A Save is really worth 3 points: +8 for the save, and -5 for the privilege. (I still find that awkward ) The problem is a Botched Save (-5) + Loss (-6) in an inning or less of work where the guy is already getting penalized for ERs and hits and walks, etc, for him to lose the game to begin with. That's how relievers (and our stats) get into trouble.

A starter can pitch great into the 8th inning, then give up 1 run and lose it. He'll still get decent points, but not great points. A relieve (set-up guy OR closer) can pitch great for the first two batters, then fall apart, give up 1 run, botch the save, lose the game, and when it comes down to it, one bad pitch can nose-dive us into negative points!

In the end, it doesn't really matter because we're all playing with the exact same points system, but something just seems wrong....

But since Plaw and others put infinitely more time and energy into the points system than I have, I'll just keep my mouth shut.

that's the problem. I never liked a pitching line like that



it's a huge difference in the points scored by the pitcher, even though the pitcher has no control of it. now, if he pitches really bad, there will be ER enough to show for.

The way DS made changes it is now +8 for the save and -3 for the SVOP, so a save is worth 5 pts now instead of the 3 they were worth last year. However a hold is still worth only 1 pt. My point was that if we are making closers worth more why not setup men as well? Closers would be useless if the setup men didn't keep the game close enough for them to get a save. How often do starters really go 8 innings? Setup men are important, not as important as closers but we shouldn't widen the gap between the two.

It was nice last year when closers were frustrating to turn to a setup man for stability because there are some really good setup men out there.



Very true and very frustrating in the fantasy world as much as real life. That's just baseball.



I agree, sort of... we could set every single stat to +1, regardless of it being a HR or a BB. Since we are playing by the same rules it wouldn't matter. But we need to make the fantasy game as close to the real life importance as possible and I think setup men are just as (or almost as) important to the team as closers or starters because they can blow a game for the team as well.

Since both closers and setup men can take the same beating thanks to a loss, I think we should keep it close as far as points earned for saves and holds. Since a save is worth (after the math) 5 pts, maybe the hold category should be raised to 3? That still makes closers more important, but doesn't make setup men useless for the season.

I'll take it into consideration, BL. Any other suggestions guys?

Also, I know FC asked that the draft be moved back by 30 minutes. Anybody have any problems with that? (proposed draft time change from 6:00 to 6:30 pm Eastern)

6:30 is fine, as long as we're done by American Idol at 8

Max teams: 9

We have 6 already, is this subject to increase if necessary? What did we consider as too many, I forget: 14? 12?

fine with me.

Not feeling well? I'm a bit under the weather myself, but not nauseas

My wife watches American Idol every week. I watched most of the season when Daughtry was on, but that's about it. When he didn't win, I realized that show is about as real as the WWE.

That was a carry-over setting from last year. I'll change it to 12.

Cool. I can't leave work until 5:30 so pushing it back to 6:30 helps a lot.

Commissioner's Note
The draft time has been changed to 6:30 PM Eastern. Draft date remains the same (Wednesday, March 19th).

9 was perfect last year. All of the best players were gone in the draft but there were still some decent players that could help your team if someone was injured.

Can't I just join midway through the season? A-la Clemens?

If you want to retire, make this your final year... A-la Favre.

sorry for such a stupid question, but please someone help me here.

the league page shows only the final standings from last year and this warning: "League Renewal-Returning Commissioners: renew your league(s) from last season." and every link that I try to access takes me to this one: "The document you requested was not found".

I'm already logged in. what the hell is that?

There should be a link that says something like "Join a Private League" -- or try "Get Another Team"

or try logging out and then clicking the link DB provided on the first page. Then click "Sign up now" and it will ask you to sign in, then the next page click "Join League", then click "Join custom" etc...

thank you. BL hit it, I needed to log out and then go.

makes you wonder who's dumber, me or Yahoo website.

Cool, so now we're up to 7 people playing. I'm a little disappointed that a couple of other great members here on the board are too chicken to play with the rest of us. I won't name names though *CoughCough--DMC--Don Cardi--SnortCoughHork* <---- sorry about that... hairball.

EDIT: *Cough-DMC--DC-Cough* Go ahead, make your excuses.

Excuses? I'm trying to learn how to shave but no one will teach me

I feel like people are trying to make their bones here on this board by beating me at fantasy sports. That life is behind me, I'm a retired investor living on a pension.

I just want more people to play. The more the merrier. But now that you're retired I don't know how I'm going to make my bones. It's cool DMC, you don't have to play. I want you to because it was fun last year. It's still going to be fun anyway, so it's okay.

Fun? Yes. As MUCH fun? No

Let me think about it, I'm so used to football, since its one day a week, these daily games took so much out of me. But I'm young, I can make a comeback.

you can always use the "set it and forget it" strategy, DMC. I'm sure you won't just "forget it" and will still make the setting every now and then, but this is not salary cap!

well, I'm just trying to bring more people to the league, too.

Exactly

Anyone have any thoughts on raising Holds to +3 pts? It's still a lot less than a save but keeps setup men important, in my opinion.

Also, are we going to know the draft order early again this year? Or will we just go with Yahoo's rules of 30 minutes before the draft?

Too high.... Saves have a net value of 5 points with the potential of losing -3.

I remember reading in an article that "holds" actually aren't official MLB statistics yet. I know they appear in mlb.com box scores and such things but thry don't stand in the all time official MLB data it or something like that.

even giving 1 pts for them might be too much.

Well, the RP does enter the game in a Save situation, so it should be worth something...

See: Hold