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Re: Hillary [Re: pizzaboy] #475945
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 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy


Hillary just brings out the worst in me.


I thought White Castle did that




Long as I remember The rain been coming down.
Clouds of Mystery pouring Confusion on the ground.
Good men through the ages, Trying to find the sun;
And I wonder, Still I wonder, Who'll stop the rain.

Re: Hillary [Re: pizzaboy] #475946
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 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Her anger issues have never been more evident, she's become a very ugly person.Who's gonna be the poor bastard to tell her it's all over?


And you know who called it from the get go? Who predicted that she wasn't going to have it as easy as she and Slick Willie were anticipating? Who said that she would eventually have a meltdown?

Dick Morris! He called this perfectly wayyy before it all even began starting to unravel for her.

This has quite the potential to turn out to be one of the most interesting Presidential races / elections in the history of our country.



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Re: Hillary [Re: Longneck] #475947
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Don't get me started on those.

When I eat those, a warning from the surgeon general should be tattooed on my ass.


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Re: Hillary [Re: pizzaboy] #475949
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 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
a warning from the surgeon general should be tattooed on my ass.


You got that right ;\)




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Clouds of Mystery pouring Confusion on the ground.
Good men through the ages, Trying to find the sun;
And I wonder, Still I wonder, Who'll stop the rain.

Re: Hillary [Re: Don Cardi] #475953
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 Originally Posted By: Don Cardi
 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Her anger issues have never been more evident, she's become a very ugly person.Who's gonna be the poor bastard to tell her it's all over?


This has quite the potential to turn out to be one of the most interesting Presidential races / elections in the history of our country.


Yeah, I agree.

What's going to make it very interesting is that McCain's popularity seems to be very quietly creeping upward.


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Re: Hillary [Re: pizzaboy] #475957
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Although her campaign may be far from over, as Klyd correctly pointed out, BUT the perception that it is may just be enough to kill it. People want to back a winner, and if they sense that Hillary is losing/has lost her grip on the nomination, then they'll disregard her as a serious candidate. Then it IS over for her.


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Re: Hillary [Re: Sicilian Babe] #475960
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I was over at the debate location for tomorrow night earlier this afternoon. Judging by the list of Obama's people vs. Hillary's people, it certainly appears as if it is over for Mrs. Clinton. Or at least her people are preparing as if it will be over soon.

Re: Hillary [Re: Sicilian Babe] #475966
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 Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Although her campaign may be far from over, as Klyd correctly pointed out, BUT the perception that it is may just be enough to kill it. People want to back a winner, and if they sense that Hillary is losing/has lost her grip on the nomination, then they'll disregard her as a serious candidate. Then it IS over for her.


A very good point, and I believe this phenomenon is fueling the mainstreeam media's willingness to perform the last rites on her campaign. Many supporters deserted Bill Clinton, the comeback kid, in January, 1992 when reports were surfacing concerning extramarital relations. He won New Hampshire and recaptured momentum.

That's the scary thing about Hillary. She could win Texas and Ohio, cut into Obama's delegate lead, and look like a winner again. Victories next Tuesday would give her a bump in PA where she has held a stable lead (if we are to believe the pollsters), and if she wins PA, then -boom- she's the front runner and Obama is scrambling.

Re: Hillary [Re: Don Cardi] #475968
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 Originally Posted By: Don Cardi

Dick Morris! He called this perfectly wayyy before it all even began starting to unravel for her.



You mean the same "Loose" Dick Morris who wrote a book that basically made this argument that 2008 would be between Hillary and Condi Rice, w/ Hillary elected?

Right...

Re: Hillary [Re: SC] #475979
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God I wish George W. Bush was aloud to run again. I mean hes the best thing to happen to this country since his father was President!!!


See what happens to you when you watch too many "Rocky" and "Rambo" movies?


LOL!!!


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Re: Hillary [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #475989
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 Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
 Originally Posted By: Don Cardi

Dick Morris! He called this perfectly wayyy before it all even began starting to unravel for her.



You mean the same "Loose" Dick Morris who wrote a book that basically made this argument that 2008 would be between Hillary and Condi Rice, w/ Hillary elected?

Right...


