tony had his own defenition of love and he loved elivra to the extent of that.

Yes, I think so too. And I don't think that he ever would have intentionally hurt her..he never wanted to hurt anyone in his family.

He was a great guy untill the power and money got to him. Just like Adolf...

He was a bad person who just went worse until somebody put a bullet through him.

touche

That's awfully retarded.

Tony was a [BadWord].

There is a scene from the movie Wyatt Earp with Kevin Costner and Dennis Quaide (Doc Holiday). Both are in the saloon after Wyatt's wife (?) tries to commit suicide and Wyatt is feeling guilty over it. Doc tries to molify him to which Wyatt responds "Is that supposed to get me off the hook?" Doc says "There is no hook. There's only what we do."

I completely agree. You can mess around with concepts of good and evil all you want. In the end, it's only our actions that count and by which we are judged. I may be the most intrinsically evil person on this earth, but I've never murdered anyone, I've never provided drugs to anyone, I've never had incestuous thoughts about my sister, and I've never misled others into destructive and murderous actions. So, what difference does it make whether I or Tony Montana are evil or not?

If a man is a murderer (whether he has murdered one person or more than one person) and if he supplies illegal drugs to other people, then he is evil; it is non-debatable.

Hey!!!
I don't consider myself evil,so what are you talkin.... oh..my bad your talking about Tony.

I do agree with that!

ME TOO!

He's a horrible person who rises to power.

That's why we watch it.

Interesting, I think that people are fixated on the "evil" side of humanity. I still can't fathom Tony being that(i'm a softy)
But I see what yer sayin!

After reading through this thread again I think it's silly to say he was a victim of whatever so that's why he did bad things. The reason I mention it is because of the recent events with Michael Vick and the dog fighting charges. He took pleasure in watching animals die in brutal ways, which to me is obviously a horrible thing! But there are some people who say he is just acting the way the people around him act growing up. I don't think that's an excuse because he knew it was wrong, that's why he was secretive about it.

Same with Tony. If he was a good person then why did he have to do things secretively? Why did he need his security cameras? Sure he stopped himself from killing women and children, but even in a place like prison men get beat and sometimes killed because they killed women and children. The men who kill those guys are also bad people, that's why they are in prison, but because they stop short of women and children doesn't make them good.

I think it's interesting that this is even a topic of discussion, but I honestly don't see why it is.

I just want to say that not all prison inmates are bad simply because they are in prison. They may have made stupid errors which landed them in prison, or they may have been wrongfully accused or whatever-- there are a huge number of reasons people go to prison. Perhaps I'm not pleading Tony's case right. I should say that Tony may have a bad side, but he also has a good side, where some people out there have no feeling, or compassion for anything whatsoever. Sure Vic had a choice. He was a rich man with a great career, and he was stupid for screwing it all up. But he also grew up in this countrey, where he had privlages and wasn't under oppression and total poverty.
Perhaps he was poor growing up, but he probably didn't have to wear cardboard on his feet.

A person's upbringing and background do indeed influence thier choices or behavior. Tony is not a saint or a perfect person, but he is still not "evil" I doubt he would enjoy watching animals die. I get what yer saying, but that's just the way I feel.

Horrible person.

His end couldn't have been more appropriate or justified.

So if somebody gave you some sort of a reward for killing another person, and you did it, that wouldn't make you a bad person? I think that alone is reason enough why Tony is a bad person. If not then I think you can justify anything and there is no such thing as a bad person in this world.

I agree, Blibble.

Let me re-phrase- what comes around goes around. That's all I meant.

I agree with you as well PB, my comment was directed to Brwne Byte. I should have used the quote feature.

And I'm sure that such horrible people like Hitler had there "good" moments. That doesn't excuse them from being what they really are.



So it's was ok that he enjoyed killing humans and watching humans die as long as he didn't enjoy watching or killing animals?

has anyone seemed to notice that some place more value on a animals life than a humans? people never cease to amaze me

I didn't mean it that way, I was just trying to, I guess, make a point. But I can see I'm being pummled to death here

Chopper, read this old thread we discussed here a while back about this topic... Pets vs. Humans. It's pretty interesting!

thanks for that bibble it was interesting to see peoples different views on the matter

Hurm.

Oh yes1 Tony is one badass dude!

Well, he is indeed a "bad ass" lol

Are you saying he's not a "dude" Brwne Byte? This could open up a whole new topic of discussion about Tony Montana because there was a moment or two where I thought he was wearing make-up... not to mention his love for Elvira's hat.

You all know this.