in charge of the Pavano decision, among others. I guess he only made the good choices, or spent years only responsible for deciding what the giveaways would be on the promo games.
Why the argument against Cashman fails: 1.) EVERY team wanted Pavano when he became a free agent. There were several teams that wanted him. No one could have predicted he'd turn to absolute garbage. 2.) Overpaid ex-all stars. Who? Damon? Yes, I blame Cashman. Sheffield? Wasn't his decision. Giambi? Wasn't his decision. So who else are you talking about, exactly? Matsui has been fabulous until he was hurt last year, and (clearly) is still having problems adjusting. Randy Johnson? In spite of what many Yankee fans think, Johnson still had solid years here in New York. Considering he needed back surgery and ended his year this season with the Diamondbacks on the shelf, Cashman looks smart for dealing him. Mike Mussina on a two-year contract? Okay, I agree that I've never been that high on Moose. But look at the FA list for 2007, and tell me how Mussina's contract wasn't a certifiable deal. You trying to tell me A-Rod - remember, the deal Cashman made with Texas - is an overpaid former all-star? 3.) You act like those young players are nothing, but the Yankees have several players who can be competent Major League everyday players; among them, many have an elite ceiling. Before Cashman took the reigns, the Yankee farm system was used for one thing: trade bait. Now, it actually is possibly generating another crew of '96ers. So please, try, try again.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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10/19/07 09:40 AM
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"How George Steinbrenner answered Joe Torre's request for a fair contract."
Explain to me what "fair" is, in this case. I think $5 million - keeping him as the highest paid manager in the league - is certainly "fair," to say the least.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: Double-J]
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10/19/07 09:44 AM
10/19/07 09:44 AM
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Explain to me what "fair" is, in this case. Blah blah blah blah blah.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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10/19/07 09:48 AM
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Explain to me what "fair" is, in this case. Blah blah blah blah blah. About what I expected.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: Double-J]
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10/19/07 11:22 AM
10/19/07 11:22 AM
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I have really no conscious memory of anyone else as the Yankee manager besides Joe Torre.
Really? That makes me feel old. You may not fully be able to appreciate what an anchor Torre has been for a volatile organization. Back in the 80s Billy Martin got his ass kicked in the clubhouse by Ed Whitson, and it was just another one of Billy's brawls. I think that said, Torre's greatest contribution was maintaining and sustaing a sense of professionalism and pride to a team that played hard every game. While I felt Torre should have not been subjected to such persistent doubt within the organization, I will admit that he was very well compensated, yes overcompensated. I think he was a very good fit for the Yankees, who made the playoffs for the first time in 14 years a year before he arrived. But I don't think that he would be as successful with a young team as some other managers may be. I agree with you, DJ, Torre's departure should have no bearing on the decisions of free agents Posada, Rivera and Pettite, who has an option, I believe. Sure, they may lament Torre's leaving, but that is part of the business of the game. If there are other reasons for them wanting to leave, that's fine too. This afternoon, ESPN is apparently running a special two hour tribute to Torre, which probably embarrasses him. I think this is a little much. He's not dead, and he's going to manage someplace else again, maybe even in 2008. However, ESPN will capitalize on the attention this story is getting. It will all die as soon as NY names Don Mattingly manager.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: pizzaboy]
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10/19/07 12:13 PM
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I'll tell you; if the reasoning for this shakeup is Torre's quiet dignity, and they're looking for someone with a different personality, they're better off with Girardi than Mattingly. And don't laugh at this one, although I'd be shocked if it happened--Don't discount Bobby Valentine, he's the best manager not currently working in MLB. Agreed 100%, although I'd rather have Girardi than Valentine.  As I've been saying throughout this thread, my problem with Torre of late had been complacency. I want a manager who is fired up, and fires his players up!