Good point. Dick Morris has been on the warpath against the Clinton's since the end of Clinton's presidency. He wears his antipathy toward the Clintons on his sleeve. Also, what's the risk in saying that so snd so will lose an election? None. It's not predictive; it's simply an utterance.


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Re: Hillary [Re: olivant] #475990
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 Originally Posted By: olivant
 Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
 Originally Posted By: Don Cardi

Dick Morris! He called this perfectly wayyy before it all even began starting to unravel for her.



You mean the same "Loose" Dick Morris who wrote a book that basically made this argument that 2008 would be between Hillary and Condi Rice, w/ Hillary elected?

Right...


Good point. Dick Morris has been on the warpath against the Clinton's since the end of Clinton's presidency. He wears his antipathy toward the Clintons on his sleeve. Also, what's the risk in saying that so snd so will lose an election? None. It's not predictive; it's simply an utterance.


As much as I share Dick's hatred of the Clintons, his problem is that he got his ass busted for nailing some pussy openly on the side, and Clinton (a hypocrite) fired him.

Re: Hillary [Re: pizzaboy] #475995
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Hillary Clinton continues to self-destruct. She continues to stay arrogant, divisive, cynical, bitter, and negative, distorting Obama's record and keeping her campaign in the gutter.


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Re: Hillary [Re: olivant] #476004
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 Originally Posted By: olivant

Dick Morris has been on the warpath against the Clinton's since the end of Clinton's presidency. He wears his antipathy toward the Clintons on his sleeve. Also, what's the risk in saying that so snd so will lose an election? None. It's not predictive; it's simply an utterance.


Absolutely true olivant. No question about it! But let's not forget that the same Dick Morris was "THE MAN" to the Clintons and the party when he was on board with them. ;\)

And it's not that he predicted or uttered that so and so would lose the election, it's how he specifically predicted that she would fall behind and how she would have a meltdown over it. He said this way before these primaries even started!

You cannot deny that he knows the Clinton's almost better than anyone else. Well maybe he don't know Bill better than Monica Lewinsky in certain areas, but you know what I mean. ;\)


 Originally Posted By: Saladbar
Hillary Clinton continues to self-destruct. She continues to stay arrogant, divisive, cynical, bitter, and negative, distorting Obama's record and keeping her campaign in the gutter.


You're 100% correct. From what I've seen so far, while she's been extremely arrogant, Obama has shown that he's able to stay even keeled, even tempered, focused on the issues and will not allow himself fall into her deceptive traps. On several occassions I've seen her use the tactic of comparing Obama to President Bush, and truthfully I think that kind of strategy has hurt her more than helped her. I think that she's turned many people off with her cynical and bitter type behavior.



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Re: Hillary [Re: Don Cardi] #476011
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I don't think her hubby is helping her either.


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Re: Hillary [Re: Saladbar] #476057
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 Originally Posted By: Saladbar
Hillary Clinton continues to self-destruct. She continues to stay arrogant, divisive, cynical, bitter, and negative, distorting Obama's record and keeping her campaign in the gutter.


She is desperately trying to find a tactic to use to effectively slow down Obama. She's changed her method of attack daily in the last few days looking to slow down Barack's head of steam. SHE'S DESPERATE.


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Re: Hillary [Re: SC] #476076
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If Obama wins one state next week, I think thats the whole show. Hillary seems to be coming apart at the seams, and with stuff now leaking that they are sending out fake pix of Obama dressed up in African clothing, it is clear they are desperate.

I noticed an interesting thing this weekend which imho summarizes what Obama means when he talks bout old Clinton style politics and his own. When the candidates each learned Nader had joined the race, something neither of them probably likes, Obama made some kind of non comment, and focused on his winning the race. Hillary in turn, went after Nader claiming he ruined Gore's chances in 2000, and thus ruine the United States' chance for the "greenest" president ever. Whle that premis has some marit, it is debatable. The point is she did not make a comment about how Nader would affect the race in '08, she felt it necessary to make a personal attack on Nader. Was that nreally necessary?


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Re: Hillary [Re: dontomasso] #476078
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 Originally Posted By: dontomasso
If Obama wins one state next week, I think thats the whole show. Hillary seems to be coming apart at the seams, and with stuff now leaking that they are sending out fake pix of Obama dressed up in African clothing, it is clear they are desperate.

