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Re: Hillary
[Re: pizzaboy]
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02/25/08 04:20 PM
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Her anger issues have never been more evident, she's become a very ugly person.Who's gonna be the poor bastard to tell her it's all over? And you know who called it from the get go? Who predicted that she wasn't going to have it as easy as she and Slick Willie were anticipating? Who said that she would eventually have a meltdown? Dick Morris! He called this perfectly wayyy before it all even began starting to unravel for her. This has quite the potential to turn out to be one of the most interesting Presidential races / elections in the history of our country.
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: Hillary
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02/25/08 04:28 PM
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Her anger issues have never been more evident, she's become a very ugly person.Who's gonna be the poor bastard to tell her it's all over? This has quite the potential to turn out to be one of the most interesting Presidential races / elections in the history of our country. Yeah, I agree. What's going to make it very interesting is that McCain's popularity seems to be very quietly creeping upward.
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Re: Hillary
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02/25/08 05:00 PM
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Although her campaign may be far from over, as Klyd correctly pointed out, BUT the perception that it is may just be enough to kill it. People want to back a winner, and if they sense that Hillary is losing/has lost her grip on the nomination, then they'll disregard her as a serious candidate. Then it IS over for her. A very good point, and I believe this phenomenon is fueling the mainstreeam media's willingness to perform the last rites on her campaign. Many supporters deserted Bill Clinton, the comeback kid, in January, 1992 when reports were surfacing concerning extramarital relations. He won New Hampshire and recaptured momentum. That's the scary thing about Hillary. She could win Texas and Ohio, cut into Obama's delegate lead, and look like a winner again. Victories next Tuesday would give her a bump in PA where she has held a stable lead (if we are to believe the pollsters), and if she wins PA, then -boom- she's the front runner and Obama is scrambling.
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Re: Hillary
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02/25/08 05:35 PM
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Dick Morris! He called this perfectly wayyy before it all even began starting to unravel for her.
You mean the same "Loose" Dick Morris who wrote a book that basically made this argument that 2008 would be between Hillary and Condi Rice, w/ Hillary elected? Right... Good point. Dick Morris has been on the warpath against the Clinton's since the end of Clinton's presidency. He wears his antipathy toward the Clintons on his sleeve. Also, what's the risk in saying that so snd so will lose an election? None. It's not predictive; it's simply an utterance.
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Re: Hillary
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02/25/08 05:40 PM
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Dick Morris! He called this perfectly wayyy before it all even began starting to unravel for her.
You mean the same "Loose" Dick Morris who wrote a book that basically made this argument that 2008 would be between Hillary and Condi Rice, w/ Hillary elected? Right... Good point. Dick Morris has been on the warpath against the Clinton's since the end of Clinton's presidency. He wears his antipathy toward the Clintons on his sleeve. Also, what's the risk in saying that so snd so will lose an election? None. It's not predictive; it's simply an utterance. As much as I share Dick's hatred of the Clintons, his problem is that he got his ass busted for nailing some pussy openly on the side, and Clinton (a hypocrite) fired him.
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Re: Hillary
[Re: olivant]
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02/25/08 06:49 PM
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Dick Morris has been on the warpath against the Clinton's since the end of Clinton's presidency. He wears his antipathy toward the Clintons on his sleeve. Also, what's the risk in saying that so snd so will lose an election? None. It's not predictive; it's simply an utterance.
Absolutely true olivant. No question about it! But let's not forget that the same Dick Morris was "THE MAN" to the Clintons and the party when he was on board with them. And it's not that he predicted or uttered that so and so would lose the election, it's how he specifically predicted that she would fall behind and how she would have a meltdown over it. He said this way before these primaries even started! You cannot deny that he knows the Clinton's almost better than anyone else. Well maybe he don't know Bill better than Monica Lewinsky in certain areas, but you know what I mean. Hillary Clinton continues to self-destruct. She continues to stay arrogant, divisive, cynical, bitter, and negative, distorting Obama's record and keeping her campaign in the gutter. You're 100% correct. From what I've seen so far, while she's been extremely arrogant, Obama has shown that he's able to stay even keeled, even tempered, focused on the issues and will not allow himself fall into her deceptive traps. On several occassions I've seen her use the tactic of comparing Obama to President Bush, and truthfully I think that kind of strategy has hurt her more than helped her. I think that she's turned many people off with her cynical and bitter type behavior.
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: Hillary
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02/26/08 04:18 AM
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Hillary Clinton continues to self-destruct. She continues to stay arrogant, divisive, cynical, bitter, and negative, distorting Obama's record and keeping her campaign in the gutter. She is desperately trying to find a tactic to use to effectively slow down Obama. She's changed her method of attack daily in the last few days looking to slow down Barack's head of steam. SHE'S DESPERATE.
