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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: klydon1] #477369
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 Originally Posted By: klydon1
 Originally Posted By: Mignon
That's a funny thing about it TIS, I'm a registered Republican.


Any registered Democrats in the household? If not, some states allow voters to choose in what party's primarythey want to vote. I don't think Ohio permits that. My guess is that it was just as easy to blanket the entire voting population as it was to program the automated calls for just the registered Democrats.


I'm a registered Democrat in Ohio. I was asked this morning what ballot I wanted to declare under. It was interesting in my county. There were no electronic or butterfly ballots. It was like taking the standardized tests from grade school: filling in the oval next to the candidate/issue for which we were voting.

Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: goombah] #477395
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Same ballot here in Salem . Did you have to wait in line? I went right in no waiting.

Did you get alot of freezing rain in Cleveland today?


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Mignon] #477431
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 Originally Posted By: Mignon
That's a funny thing about it TIS, I'm a registered Republican.


Mig:

I'm a registered Democrat and we've been tracking you for years.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: olivant] #477436
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Well, if Hillary is the Democratic nominee....

John McCain will be our next American President.

Thanks Hillary supporters! \:D

Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #477438
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 Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
"According to the Library of Congress, whereas Mrs Clinton has authored 20 pieces of legislation in her time in the Senate, Mr Obama, in his first year alone, authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. Research shows that since entering the United States Senate, he has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1 096. Impressive numbers indeed!"

http://www.nationnews.com/editorial/308922464559390.php


Watch your step -- another pile of crap. I have received this similiar e-mail several times. By no means am I a Rodham supporter! However, this type of misinformation is even more misleading or dangerous than the emails about Obama being a Muslim or the pics of him in Arican garb. At least that crap, people can see through. The "so called" comparison of legislative accomplishment info flying around at least looks somewhat intelligent (until you do the research yourself and find it is full of shit). Shows you can post something on the web long enough someone wil run with it

Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: olivant] #477455
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 Originally Posted By: olivant
Mig:

I'm a registered Democrat and we've been tracking you for years.


\:o I've been stalked!!


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Mignon] #477463
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 Originally Posted By: Mignon
Goombah,
Same ballot here in Salem . Did you have to wait in line? I went right in no waiting.

Did you get alot of freezing rain in Cleveland today?


No line at 6:40 a.m.

Oodles of freezing rain. No power for most of the night and a huge portion of our backyard tree fell on some electrical wires. Nobody was hurt, thankfully.

Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: goombah] #477467
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Thank God nobody got hurt there.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Mignon] #477480
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but I was very impressed by Huckabee's humility in defeat last night. Now it looks like the Republicans will be united after all.

It seems Hillary didn't win by enough, because she's still roughly 100 delegates behind. Plus, Obama is winning the Texas caucus. That's a really weird system they have down there.

If this thing drags out much longer, the Dems may just have a hard time defeating a united Republican party. \:\/

I'm happy for McCain though, he seems to be a decent guy.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: pizzaboy] #477488
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McCain can consentrate on picking a VP and raising money while the Dems still have to fight it out huh?


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Mignon] #477504
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 Originally Posted By: Mignon
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Mig:

I'm a registered Democrat and we've been tracking you for years.


\:o I've been stalked!!


Well, let's just say we Democrats have been prudent. We'll send you some of the pictures we have and, perhaps, we can convince you to vote Democratic in the election.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: olivant] #477515
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Hillary ended up net gaining only 12 delegates last night, due to the fact that Obama made a bit of a comeback in winning the Texas caucuses. The delegate count is now Obama 1562, Clinton 1461. It takes 2025 to win the nomination.

I still think he'll win, I just hope it doesn't drag out too long, for the good of the party.



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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: pizzaboy] #477517
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Hilary will never give up, she doesn't care about the party she just wants to be president at any cost.




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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Longneck] #477518
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Well, you're right about that, Longneck.

However, she won't be able to argue with the math, should Obama get to 2025 first.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: pizzaboy] #477522
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She has no reason to stop now. She is going to win Pennsylvania (she is ahead and Fast Eddy Rendell will insure a victory), and she will go to the convention saying she won the "big states."

The sliming of Obama has begun with that picture of him in African garb and the muslim rumors. They are also going to pound him on his affiliation with that guy in Chicago who is going on trial for corruption....

The Clintons sliming someone for affiliating with unsavory characters reminds me of the line in GF III when Michael tells
Luchese his tactics are despicable and Luchese says, "That's quite an indictment coming from a Corleone."

McCain also has a nice trap set for Obama. A Year ago Obama said if the GOP nominee would run with public funds only he would do likewise. Of course since then they have changed the election rules allowing annonymously funded non-profits to advertise for whom they please, and a Supreme Court decision has
made it more difficult to control the messages these groups send out. Of course McCain would run on pubic funds, and he owuld let the GOP "swiftboat" Obama while claiming all the time he has nothing to do with it. McCain will try to make Mike Dukakis look like John Wayne compared to Obama.

To that end I like Howard Dean already going after McCain's ethics.

If Hillary gets the nomination, it will be WWIII between her and
McCain. RIght now she has some momentum, and Obama needs to stay
on message and keep giving speeches to big rallies, and ignore
the advice to tone it down. For the life of me I do not undertand why candidates get themselves in front runner positions and then listen to adviser who tell them not to be themselves.

