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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: pizzaboy] #477824
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PB, that wasn't necessarily directed personally at you, although now that I look back at it, it sure seems that way!

I don't think that her manner would be considered arrogant in a man. I think it's only because she IS a woman that she's perceived that way.

Like I said, I'm not president of the Hillary Fan Club or anything, but I do think that she's held to a double standard.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #477825
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That's okay, Babe.

If you remember, months ago I said that she'll be damned if she does, damned if she don't, because she's woman. So we're in agreement.

Politically, I think you and I are on the same page. At the end of the day, the important thing is that Bush's reign will soon be over.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #477826
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 Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
 Originally Posted By: Longneck

Jeez SB, Seems I quote you more than anyone else! \:p



Not sure if you meant that as a compliment or not.



I meant it as "I'm not trying to debate you on everything you say, but I seem to be."


I hate dirty campaigns it makes it hard to vote for someone who runs one. McCain and Huckabee didn't sling mud at each other. Romney was an arrogant bastard that makes snide comments. I'd probably vote Hilary over him.

Foster and Oberweis are fighting in Illinois and since my local news is Chicago's I get all the ads. They are both trying to make the other guy look bad and all that does is make both of them look bad.

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And that sort of comment is exactly what I mean. Because she's smart, aggressive and doesn't take any crap from anyone, she's labeled as "unfeminine". Yet these are qualities that are admired in a man.


Yes, for men it's masculine, macho. In a woman it's "butch". It goes like that both ways. What do you think of when you think of a feminine man?

But I haven't heard or seen anything that leads me to believe that the Majority of people are judging Hilary based on her sex.




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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: pizzaboy] #477827
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 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
At the end of the day, the important thing is that Bush's reign will soon be over.


You mean that tap-dancing fool who doesn't know the price of a gallon of gasoline?? Not soon enough.

I have to tell you, not to hijack this thread (well, only for a minute), but his response to that was such a slap in the face. With people drowning to pay their energy bills and to commute to work every day, how could he be that oblivious??


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #477828
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He's a fucking moron.

Ten months to go.

Let's just hope he doesn't blow up a third world country for spite between now and then.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #477830
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 Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
At the end of the day, the important thing is that Bush's reign will soon be over.


You mean that tap-dancing fool who doesn't know the price of a gallon of gasoline?? Not soon enough.

I have to tell you, not to hijack this thread (well, only for a minute), but his response to that was such a slap in the face. With people drowning to pay their energy bills and to commute to work every day, how could he be that oblivious??


When's the last time you think Bush pumped gas?

SC, don't even say it \:p

He's rich and isolated from regular people living regular lives. He's so out of touch with what's going on in "the real world"




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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: pizzaboy] #477834
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LN, I do think so. When she was First Lady, remember all the lesbian rumors?? And now that she's running for office, she's labeled unemotional. However, when she had a catch in her voice one night (and it wasn't much more than that), it was blasted all over as "Hillary's breakdown". I don't think she'd be labeled as unemotional.

As for Huckabee and McCain, why would Huckabee bother? McCain had such a ridiculous lead over him, there was no point in taking swipes. Hillary's in the fight of her political life, and she's doing what she feels she has to do. Not that I think it's the smart thing to do, but I believe that's her motivation.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #477844
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There would be rumors for a femininate man as well.

The "crying" thing I agree with you on. I clicked to see what she was crying about and I didn't see any crying at all! Stupid media...

After Iowa Huckabee had the lead, if he wanted to get negative he could have.




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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: goombah] #477846
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 Originally Posted By: goombah
I don't hate Hillary, either. I just think she will unify the Republicans and, if the nominee, will be tougher for the Dems to beat a very mediocre Republican nominee. Many Ohio Republicans switched to vote as independent on Tuesday for Hillary, so they could try to get her as the Dem's nominee.

Back to my earlier point re: McCain's age, I did not mean it as a putdown per se. But I would not, will not, and have not voted for somebody that old to be president. In addition to the physical problems that Sicilian Babe mentioned, there are serious worries about his mind slipping.

I hope McCain does many photo ops and links himself more publicly to George Bush. That can only help whoever the Democratic nominee ends up to be.