..... she felt it necessary to make a personal attack on Nader. Was that nreally necessary?


This has been the kind of tactics that the Clinton's have used for years, from his running for governor, to President, to her running for Senator and now in a Presidential primary.

But what I think is happening is that even many of her own supporters, from the past, have begun to see her tactics for what they really are. They've grown tired of it. And on a whole I think that the American people have grown tired of the smear tactics and campaigns that have become somewhat of a strategy in politics in general over the past 15 or so years.

The American people, especially the youth of this country, are tired of it and want to hear HOW and WHAT the candidat him or herself is going to do for the country and the people and NOT what the oppostition cannot or has failed to do.

Obama and his people obviously see this and have done an excellent job in staying clear of the smear tactics and have not focused on what his opponents have NOT done but instead is out there telling people what he wants to do and believes can be done if he becomes President. And the people like this.



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Re: Hillary [Re: Don Cardi] #476089
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Several polls show Clinton still holding onto Ohio, but 2 latest polls now show her losing in Texas.

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Leaking that photo was despicable. It's not at all uncommon for a politician visiting a foreign country to don the local garb.

Name me a President who hasn't donned a dashiki while in Africa?

Of course, being that the candidate is black, she's trying to fuel a religious paranoia. She's repulsive and sickening. Unfortunately, she'll probably be Senator for life here in New York.

I agree with Don T. If he can manage a split next week, that's all she wrote.


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 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Leaking that photo was despicable. It's not at all uncommon for a politician visiting a foreign country to don the local garb.


Is there any evidence that it came from the Clinton camp besides the word of Matt Drudge, who has offered no method of verifying that it did indeed come from Clinton's people? I believe it to be a brilliant "twofer" smear - slime Obama and the Clinton camp at the same time. This definitely hurts Hillary among liberal Dems, and hurts Obama among crossover voters.

At least Obama's campaign is responding in a forceful way which indicates that Obama won't sit around with his thumb up his ass when he gets attacked by the Republicans later on.


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 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
She's repulsive and sickening. Unfortunately, she'll probably be Senator for life here in New York.


We need term limits. Not just for her but the rest of the pigs at the trough.


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Re: Hillary [Re: Saladbar] #476126
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 Originally Posted By: Saladbar
 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Leaking that photo was despicable. It's not at all uncommon for a politician visiting a foreign country to don the local garb.



At least Obama's campaign is responding in a forceful way which indicates that Obama won't sit around with his thumb up his ass when he gets attacked by the Republicans later on.


My thinking exactly, Salad. It shows his enemies that he "has a pair."


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 Originally Posted By: Mignon
 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
She's repulsive and sickening. Unfortunately, she'll probably be Senator for life here in New York.


We need term limits. Not just for her but the rest of the pigs at the trough.


Yes, Yes indeed.

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Don Smitty, Don Smitty. *sighs*

I support The 'Rack, but still. Honestly. Wow.


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 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Leaking that photo was despicable. It's not at all uncommon for a politician visiting a foreign country to don the local garb.


The Clinton camp released this picture of Obama (supposedly in his native garb):



.

The Obama camp then returned the favor and released this picture of Hillary in her native garb:



.

(Thanks to Jay Leno).


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[quote=Don CardiThis has been the kind of tactics that the Clinton's have used for years, from his running for governor, to President, to her running for Senator and now in a Presidential primary.

But what I think is happening is that even many of her own supporters, from the past, have begun to see her tactics for what they really are. They've grown tired of it. And on a whole I think that the American people have grown tired of the smear tactics and campaigns that have become somewhat of a strategy in politics in general over the past 15 or so years.
[/quote]

Amen to that DC. As one who supported Bill Clinton in the nineties I plead guilty to buying into some of their shenanigans, but I think there is blame on both sides for the politics of destruction. Certainly Atwater and Rove on the GOP side were as bad as Bill and Hillary, using attack and destroy as a political methind.

Anyway I think its dead and gone this cycle.

We got another peak at this mentality last night when Hillary falsely accused the press of always asking her the questions first and making that SNL remark. Not since Nixon have I seen a politician so filled with bitterness and self pity.

Much as she has turned me off, however, if by some fluke she slips through and wins the nomination, I'll still hold my nose and vote for her over McCain.

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