IF! WHEN! Irishman, you need some kind of rehab. Get over it. Your Yankees are Done! Not in the playoffs! Now say it slowly with me on three

one....

two....

three!

"The---Yankees----Are-----***take a deep breath*** NOT-----In the -----playoffs."


See, that wasn't so hard. Say it 5 times a day and you should be ok in about 6 months.

Irish, I still love ya', but I'm losing respect for you by the minute. There are a lot of Yankee fans on this site who came on after being eliminated and made posts similar to mine, Goombah's and Don Cardi's, so please, so none of the other younger members pick on you, grow up. And for the record, when the Sox are hitting, no one's beating them.

That's your opinion and mine's stated above. But since the Yankees aren't in the playoffs anymore, we're not suppose to discuss them

Hey, Irish, I was being friendly. You can't have a civilized conversation, that's fine.

How bout them Yankees!?

I'm trying to have a civilized conversation but I don't like being told what I can and can't talk about and where I can and can't talk about it. It's not your fault, but again, you stated your opinion about the Red Sox (which I might not agree with but I believe you have the right to express it). I tried doing the same thing and was told to stop. Do you see the double standard?

Feel free to discuss your team here... they were, after all, in the playoffs.

FWIW - I think the statement about not mentioning the Yankees anymore was just a good-natured jab at you. Don't get thin-skinned.

Yes Irishman, you are definitely waayyyyy too sensative. I really was only kidding with you. I made sure to include a , , in all my posts.




At least now I know better than to try kidding around with or joking with you.

So that's the trick. You're a bastard Don Cardi , ,

Then I apologize. I misunderstood. I thought you were serious. Sorry for the confusion both DC and pizzaboy. If either of you wish to drop it and move forward, I understand.

These other posters are correct - you are so blinded by the Yankees that you can't see reality right in front of you. It's one thing to defend one's team, but it's quite another when you can't even back up an argument with sound logic.


The Indians & Boston tied for the the best record in baseball. Any knowledgeable baseball fan understands that the Red Sox were considered the favorites over Cleve because of BoSox playoff experience. Two of the Boston starters had WS rings, whereas Sabathia & Carmona completely melted in the spotlight. Then throw in the 1-2 punch of Ortiz and Manny having the experience over all of the Cleveland hitters with the exception of Trot Nixon & Lofton.

If the Indians were to get back to the postseason in 2008, and that is a HUGE if in my mind, then the lack of playoff experience argument goes out the window. I don't think the Indians will win the Central because a) they will not have two 19 game winners and a 15 game winner again, b) they will not go through the season without a major injury again, c) they will not get the same quality (and luck) from the bullpen, d) it is unreasonable to think that a team can put back-to-back seasons of getting constant 2 out hits with RISP like they did the entire season until the final 3 games of the playoffs.

The Indians were the favorites (not by huge margins) over NY for these reasons, whether you acknowledge it or not: 1) much better, younger starting pitching than an aging and injured NY staff; 2) more balanced hitting, 3) better middle relief pitching; and 4) the Indians were far more consistent through the course of the regular season than the streakiness of NY.

Jeter, Posada, Mo don't have postseason experience and World Series rings? A-Rod, Matsui, Damon, Cano, Abreu don't have the experience either

goombah was explaining why the Sox were favored over the Indians. The Yankees' post-season experience didn't overcome their shortcomings as was pointed out by goombah elsewhere in his post:

***POSTSEASON TRIVIA***

Freddie Patek did it in 1977 (Sparky Lyle was the pitcher).
Chipper Jones did it in 2002 (Rob Nenn was the pitcher).

These are the only times it happened in the postseason since 1947. What is it?

----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----

What do the following baseball players ALL have in common? This isn't related to the postseason.

Luis Castillo, Luis Gonzalez, Carl Yastrzemski, Carl Crawford, Tony Fernandez, Tony Gwynn, Ed Kranepool, Edgar Martinez, Willie Stargell, and Willie McCovey. Todd Helton and Garrett Anderson are the only active players with this in common along with Gonzalez and Crawford.

In all there are thirty players.

Hmm, MLB Playoffs Discussion...uh Boston vs. Colorado in the World Series...hmm seems to me that it could be entirely possible that the Yankees are irrelevant to this thread. Just a hunch.

SC, Even those the Red Sox kicked the Tribes ass I will be rooting for Red Sox. But when it is Manny's turn to bat I hope he strikes out.

I think some here won't be voting for Rudy. Could this be an act of treason?

What's the big deal who he roots for?