A comedian I heard on the way to work had a funny dig on McCain: "Tell us what is was like to actually sign the Declaration of Independence for our country."


What Democratic Party candidate doesn't stand a real good chance of uniting the Republican Party? However, I just heard Ann Coulter on MSNBC state again as she did on Sean Hannity's show that she thinks Hillary is smarter than McCain and more conservative.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: olivant] #477847
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Far be it from me to agree with Ann Coulter (she's a walking, talking excuse for assisted suicide if ever there was one), but Clinton probably is more conservative than McCain.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: olivant] #477859
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 Originally Posted By: olivant

What Democratic Party candidate doesn't stand a real good chance of uniting the Republican Party? However, I just heard Ann Coulter on MSNBC state again as she did on Sean Hannity's show that she thinks Hillary is smarter than McCain and more conservative.


Come on. The radical conservatives have a special loathing for the Clintons over other Democrats. Look at the millions of taxpayer dollars they wasted on investigating Whitewater and impeaching Clinton over a stained dress with a fat intern.

Sure the Republicans will unite their base to go after Obama if he is the nominee, but nowhere near the venom they have displayed and would display if Hillary is the nominee.

Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: goombah] #477866
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I don't have a problem with Hillary's campaign, and feel that it has been cleaner than most. Considering the closeness of the race, I would expect more finger pointing from the candidates.
I think SB hit the nail on the head when she characterized the fact that she is in the political fight of her life. I would expect her to campaign zealously, and frankly I'd think less of her as a potential leader if she didn't.

The fact is that she and Obama have more in common than not, and it is their responsibility to illuminate their differences to the voting public, and this is done often through pointed hyperbole. i don't have a problem with her voicing out on Obama's inexperience and pointing out that eloquence doesn't necessarily mean substance. This just raises the debate and compels a response.

What people call dissension between the candidates is just democracy in action. It will leave no scars, and I have no doubt that Obama and Clinton will be fine after the nomination.

Our history is filled with dirty campaigns. This isn't one of them.

By the way, my doubts about Hillary are based in the mysterious 1996 appearance of her legal billing records in the White House after they were "missing" and coulcn't be found for two years.

Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: pizzaboy] #478000
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 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Far be it from me to agree with Ann Coulter (she's a walking, talking excuse for assisted suicide if ever there was one), but Clinton probably is more conservative than McCain.


Considering how William Buckley HATED Coulter, you're not the only one.

What I don't get about Hillary supporters is, they blast Bush (rightly) for the stupid bullshit in his White House....yet Billary has bullshit follow them like moons to planets.

Besides, Hillary/McCain...that's two Republicans right there.

Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #478005
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 Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Far be it from me to agree with Ann Coulter (she's a walking, talking excuse for assisted suicide if ever there was one), but Clinton probably is more conservative than McCain.


Besides, Hillary/McCain...that's two Republicans right there.


I agree.

People like Coulter/Limbaugh/Savage aren't happy unless an inbred goober gets the Republican nomination, like what's his name? Oh yeah, President Bush.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Longneck] #478035
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 Originally Posted By: Longneck
He's rich and isolated from regular people living regular lives. He's so out of touch with what's going on in "the real world"


You could say that about all the Congress and Senate.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Mignon] #478036
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 Originally Posted By: Mignon
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He's rich and isolated from regular people living regular lives. He's so out of touch with what's going on in "the real world"


You could say that about all the Congress and Senate.


Pretty much.

Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #478041
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So I heard this is gonna come down to superdelegates no matter who wins what




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Good men through the ages, Trying to find the sun;
And I wonder, Still I wonder, Who'll stop the rain.

Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Longneck] #478052
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 Originally Posted By: olivant
Hillary is smarter than McCain and more conservative.


 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Clinton probably is more conservative than McCain.


 Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Hillary/McCain...that's two Republicans right there.


You mean they're all singing together at the old burning cross?? ;\)


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Longneck] #478078
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 Originally Posted By: Longneck
So I heard this is gonna come down to superdelegates no matter who wins what


I heard they might do the Michigan and Florida primaries over again.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Mignon] #478094
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 Originally Posted By: Mignon
 Originally Posted By: Longneck
So I heard this is gonna come down to superdelegates no matter who wins what


I heard they might do the Michigan and Florida primaries over again.