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Re: Hillary
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02/26/08 09:01 AM
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If Obama wins one state next week, I think thats the whole show. Hillary seems to be coming apart at the seams, and with stuff now leaking that they are sending out fake pix of Obama dressed up in African clothing, it is clear they are desperate.
I noticed an interesting thing this weekend which imho summarizes what Obama means when he talks bout old Clinton style politics and his own. When the candidates each learned Nader had joined the race, something neither of them probably likes, Obama made some kind of non comment, and focused on his winning the race. Hillary in turn, went after Nader claiming he ruined Gore's chances in 2000, and thus ruine the United States' chance for the "greenest" president ever. Whle that premis has some marit, it is debatable. The point is she did not make a comment about how Nader would affect the race in '08, she felt it necessary to make a personal attack on Nader. Was that nreally necessary?
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Re: Hillary
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02/26/08 09:52 AM
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If Obama wins one state next week, I think thats the whole show. Hillary seems to be coming apart at the seams, and with stuff now leaking that they are sending out fake pix of Obama dressed up in African clothing, it is clear they are desperate.
..... she felt it necessary to make a personal attack on Nader. Was that nreally necessary? This has been the kind of tactics that the Clinton's have used for years, from his running for governor, to President, to her running for Senator and now in a Presidential primary. But what I think is happening is that even many of her own supporters, from the past, have begun to see her tactics for what they really are. They've grown tired of it. And on a whole I think that the American people have grown tired of the smear tactics and campaigns that have become somewhat of a strategy in politics in general over the past 15 or so years. The American people, especially the youth of this country, are tired of it and want to hear HOW and WHAT the candidat him or herself is going to do for the country and the people and NOT what the oppostition cannot or has failed to do. Obama and his people obviously see this and have done an excellent job in staying clear of the smear tactics and have not focused on what his opponents have NOT done but instead is out there telling people what he wants to do and believes can be done if he becomes President. And the people like this.
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: Hillary
[Re: pizzaboy]
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02/26/08 12:58 PM
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Leaking that photo was despicable. It's not at all uncommon for a politician visiting a foreign country to don the local garb. Is there any evidence that it came from the Clinton camp besides the word of Matt Drudge, who has offered no method of verifying that it did indeed come from Clinton's people? I believe it to be a brilliant "twofer" smear - slime Obama and the Clinton camp at the same time. This definitely hurts Hillary among liberal Dems, and hurts Obama among crossover voters. At least Obama's campaign is responding in a forceful way which indicates that Obama won't sit around with his thumb up his ass when he gets attacked by the Republicans later on.
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Re: Hillary
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02/26/08 02:33 PM
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She's repulsive and sickening. Unfortunately, she'll probably be Senator for life here in New York. We need term limits. Not just for her but the rest of the pigs at the trough.
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Re: Hillary
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02/26/08 03:38 PM
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pizzaboy
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Leaking that photo was despicable. It's not at all uncommon for a politician visiting a foreign country to don the local garb. At least Obama's campaign is responding in a forceful way which indicates that Obama won't sit around with his thumb up his ass when he gets attacked by the Republicans later on. My thinking exactly, Salad. It shows his enemies that he "has a pair."
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Re: Hillary
[Re: pizzaboy]
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02/27/08 04:07 AM
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Leaking that photo was despicable. It's not at all uncommon for a politician visiting a foreign country to don the local garb. The Clinton camp released this picture of Obama (supposedly in his native garb): . The Obama camp then returned the favor and released this picture of Hillary in her native garb: . (Thanks to Jay Leno).
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Re: Hillary
[Re: Don Cardi]
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02/27/08 09:17 AM
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[quote=Don CardiThis has been the kind of tactics that the Clinton's have used for years, from his running for governor, to President, to her running for Senator and now in a Presidential primary.
But what I think is happening is that even many of her own supporters, from the past, have begun to see her tactics for what they really are. They've grown tired of it. And on a whole I think that the American people have grown tired of the smear tactics and campaigns that have become somewhat of a strategy in politics in general over the past 15 or so years. [/quote]
Amen to that DC. As one who supported Bill Clinton in the nineties I plead guilty to buying into some of their shenanigans, but I think there is blame on both sides for the politics of destruction. Certainly Atwater and Rove on the GOP side were as bad as Bill and Hillary, using attack and destroy as a political methind.
Anyway I think its dead and gone this cycle.
We got another peak at this mentality last night when Hillary falsely accused the press of always asking her the questions first and making that SNL remark. Not since Nixon have I seen a politician so filled with bitterness and self pity.
Much as she has turned me off, however, if by some fluke she slips through and wins the nomination, I'll still hold my nose and vote for her over McCain.
Last edited by dontomasso; 02/27/08 11:44 AM.
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