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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10/19/07 12:20 PM
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Yeah, I'll buy that DJ, but Bobby V does have the best resume of the names that are floating around (LaRussa notwithstanding, but he's technically employed).Valentine took an absolutely awful 1996 Met team, a pig team, and along with the Piazza signing in 1998, he made them contenders in two years. Love him or hate him, he gets players fired up and gets the job done. If he had a legitimate outfield to work with, the Mets just may have won a World Series during the Bobby V era.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
[Re: pizzaboy]
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10/19/07 12:25 PM
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I'll tell you; if the reasoning for this shakeup is Torre's quiet dignity, and they're looking for someone with a different personality, they're better off with Girardi than Mattingly. And don't laugh at this one, although I'd be shocked if it happened--Don't discount Bobby Valentine, he's the best manager not currently working in MLB. I suggested earlier that Bowa may be the guy if they wanted the opposite of Torre. He screams and throws tantrums, but I see them looking at Girardi and Mattingly. I think it will be Mattingly because the Yankees have implied that he will be manager some day, and he is older than Girardi. Why make Girardi manager now if the older Mattingly is the future. Mattingly was a quiet guy as a player, and always seemed to me to avoid the limelight. I'd be shocked if the Yankees hired Bobby Valentine. Something tells me that #2 will have some input on the decision.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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10/19/07 12:37 PM
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I'm not sure about that, Klyd. If Jeter had any input, Joe would have a three year deal right now, although I'm sure they'll float the candidates names out to the players. The Yankees have succeeded in taking some attention away from the Bos/Cle series. Not just that: as A Met fan, I'm very grateful to both the Yankee and Knick management for getting us off the back page!
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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10/19/07 04:35 PM
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Don Cardi
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Oh screw all this back office political bullshit. I've had enough. The truth is that NONE of them could give two fucks about the fans! Players, owners, managers, etc. None of them. The bottom line is how much money they can make. Period. Let me know when game 1 of the WS starts and after it's over, let me know when there's 1 day till pitchers and catchers. That's all I care about as a fan of this game. --------------------------------- "I hate George Steinbrenner because he made Joe Torre cry."
"You think if your father couldn't pay his rent that Joe Torre would care? ... Joe Torre made $7,000,000 a year -- he don't care ..." ---------------------------------- 
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!?
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10/21/07 11:35 AM
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Torre turns down FOX Sports offerNEW YORK -- Joe Torre's next job could have been World Series analyst. Torre declined an offer from FOX Sports to call the World Series alongside lead announcer Joe Buck and analyst Tim McCarver, SI.com has learned. FOX Sports president Ed Goren called Torre's agent, Maury Gostfrand, on Friday night to inquire if his client was interested in joining the network for the World Series. Gostfrand called Goren on Saturday to decline the offer. "His agent called us back today and let us know that Joe was flattered to be asked but respectfully declined because he has made some family commitments," said FOX Sports spokesman Dan Bell. "We completely understand and will go with Joe and Tim in the booth for the World Series." If Torre does not manage in 2008, broadcasting is a strong possibility. He spent nearly six years as a well-regarded broadcaster for the California Angels from 1985 to 1990, and was an analyst with ESPN during the 1989 National League playoffs and World Series. He even served as the play-by-play voice for KTLA-TV for part of the 1990 season, working with analyst Reggie Jackson. Torre is known to be close with both Buck and McCarver, who was Torre's Cardinals teammate and roommate in 1973 and 1974. Buck has known Torre since he was a tyke running around the Cardinals clubhouse. Buck's father, Jack, called Cardinals games during Torre's career in St. Louis. TBS would also be a logical destination for Torre. In addition to its postseason schedule next year, TBS will carry a league-wide package of 26 Sunday afternoon games. Asked about the possibility of adding Torre to his roster, Turner Sports executive producer Jeff Behnke said in an email this week to SI.com: "As we do with all our sports, we will evaluate every component of our productions during the offseason to see how we can improve our on-air product." Source: FOX Sports
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