I heard some commentators rumbling over the possibilities, and I think it would be a terrible mistake for the DNC if they did this.

The decision was made prior to any of the primaries to strip these states of their Democratic delegates because they moved up their primary election dates against the written policy of the DNC. Whether that was fair or unfair is certainly debatable, but the Party set its rules, and the candidates understood this and ran their campaigns accordingly.

To change the rules of the game in the middle of the game is patently unfair, especially if the reason for the change is because the race is rather tight. By suddenly giving the right to these states to hold second primaries with a reinstatement of delegates gives the appearance that the DNC is looking to bolster the prospects of Clinton. Florida and Michigan knew they were risking their eligibility to seat delegates when they moved their primaries to a date earlier tha 2/5.

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 Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti
 Originally Posted By: olivant
Hillary is smarter than McCain and more conservative.


 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Clinton probably is more conservative than McCain.


 Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Hillary/McCain...that's two Republicans right there.


You mean they're all singing together at the old burning cross?? ;\)



That's not nice. That's like calling all Republicans racists, which is a pretty bigoted view to begin with.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: pizzaboy] #478125
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Hilary is a "monster" apparently.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: klydon1] #478144
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 Originally Posted By: klydon1
 Originally Posted By: Mignon
 Originally Posted By: Longneck
So I heard this is gonna come down to superdelegates no matter who wins what


I heard they might do the Michigan and Florida primaries over again.


I heard some commentators rumbling over the possibilities, and I think it would be a terrible mistake for the DNC if they did this.

The decision was made prior to any of the primaries to strip these states of their Democratic delegates because they moved up their primary election dates against the written policy of the DNC. Whether that was fair or unfair is certainly debatable, but the Party set its rules, and the candidates understood this and ran their campaigns accordingly.

To change the rules of the game in the middle of the game is patently unfair, especially if the reason for the change is because the race is rather tight. By suddenly giving the right to these states to hold second primaries with a reinstatement of delegates gives the appearance that the DNC is looking to bolster the prospects of Clinton. Florida and Michigan knew they were risking their eligibility to seat delegates when they moved their primaries to a date earlier tha 2/5.



You said it perfectly, Klydon. I could not agree more.

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Great post, Klyd.

That's my biggest fear, that if Hillary Clinton were to get the nomination in a manner that seems unfair to certain voters (namely black voters), it will tear the party apart.

If she wins fair and square, that's fine, and I mean that. But if she wins because they want to change the rules in the middle of the game, it's going to upset an awful lot of people in this country. Especially black Americans.


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Anyone see Larry David's blog in the Huffington Poat?


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 Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Anyone see Larry David's blog in the Huffington Poat?


I loved his response to the "red phone" ad, that Obama should respond with a picture of Hillary, with a voiceover saying, Does anyone want this nut answering the phone?

He's a riot.


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 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
 Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti
 Originally Posted By: olivant
Hillary is smarter than McCain and more conservative.


 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Clinton probably is more conservative than McCain.


 Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Hillary/McCain...that's two Republicans right there.


You mean they're all singing together at the old burning cross?? ;\)



That's not nice. That's like calling all Republicans racists, which is a pretty bigoted view to begin with.


Yes, pizzaboy, but comments like those above make me think that the dems and reps are uniting under the same color - and it's NOT red or blue. ;\)

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You know what ad Obama should make in reponse to Hillary's "3 AM" ad?

"It's 3 AM...do you know where the First Gentleman is?"

\:D

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 Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti
 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
 Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti
 Originally Posted By: olivant
Hillary is smarter than McCain and more conservative.


 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Clinton probably is more conservative than McCain.


 Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Hillary/McCain...that's two Republicans right there.


You mean they're all singing together at the old burning cross?? ;\)



That's not nice. That's like calling all Republicans racists, which is a pretty bigoted view to begin with.


Yes, pizzaboy, but comments like those above make me think that the dems and reps are uniting under the same color - and it's NOT red or blue. ;\)


Go WHITE! \:D

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 Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
You know what ad Obama should make in reponse to Hillary's "3 AM" ad?

"It's 3 AM...do you know where the First Gentleman is?"

\:D


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