The Dems in the general election, along with their surrogates will flood the airwaves with so many ads that half the population will think McCain's first name is Bush.



However it works out this is going to be one messy and hard fought election.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: dontomasso] #477526
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I still think the math is in his favor. She could win all the "big states," but without hitting the magic number of 2025, it's all in vain. I do agree that she won't stop under any circumstances. They may have to pull her cold, lifeeless body from the stage at the convention. Hey, whatever it takes.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: pizzaboy] #477529
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Well, for the first time in my voting life, the Pennsylvania Primary is going to be relevant. If we're to believe the several weekly polls, Clinton has held on to a lead of roughly 46-49% to 39-43%. That'll get a bit of a bump up this week. She'll carry PA, but she probably will have to win in convincing fashion. She's not dead yet.

Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: klydon1] #477530
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Did anybody see the document Tim Russert had that was purportedly from the Obama campaign? It was on MSNBC around midnight. The Obama staff allegedly handicapped the primaries months ago and were accurate about the 10 straight primary wins that he just had, plus that Hillary would win OH. I cannot remember the TX prediction.

I don't think Hillary is staying to purposely hurt the party. They're both getting hurt with the money being spent, but she's not down by a ton. If she were, then yes this would be for ego only. She is not out of it yet. Obama's campaign needs to regroup and go on the offensive to regain control if they want to deliver the KO punch.

Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: klydon1] #477531
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No, she's not dead by a longshot.

I just think she'll have to win more than just PA. And by landslides to boot.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: pizzaboy] #477534
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Don't you think that if she loses the nom. she will have all of these votes contested?


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Mignon] #477538
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 Originally Posted By: Mignon
Don't you think that if she loses the nom. she will have all of these votes contested?


I think if it ever got to that, the party leaders would finally put her in her place. I really think they're tired of the Clintons. I know I am.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Mignon] #477539
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 Originally Posted By: Mignon
Don't you think that if she loses the nom. she will have all of these votes contested?


She is making noise about Fla and Michigan. The real question is this: "Can a Clinton accept defeat with grace?" Don't answer, I already know.


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Well, I posted this before. If she were to get the nomination through party shenanigans, it would set back race relations in this country quite a bit.

Think about it. A black man wins it fair and square, then this white woman, with a shady past, steals the nomination. I think it could be riot inducing.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: goombah] #477548
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 Originally Posted By: goombah
Did anybody see the document Tim Russert had that was purportedly from the Obama campaign? It was on MSNBC around midnight. The Obama staff allegedly handicapped the primaries months ago and were accurate about the 10 straight primary wins that he just had, plus that Hillary would win OH. I cannot remember the TX prediction.


The Tx prediction was he would lose. He also predicts he will lose PA.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Mignon] #477552
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 Originally Posted By: Mignon
Don't you think that if she loses the nom. she will have all of these votes contested?


No. But I agree with goombah that it is too early for her to drop out. Rarely does a candidate (non-incumbent) get two legitimate shots to win the presidency, and she has devoted a lot of time, energy and hope, so I can't fault her. She's still in the hunt.

I bet the DNC didn't count on this being such a close race when they stripped Michigan and Florida of their delegates. That's over 200 delegates between them that won't have a voice in determining the nominee. Clinton would love to have them, especially since she would have likely garnered the majority of these.

Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: klydon1] #477571
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 Originally Posted By: klydon1

I bet the DNC didn't count on this being such a close race when they stripped Michigan and Florida of their delegates. That's over 200 delegates between them that won't have a voice in determining the nominee. Clinton would love to have them, especially since she would have likely garnered the majority of these.


I think the DNC grossly miscalculated the race. Why wasn't someone like Howard Dean screaming at the top of his lungs not to mess around by running the risk of losing those delegates? I think the party dropped the ball on this one instead of quashing the idea of holding the unapproved primaries.

Klydon - do you think PA will be close? I know you posted the latest polls, but what is the sense you are getting? I thought OH would be much closer than it turned out to be. I knew a fair number of people who were undecided until recently and then decided to vote for Obama. I thought the end result in OH would have been a 2-3 point Clinton victory. So what do I know?

Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: goombah] #477574
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I still don't understand how Obama won the Texas caucuses, even though she won the primary. He actually ended up with more delegates than she did down there.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy about it, just confused.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Longneck] #477578
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 Originally Posted By: Longneck
Hilary will never give up, she doesn't care about the party she just wants to be president at any cost.


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 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Well, I posted this before. If she were to get the nomination through party shenanigans, it would set back race relations in this country quite a bit.

Think about it. A black man wins it fair and square, then this white woman, with a shady past, steals the nomination. I think it could be riot inducing.


Indeed. The long history of white women stealing elections from half-black men. God, when will it end?


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: olivant] #477583
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 Originally Posted By: olivant
 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Well, I posted this before. If she were to get the nomination through party shenanigans, it would set back race relations in this country quite a bit.

Think about it. A black man wins it fair and square, then this white woman, with a shady past, steals the nomination. I think it could be riot inducing.


Indeed. The long history of white women stealing elections from half-black men. God, when will it end?


You live in Bushville, what do you care about race relations among the civilized?

Do your attempts at humor ever succeed?



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