Ahh Miggy, you don't understand. Rudy is this die hard Yankee fan who has always been at every playoff / WS game the Yankees were in and even as Mayor never hid the fact that the Yankees were his team here in New York.

Now no self respecting die hard, true blue Yankee fan would ever root for the Boston Red Sox or be caught dead sporting ANY kind of Boston Red Sox paraphernalia!

It's a hate filled rivalry between the Yankee and Boston fans.

Rudy has really surprised me with this!

Thanks for explaining it to me. I didn't know he was a die hard Yanks fan. Maybe he is trying to get some votes.

He is. But it's not so much HIM. It's the general idea that any real die hard Yankee fan would NEVER root for the Red Sox, and visa versa.

Rudy stands out because he's now a Presidential candidate and has been extremely vocal and public throughout the years about his passion for the Yankees.

I guess he thinks he has a better chance of carrying liberal Massacheusetts, as opposed to conservative Colorado.

Rudy makes a HUGE deal out of this very issue in his book Leadership. When he became mayor, he was advised that he shouldn't root for the Yankees over the Mets, since they're both NY teams. He said that he had grown up in Brooklyn being a Yankee fan, which was fairly unpopular (to say the least), and that he would always be a Yankee fan, blah, blah, blah. He made a big deal out this, claiming that it showed that he would stick with his principles, even if it was unpopular. He's also very close friends with Joe Torre.

For him to do this, after courting the NRA a few weeks ago, then charging $9.11 for a fundraiser (his campaign said that they didn't know about it, and disapproved), I am losing more and more respect for him by the hour.

Rudy changing allegiance can't be THAT surprising. He is a politician.

I don't want to turn this into a political topic, BUT......While you are losing more and more respect for him, he is making more and more progress towards becoming a legitimate contender in the Presidential Race.

It's the nature of the beast. I don't agree with it, I don't respect it, but it's the game you have to play. They sell their souls to the political devil.

For him to put on Red Sox paraphernalia is proof that he's sold his soul.

It would be nice to have an intelligent sports discussion, but it's impossible if you fail to comprehend what was actually said.

SC further elaborated on an explanation that had already been sufficiently simplistic. I've wasted too much time - I guess the only things that registers for you are 1) the Yankees are the greatest, 2) Notre Dame is the greatest and 3) the Boston Red Sox suck.

Back to the real topic of this thread, I have a hunch that the Rockies are walking out of Boston with a split. I don't think they'll be as impatient against Beckett as Cleveland hitters. And Schilling hardly has looked like a world beater this postseason. Had the Indians not imploded in Game 6 and staked Schilling to such a big lead, I think he would have not made it past the 4th inning.

I hope there is snow in Games 3 & 4 - a good dusting with flurries during the games. Then MLB will see how absurd these extra days off are and why the season should either 1) be reduced to 140 games or 2) begin in March.

Sadly, I agree. If Beckett is anywhere near his game Boston wins the first. Period. Schilling has seen his glory days pass him by. Losing Wakefield in the post-season only adds to the Sox' woes and DiceK is too "iffy".

The Sox HAVE to hit (as they did in Game 7 in the ALCS) or its gonna be a short (losing) series for them.




Never happen. If the season begins in March they still have snow issues in a lot of cities. Look what happened in Cleveland this year. The owners would never allow the League to cut back on the amount of games... that translates into lost revenue.

They'll eventually have a set site for the World Series.... Florida. Oh wait, Florida has hurricanes in October. OK, southern California. Wait, southern Cali has Santa Ana fires in October. OK, Arizona! Yeah, thats it!!

I'm surprised nobody has talked about Colorado being rusty. 8 days off is a lot. I think the Tigers had 7 before they faced St. Louis in the Series last year and were swept if I remember correctly. 8 days off + facing John Beckett in Boston = a Game 1 lose. Hopefully they can salvage a split but I wouldn't at all be surprised to see them leave Boston down 0-2. I've seen some picks at having the Sox win in 5 games. Personally I think they'll win it in 6.

I too am expecting a split in Boston. I also expect the Rockie hitters to do well in Games 3 and 4. These games may be the highest scoring of the series. I also think that Colorado can work some runs against Beckett, the best pitcher in the playoffs.

If the series goes back to Boston for Games 6 and 7, I give the Sox an advantage.

I'll go out on a limb and pick the Rockies in 5. The layoff will have some effect, but maybe they'll capture their magic after a few innings.

I've considwered that too, but with the rockies I think you have to throw a lot of logic out the window. They've been defying logic for some time. They may be too young to realize they're supposed to cool off.

Boston is tough though. They're pretty much built for post-season play.