Blib's right... but the Phils and Mutts have identical records going into the last day. If they both win or lose tomorrow, then I would think there would be a playoff game...

They're could be a wild card playoff game Tuesday too. If San Diego and Colorado lose, and the Mets and Phillies both win, then the loser of the Met/Phillie game plays San Diego on Tuesday to determine who gets the Wild Card. Now if Colorado wins, I'm not sure what would happen since 3 teams would then be tied for the WC.

Check out how crazy this might get:

NL East

If New York (88-73) and Philadelphia (88-73) finish with the same record, they would play a tiebreaker game Monday in Philadelphia.

Wild Card

In the event two teams tie for the wild card, Colorado (88-73) would host New York, Philadelphia or San Diego (89-72) in a tiebreaker; New York would host San Diego; and San Diego would host Philadelphia.

Three teams with same record

In the event New York, Philadelphia and San Diego finish with the same record, New York and Philadelphia would play a tiebreaker Monday at Philadelphia for the division title. The loser of that game would then play a wild-card tiebreaker Tuesday against San Diego.

Four teams with same record

If Colorado, New York and Philadelphia win Sunday and San Diego loses, all would finish 89-73. New York and Philadelphia would play the NL East tiebreaker Monday; the loser would play a three-team, two-day, wild-card tiebreaker with Colorado and San Diego on Tuesday and Wednesday. In that scenario, Colorado (the team with the best head-to-head record among the three teams in the wild-card tiebreaker) would get the choice of having a bye on Tuesday or playing both games at home.

Good start for Glavine...

I'm sensing some sarcasm here.

What a job the "genius" Rick Peterson has done with this pitching staff. I have a feeling Willie will be looking for a new job despite the fact it isn't his fault that most of his pitchers couldn't get anybody out for the last 2 months.

Its still a long time before the fat lady sings (but I can hear her clearing her throat already).

GO WASHINGTON!!!!

Well.... the fat bitch sang!

I know this was a tough way to end the season for Mets fans :(...but the champagne is flowing in my house tonight.

By the way, if the Mets and Phillies finished in a tie, there would have been a play-off game. If both teams would have clinched a play-off berth with a tie (division and wild card), the team with the better head-to-head would get the division and no play-off game would be necessary.

Congrats on your team's win, klydon.

Thanks, SC. It's been a 14 year drought for me. I'm not used to having something at stake in October.

Maybe it'll be a Phillie/Red Sox series. I would enjoy Schilling coming back to Philly more than Abreu returning.

Congratulations to the Mets for having a fine season even with a heartbreaking loss. I feel bad for Randolph even though my team benefited. We're usually the guys, who collapse.

Congrats Klyd.

Over in the playoff talk topic, several members have tried to attribute the Mets season ending collapse to a lack of leadership on David Wright's part, and the Phillies winning the division to the leadership of Jimmy Rollins.

I personally don't agree with either assessment. But I did not want to conitnue to hijack that topic with a debate about this, so I thought that I'd continue with it over here in this topic.

It all comes down to the lack of clutch pitching down the stretch by the Met pitching staff. If not for the horrible pitching, the Mets would have held onto the division lead and the Phils may have had a shot at the wildcard.

The Mets did NOT blow the division lead because of a lack of offense. They blew it because of pitching. Bottom line.

For heaven's sake they gave up over 30 runs in one series against the lowly Washington Nationals!

Some ERA's for September :

Glavine : 6.10

Maine : 5.53

Pelfry : 4.88

Humber : 7.71

Scott Schoeneweis : 4.70

Billy Wagner : 3.60 As A CLOSER!!!!



NOTE : And I am NOT trying to rain on the Phillie's or the Phillie fans Parade here. Congratulations to you all. You deserve it. I'm Just trying to make a point in response to what's been said about where the blame goes for the Mets season ending collapse.

I don't blame Wright for the collapse. A collapse as historic as the Mets' had to be team wide. Similarly, the Phillies' winning the NL East involved team wide contribution, and the most "valuable" (not necessarily the best) component of the team was Rollins.

He played in each of the 162 games, which increases his value to his team. He also went from the lead-off spot to the number three hole when Howard went down, and he drove in runs. He undoubtedly became the team leader as he challenged his teammates and stuck by his promise that the Phillies were the team to beat.

I think if voters were to decide only between Rollins and Wright, they would have to consider in the 7 crucial games down the stretch, the Phillies won all of them and Rollins hit .382 w/ 2 triples, 2 homers, 2 doubles, scored 6 and knocked in 6 while going 4 for 4 in SBs.

