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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: dontomasso] #477605
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 Originally Posted By: dontomasso

Of course McCain would run on pubic funds, and he owuld let the GOP "swiftboat" Obama while claiming all the time he has nothing to do with it.


Do you think he'll ever run out of "pubic" funds, or does he even have such a worry at his ripe old age? ;\)

McCain will be 72 soon. The elderly have an important place in our society, but I don't want anybody that old making decisions regarding my family's safety and well-being. I can't believe this is the best the Republicans could come up with for a nominee.

For the record, McCain has already started swiftboating Obama. It's with some jackass conservative talk show host who keeps saying Barack "Hussein" Obama all the time. McCain has nothing to do with it? Yeah, right.

Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: pizzaboy] #477606
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 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
 Originally Posted By: olivant
 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Well, I posted this before. If she were to get the nomination through party shenanigans, it would set back race relations in this country quite a bit.

Think about it. A black man wins it fair and square, then this white woman, with a shady past, steals the nomination. I think it could be riot inducing.


Indeed. The long history of white women stealing elections from half-black men. God, when will it end?


You live in Bushville, what do you care about race relations among the civilized?

Do your attempts at humor ever succeed?



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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: dontomasso] #477608
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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: pizzaboy] #477611
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The talk-show host constantly referring to Obama as Hussein is a race-baiting misanthrope, undoubtedly from Texas. \:p


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: pizzaboy] #477616
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 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I still don't understand how Obama won the Texas caucuses, even though she won the primary. He actually ended up with more delegates than she did down there.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy about it, just confused.


What is the difference between a primary and a caucus?


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: goombah] #477617
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 Originally Posted By: goombah
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Klydon - do you think PA will be close? I know you posted the latest polls, but what is the sense you are getting? I thought OH would be much closer than it turned out to be. I knew a fair number of people who were undecided until recently and then decided to vote for Obama. I thought the end result in OH would have been a 2-3 point Clinton victory. So what do I know?


PA is a politically odd state, or I should say commonwealth. We have a Republican senator, who is pro-choice and a Democratic senator (a family friend), who is pro-life.

Clinton has been the front runner pretty much from day one. Obama has gained ground, but has been stuck 5-10% points behind. I think Clinton should win something like 53-46% with an edge of about 20 delegates. Hillary's father was from Scranton, and is buried there. She spent some years as a child in PA, I think. But that won't have much bearing.

I mentioned once before that my wife will vote for her, cancelling my Obama vote.

Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: klydon1] #477624
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Goombah, his age is a serious consideration. My mother moved in with us when she was a rather healthy 70 year old. In those first few years, she ended up having open-heart surgery, an abdominal aneurysm, and a bypass in her legs to improve circulation. The body can go downhill awfully fast at that age, and that's what frightens me about McCain.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #477625
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 Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Goombah, his age is a serious consideration. My mother moved in with us when she was a rather healthy 70 year old. In those first few years, she ended up having open-heart surgery, an abdominal aneurysm, and a bypass in her legs to improve circulation. The body can go downhill awfully fast at that age, and that's what frightens me about McCain.


All this means is that be better pick a good, capable VP.




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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Longneck] #477629
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Presidents, VPs and their wives all seem to live much longer lives than average Americans, don't they?

The last President to NOT live well into his 80's was LBJ, who lived to be 65.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: pizzaboy] #477645
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It actually makes sense. They are privileged, and receive the best medical care available. Chances are, unless they get cancer somehow, they probably will live longer. Wealth and health do seem to go together.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #477654
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Yeah, no doubt. Get rich, live longer. There's a definite correlation.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: pizzaboy] #477659
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Cheney's a prime example. Anyone else would have died after the first heart attack. Maybe he's too mean to die????


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #477661
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 Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Cheney's a prime example. Anyone else would have died after the first heart attack. Maybe he's too mean to die????


Well, then Nixon would still be alive.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #477673
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 Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
It actually makes sense. They are privileged, and receive the best medical care available. Chances are, unless they get cancer somehow, they probably will live longer. Wealth and health do seem to go together.


Or someone shoots them.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: olivant] #477675
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 Originally Posted By: olivant
 Originally Posted By: Mignon
 Originally Posted By: olivant
Mig:

I'm a registered Democrat and we've been tracking you for years.


\:o I've been stalked!!


Well, let's just say we Democrats have been prudent. We'll send you some of the pictures we have and, perhaps, we can convince you to vote Democratic in the election.


Should I be worried?? I hope I look good in them pics.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Mignon] #477716
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I can't believe Hillary took Ohio and Texas. Damn.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Mignon] #477720
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 Originally Posted By: Mignon
 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I still don't understand how Obama won the Texas caucuses, even though she won the primary. He actually ended up with more delegates than she did down there.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy about it, just confused.


