2 registered members (DE NIRO, 1 invisible),
999
guests, and 19
spiders. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums21
Topics43,336
Posts1,085,990
Members10,381
|
Most Online1,185 23 minutes ago
|
|
|
The real reason Tony ......
#473399
02/17/08 02:50 AM
02/17/08 02:50 AM
|
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,539 My own world.
whisper
OP
Underboss
|
OP
Underboss
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,539
My own world.
|
Sorry if this has been posted before,but what is the real reason Tony killed Christopher???
Did He do it because he really thought Chris wasn't going to make it after the crash,or was it because of his paranoia,thinking Chris fantasized his downfall,or even he thought Chris was weak and would "flip"??
I've re watched the episode a few times and i really couldn't place my finger on it.I know he was relieved to some point,but did he really want him dead??
The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters. Cus D'Amato
|
|
|
Re: The real reason Tony ......
[Re: DE NIRO]
#473422
02/17/08 10:21 AM
02/17/08 10:21 AM
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 381 The BING
Sopranorleone
Capo
|
Capo
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 381
The BING
|
In the episode, the doctors actually said that Chris could have survived his injuries. Tony probably told himself after the fact that he was helping Chris by relieving him of his pain. But, the real reason is that Tony felt "afraid" of Chris. Not afraid in the actual sense of the word. Tony thought that Chris, "a weak, lying, sniveling drug addict - the worst kind of bet" would easily flip to the Feds. Then, to add fuel to the fire, Chrissy making Cleaver, a film whose boss represents Tony in more ways than one and ends with the boss being brutally hacked to death, surely didn't ease Tony's suspicions.
It all really started when Adrianna was killed (sorry Olivant). I always felt that Chris thought that he had a choice - and that whoever he sided with would be obliged to thank him. So, Chris expected a thank you from Tony. But to T, Chris had no choice. Due to the nature of his profession, Chris had to give up Ade. So, why should he be thanked just for doing his job? Which is validated in "Walk Like a Man," when Chris says after the AA meeting, "Fine. But he never appreciated it."
|
|
|
Re: The real reason Tony ......
[Re: Sopranorleone]
#473460
02/17/08 04:36 PM
02/17/08 04:36 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 554 Philadelphia
BDuff
Philadelphia's Consigliere
|
Philadelphia's Consigliere
Underboss
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 554
Philadelphia
|
True Sopranoleone, but don't forget this. Tony had given up on Chris as his successor, at the time of Chris's death, Tony had already been grooming Bobby Bacala his unofficial Underboss.
A scene in 6B that proves this is in "Walk like a Man" where Chris comes to tell Tony about Paulie's boosting. Who's in the room? Tony, Sil, and Bobby. Hell, when Bobby asks Chris what happened, Chris doesn't even acknowledge him just shoots him a look.
Since the end of 6A, Tony was phasing out Christopher and Paulie from his inner circle. Tony could have given Esplanade to Chris, but no he gave it to Carlo. Carlo and Bobby made money and were low profile whereas Tony viewed Paulie as incompetant and Chris as a huge risk. Both Chris and Paulie were prone to violence and could be an easy target for the FBI.
I know I'm off topic, so back to my point. So when Chris crashed that car, did Tony really need Chris? He was using again, phased out by Bobby and alienating himself from the other DiMeo Capos. Killing Chris at that point didn't mean much to Tony, Chris was long gone in his eyes.
PS - Episode 9 "Glorified Crew" will be up soon
"When my time comes, tell me, will I stand up?" Paulie "Walnuts" Gaultiere - The Sopranos
|
|
|
Re: The real reason Tony ......
[Re: Sopranorleone]
#473508
02/17/08 11:54 PM
02/17/08 11:54 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,539 My own world.
whisper
OP
Underboss
|
OP
Underboss
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,539
My own world.
|
Good point Sopranorleone, It is definitely possible and no doubt Chris contemplated it and then thought about how his life would have been if he had when he was with Ade.But i still think Chris would have stayed loyal.That was the type of guy he was i think.I couldn't picture him turning rat,even if he really wanted to.
Great theory of the cat though,i never thought of it like that.
The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters. Cus D'Amato
|
|
|
Re: The real reason Tony ......
[Re: chopper]
#473548
02/18/08 06:56 AM
02/18/08 06:56 AM
|
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,539 My own world.
whisper
OP
Underboss
|
OP
Underboss
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,539
My own world.
|
Some good points.I just couldn't believe it when i first saw that episode.
Tony is one cold hearted prick.Chris would have never flipped. once a smack head always a smack head they can never be trusted whatever crack head 
The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters. Cus D'Amato
|
|
|
Re: The real reason Tony ......
[Re: Longneck]
#490343
05/29/08 05:05 PM
05/29/08 05:05 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 381 The BING
Sopranorleone
Capo
|
Capo
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 381
The BING
|
No matter how many times Chrissy would cry in T's arms (or whatever else), it would only be a temporary relief. Eventually, something would come along and he'd be back to dreading him all over again. Also, if the FBI were to come knocking down his door, he'd turn T and the gang in in a second if he was facing jailtime.
The Sopranos series really showed the evolution of Christopher Moltisanti. He really loved T and the mob life in the early seasons, but, as things changed and developed, he desired something else in his life - and a different career.
I always thought (and this was confirmed in this past season's "Walk Like a Man") that the whole Aide fiasco (no matter HER fate) was the sparkplug that let things deteriorate very quickly between Chris and T. Tony saw it as, hey, you're in the mafia and you took an oath. This thing of ours is above family. If Aide is a rat, you have no choice but to turn her over to us. Then, why should you be thanked and be given special favors and requests when you're just doing your job? ("How many times are you gonna play the Adrianna card?"). Now, from Chrissy's point of view, he had to make a DECISION and whoever he sided with should be grateful. Chris went with the rules of the mob and turned her in to T. ("But he never appreciated it!"). Chrissy wanted a "hey, thank you, Christapha. You made the right choice," from someone. But, "they shit on your pity."
|
|
|
Re: The real reason Tony ......
[Re: Longneck]
#490449
05/30/08 01:44 PM
05/30/08 01:44 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,539 My own world.
whisper
OP
Underboss
|
OP
Underboss
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,539
My own world.
|
That is not something you can prove though! Perhaps Chris may have gotten over it!! Had one of his cries in Tony's arma etc etc Riiiiiiiiiiiight. And Ade is alive. and Ade is alive. Silvio keeps her as a sex slave!!
The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters. Cus D'Amato
|
|
|
|