In the field, none of the other MVP contenders come close to Rollins, who committed only 11 errors in 162 games for a fielding percentage of .985.

While I admire Holliday's amazing year, and understand the arguments in his favor for MVP, he doesn't have great range. Sure, he got a big hit the other night in extra innings, but he misplayed a routine flyball into a double that allowed the Padres to tie it in the eighth, and his face first slide into home tells me he doesn't have a firm grip of the fundamentals of baserunning. I would say as an outfielder, he was average with the glove.

But if he wins the award, I wouldn't lose sleep.

The funny thing is if Chase Utley was the leading MVP candidate until he was hit by a pitch, broke his hand, and lost a month of the season.

Finally, there is no mathematical formula for determining MVP, which makes the debate so intriguing. DC had mentioned Andre Dawson's year for the Cubs, who were buried in last place in 1987. There was little doubt that he was the "best" player that year in the NL, but some have argued how "valuable" were his contributions (49 HRs, .287 and one of the best arms in the history of the game) when most of the games he played took place when the Cubs had no chance of winning the NL East. That year the Cardinals won the East and Ozzie Smith (.303 0HR and the best defensive SS ever) finished second and Cardinal Jack Clark (.286 35 HRs) finished third. It could have been argued that Jack Clark's 35 homers were more valuable than Dawson's 49. Another Clark (Will) of the NL West Champion Giants finished fifth in the votiing with 35 HRs and a .308 avg. I will note in passing that Dale Murphy that year hit .295 with 44 HRs, numbers very similar to Dawson, but finished 11th in the voting. It appears that while the voters weren't holding the bad team against Dawson, they held it against Murphy, whose Braves struggled in the NL West.

Sometime take a a look at the 1995 MVPs. Albert Belle clearly had the numbers in RBI, HR, and Avg. and his Indians won the division, but the MVP went to Mo Vaughn, who was a much nicer guy.

Also that year SS Barry Larkin beat out Dante Bichette, whose numbers were amazingly similar to fellow Rockie, Holliday.

Nice photos. As a Phillie fan, I tip my hat to the Rockies. They're hot and very good. I didn't expect the Phillies to get this far with the injuries to Utley, Hamels, Garcia, Lieber, etc.

I take consolation this year in knowing the team was resilient, never quit despite the odds, and, oh yeah, the Mets are our bitches.

Klyd, I don't believe that Just Lou posted those pics to rub your face in it. I believe that they he posted them for another Phillies fan on here who's had nothing constructive to say and only came out of his hole to post pics every time the Phils beat the Mets.

You on the other hand have been nothing but a gentleman who's talked with knowledge of the game, has shown class when winning, and has bowed out gracefully when losing.

So there would absolutely be no reason whatsoever for Lou or I to rub your face in it..................that was until you wrote

"the Mets are our bitches."

Now all bets are off. You drew first blood.

Do you happen to be a Flyers fan or an Eagles fan.......BITCH?

It doesn't make the pain of the biggest collapse in history go away, only winning a championship can come close to doing that. However, it sure was nice to see all of those broken hearts in the Philly dugout. Yesterday wasn't all good, though. I was really rooting for Piniella. Geez, Diamondbacks-Rockies, the network execs must be ready to jump.

enjoy these

Haha, those two Conan videos were great Freddie

Freddie, that is GREAT stuff Hysterical!

Happily, I am neither a Flyer or Eagle fan. Nor am I a Sixers fan.

I should have posted a smiley face to indicate that I was fooling around with Lou, whom I like very much. I remember Freddie posting the pictoures, and knew that Lou was ribbing him back.

Truth is, I don't have any bad feelings for the Mets or their fans. I don't hide the fact that it will likely be another 14 years before I can crow again, so I might as well have done it now.

Actually, there are two major leaguers, whom I know, and one is a Rockie, who had made tickets available to me in Philly that I couldn't use. So, I'll root now for Colorado in the NL. After all, we Phillie fans are their bitches now.

As a Met fan, I just want to thank Isaiah Thomas, James Dolan, George Steinbrenner and Joe Torre for taking us off the back page so fast. Kudos guys.

I can't wait, I can't wait, I can't wait, I can't wait, I can't wait.

I just hope the Mets have enough healthy players to field a team on opening day.

Yous sound like Joe Benigno, the most pessimistic Mets fan of all-time.

It's just a fact. Wright and Reyes are the only 2 healthy regulars right now.

Okay, okay, I'm still giddy over the Giants.

That collision last week was awful. Reminded me of Beltran's.