What is the difference between a primary and a caucus?


Primary is an actual election in which voters go to the polls and vote for the candidate of their choice to represent their political party in a general election. A caucus on the other hand is much like a neighborhood gettogether. Political party members may literally meet at someone's house and argue and debate about which candidate to support. Then they vote.

Texas primary voters get to elect most of the delegates by State senatorial districts (31). About 25% of the delegates are selected through caucuses.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Patrick] #477721
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I am probably the only one on the board that doesn't hate Hillary \:D For some reason people think Obama will do miracles for the country \:\)

Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: svsg] #477724
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 Originally Posted By: svsg
I am probably the only one on the board that doesn't hate Hillary \:D For some reason people think Obama will do miracles for the country \:\)


I early voted for Hillary.

It's a mystery why people seem to forget about a little organization called the US Congress.

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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: svsg] #477741
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 Originally Posted By: svsg
I am probably the only one on the board that doesn't hate Hillary \:D For some reason people think Obama will do miracles for the country \:\)


I don't hate Hillary. I think she's an intelligent, aggressive woman, and it angers me that she gets a bad rep for having those identical qualities that they would find admirable in a man.

As for Obama, I think people see him as the alternative to the "same old, same old". They view McCain and Clinton as part of the "system" and think that Obama will be a maverick.

Anybody has to be an improvement to that President Bush, who is so unconcerned about what he's done to this country, he was tap-dancing for the press corps yesterday.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #477744
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I don't hate Hillary, either. I just think she will unify the Republicans and, if the nominee, will be tougher for the Dems to beat a very mediocre Republican nominee. Many Ohio Republicans switched to vote as independent on Tuesday for Hillary, so they could try to get her as the Dem's nominee.

Back to my earlier point re: McCain's age, I did not mean it as a putdown per se. But I would not, will not, and have not voted for somebody that old to be president. In addition to the physical problems that Sicilian Babe mentioned, there are serious worries about his mind slipping.

I hope McCain does many photo ops and links himself more publicly to George Bush. That can only help whoever the Democratic nominee ends up to be.

A comedian I heard on the way to work had a funny dig on McCain: "Tell us what is was like to actually sign the Declaration of Independence for our country."

Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #477746
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 Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
she gets a bad rep for having those identical qualities that they would find admirable in a man.
I feel that too.

Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: svsg] #477751
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 Originally Posted By: svsg
I am probably the only one on the board that doesn't hate Hillary \:D


I hope she dies of hemorrhoids.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: pizzaboy] #477762
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 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
 Originally Posted By: svsg
I am probably the only one on the board that doesn't hate Hillary \:D


I hope she dies of hemorrhoids.

That is true love \:D

Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: svsg] #477763
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Yes, a misdirected crush.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #477787
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 Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe


I don't hate Hillary. I think she's an intelligent, aggressive woman, and it angers me that she gets a bad rep for having those identical qualities that they would find admirable in a man.


Jeez SB, Seems I quote you more than anyone else! \:p

I think Hilary is fake, constantly takes cheap shots at Obama, and I just can't stand her. She brings up Tony Rezko and Obama and tries to link them together when Obama has done nothing wrong. Has she forgotten about Whitewater?

I don't admire that in anyone.

I liked McCain a lot more before he started trying to get the far right on his side. Would they seriously vote Democrat? Bah.




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Good men through the ages, Trying to find the sun;
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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Longneck] #477797
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 Originally Posted By: Longneck

Jeez SB, Seems I quote you more than anyone else! \:p



Not sure if you meant that as a compliment or not.

So, she's willing to play dirty?? Geez, it's not like that's every happened in a presidential race before.

FWIW, I don't like to see that kind of race being run. However, I do feel that she's being held to a double standard. It's been done this way for years. Why SHOULD she have to play by a different set of rules?

I'm not saying I'm going to vote for her, but I sure as hell don't think that just because she's a woman, she should be considered any differently than any other candidate.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #477817
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I, for one, don't dislike her because she's a woman. Actually, I think the jury is still out on that .

I actually didn't dislike her at all prior to these primaries. Maybe I just didn't see enough of her. From what I've seen of her lately, I just can't make myself like her enough to vote for her.

Then again, it's still relatively early, so we'll see.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: pizzaboy] #477820
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 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I, for one, don't dislike her because she's a woman. Actually, I think the jury is still out on that .


And that sort of comment is exactly what I mean. Because she's smart, aggressive and doesn't take any crap from anyone, she's labeled as "unfeminine". Yet these are qualities that are admired in a man.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #477821
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I don't like arrogance in a man either, Babe.


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