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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #480117
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 Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Well, having someone that you've been linked with publicly saying things like "God damn America" and that our past actions caused September 11th can't be good for your campaign.


You mean like Rosie O'Donnell?


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: pizzaboy] #480119
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That pig. I never liked her much, and then she acted very, very badly at a local fundraiser, and I really started to loathe her.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #480415
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 Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Well, having someone that you've been linked with publicly saying things like "God damn America" and that our past actions caused September 11th can't be good for your campaign.


If people want to believe that Obama himself is running around despising his own mother among all the other "white' people because he goes to a church where a few particularly incindiary sound bites from the preacher were publicized then they are going to be predisposed not to trust Obama anyway.

We can fault him all we like for not recognizing that Wright would be a liability. But Obama has done the right thing. He has not repudiated the importance of his relationship with Mr. Wright, but has made it clear that he does not share all of Mr. Wright's political beliefs.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #480416
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 Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Well, she actually LIVED in the White House, met with foreign dignitaries, hosted dinners, traveled with the President, and so on. I believe that First Lady gives her some experience, albeit not what they're making it out to be.


Then Laura Bush should run for president.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Saladbar] #480418
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I think his speech today will be remembered in the same historical context that we remember Martin Luther King. It was that powerful.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: MaryCas] #480420
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 Originally Posted By: MaryCas
If Obama was viewed as having a platform of unifying America, this guy's comments can serve to polarize. It could be the toe-stub that Hillary has been waiting for. She's playing it cool now to see if the Reverend's comments will hurt Obama. It may take on a life of it's own and erode Obama's support. She can just sit back and let it happen.


Okay. I'll do some research on who Hillary's and McCain's pastor's are. I do believe McCain's pastor had mean remarks about Catholicism. Then we'll decide the presidency based on whose pastor is least wacky. To hell with the issues, this is the best way to choose don't you think?


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Saladbar] #480425
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 Originally Posted By: Saladbar
 Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Well, she actually LIVED in the White House, met with foreign dignitaries, hosted dinners, traveled with the President, and so on. I believe that First Lady gives her some experience, albeit not what they're making it out to be.


Then Laura Bush should run for president.


She probably would have done a better job than her husband.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #480433
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The latest state wide polls in PA show that Hillary has widened her lead to 53-43.

Obama's speech today was well delivered, but the fact is that he HAD to give it to explain himself and put out a potential fire. When you're explaining yourself, you're not swimming, but just trying to stay afloat.

By the way, while driving yesterday, I did something I never usually do...I listened to about 15 minutes of Hannity's take on the Reverend Wright issue. His rhetoric would be laughable if it weren't for the fact that lots of people buy into his crap.

Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: klydon1] #480451
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Yeah, she prolly will win PA. Having the support of Rendell and the new mayor in Philly definitely doesn't hurt.

Does anyone know the set date for that ABC News debate between Clinton and Obama in Philadelphia? I am definitely trying to go to that.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Patrick] #480480
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 Originally Posted By: Patrick
Yeah, she prolly will win PA. Having the support of Rendell and the new mayor in Philly definitely doesn't hurt.

Does anyone know the set date for that ABC News debate between Clinton and Obama in Philadelphia? I am definitely trying to go to that.


Shit, another goddamn debate?

Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #480482
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 Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
 Originally Posted By: Saladbar
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Well, she actually LIVED in the White House, met with foreign dignitaries, hosted dinners, traveled with the President, and so on. I believe that First Lady gives her some experience, albeit not what they're making it out to be.


Then Laura Bush should run for president.


She probably would have done a better job than her husband.


Probably the only figure within the White House that isn't corrupt or full of bullshit, or just outright incompetent.

But really, is First Lady really political experience? Does hosting tea parties and doing school readings amount to being a firm Commander-In-Chief?

Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: klydon1] #480483
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 Originally Posted By: klydon1
The latest state wide polls in PA show that Hillary has widened her lead to 53-43.

Obama's speech today was well delivered, but the fact is that he HAD to give it to explain himself and put out a potential fire. When you're explaining yourself, you're not swimming, but just trying to stay afloat.

By the way, while driving yesterday, I did something I never usually do...I listened to about 15 minutes of Hannity's take on the Reverend Wright issue. His rhetoric would be laughable if it weren't for the fact that lots of people buy into his crap.


Well, its Pennsylvania. They want a Republican President, may it be McCain or Hillary, so I don't care at this rate really. Philly not winning a title must have something to do with it, I guess.

The speech was well-done, and powerful. Yeah he had to give it, but better to DO IT NOW instead of not addressing it. "Checkers" saved Nixon's political career, and gave to voters in 1952 a human face. Ask Dukakis what happens when you DON'T address an issue.

So SB, which Republican candidate you prefer this year: McCain or Hillary?

Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #480491
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 Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Well, its Pennsylvania. They want a Republican President, may it be McCain or Hillary, so I don't care at this rate really. Philly not winning a title must have something to do with it, I guess.



Whether the eventual nominee is Obama or Clinton, I don't think McCain has a good shot at this point of carrying PA. Philly hasn't won a championship since 1983 unless you count Villanova in '85. I think you're on to something there. ;\)

The racial gap in the polls has widened too. 68% of White Democrats are for Hillary while Obama held a 76-18 margin among Black Pennsylvanian Democrats.

Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #480493
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Obama fully expects to lose Pennsylvania, he has from the get go.

If he can swing just 40% of the vote, because delegates are all relative, she won't "net gain" more than a handful of votes on the night.

Then it heads to Indiana, then back towards the south (North Carolina, West Virginia, Kentucky), where he's fully expected to win.

If it goes to the convention, he'll probably have a lead of at least 150-175 delegates. Although it's not the magic total of 2025, it's still a substantial enough lead for the Democratic Party to do the right thing and give him the nomination.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: pizzaboy] #480550
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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Mignon] #480553
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Oh, she'll never give up, Miggie. She'd rather give the election to McCain than see Obama win. No doubt.

Besides, that's from the NY Times, her pet paper.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: pizzaboy] #480635
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Once Michigan and Fla are resolved the superdelegates will meet and ordain Obama. You read it here first.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: dontomasso] #480641
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 Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Once Michigan and Fla are resolved the superdelegates will meet and ordain Obama. You read it here first.


You're not a war-time Consigliere, dontomasso. Things might get rough with the move-out we're trying in Iraq.

America will have 28 yrs of Bush-Clinton and like it.

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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: klydon1] #480645
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[/quote] Whether the eventual nominee is Obama or Clinton, I don't think McCain has a good shot at this point of carrying PA. Philly hasn't won a championship since 1983 unless you count Villanova in '85. I think you're on to something there. ;\)[/quote]

Why did you have to remind me?


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: BDuff] #480647
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 Originally Posted By: BDuff
[/quote] Whether the eventual nominee is Obama or Clinton, I don't think McCain has a good shot at this point of carrying PA. Philly hasn't won a championship since 1983 unless you count Villanova in '85. I think you're on to something there. ;\)


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #480668
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 Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
 Originally Posted By: klydon1
The latest state wide polls in PA show that Hillary has widened her lead to 53-43.

Obama's speech today was well delivered, but the fact is that he HAD to give it to explain himself and put out a potential fire. When you're explaining yourself, you're not swimming, but just trying to stay afloat.

By the way, while driving yesterday, I did something I never usually do...I listened to about 15 minutes of Hannity's take on the Reverend Wright issue. His rhetoric would be laughable if it weren't for the fact that lots of people buy into his crap.


Well, its Pennsylvania. They want a Republican President, may it be McCain or Hillary, so I don't care at this rate really. Philly not winning a title must have something to do with it, I guess.



We do not want a Republican President. I'd be shocked if PA went Republican in November.


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Obama only needs to surpass expectatins in Pa, and then split the remainaing states.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: Patrick] #480806
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 Originally Posted By: Patrick
 Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
 Originally Posted By: klydon1
The latest state wide polls in PA show that Hillary has widened her lead to 53-43.

Obama's speech today was well delivered, but the fact is that he HAD to give it to explain himself and put out a potential fire. When you're explaining yourself, you're not swimming, but just trying to stay afloat.

By the way, while driving yesterday, I did something I never usually do...I listened to about 15 minutes of Hannity's take on the Reverend Wright issue. His rhetoric would be laughable if it weren't for the fact that lots of people buy into his crap.


Well, its Pennsylvania. They want a Republican President, may it be McCain or Hillary, so I don't care at this rate really. Philly not winning a title must have something to do with it, I guess.



We do not want a Republican President. I'd be shocked if PA went Republican in November.


Me too. PA went Dem in 2000 & 2004.


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: olivant] #480845
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 Originally Posted By: olivant

Me too. PA went Dem in 2000 & 2004.


Last time PA went for a Republican presidential candidate was 1988.

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It was interesting to see how the networks handled the news about Obama's passport. MSNBC did an hour on it; Fox did a few minutes.


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Can FOX really be considered news?


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Re: Presidential Primaries 2008 [Re: pizzaboy] #480873
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Bill Richardson to endorse Obama.

That's pretty big news for him, and a real shot in the arm after the week he's had. Richardson is the only Hispanic Senator in the country (New Mexico). His endorsement might help swing Latino voters who are still "on the fence."

The most surprising part is that he's very close to the Clintons, who have to be reeling over his decision to back Obama.


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 Originally Posted By: olivant
It was interesting to see how the networks handled the news about Obama's passport. MSNBC did an hour on it; Fox did a few minutes.


Considering how the same thing happened to Bubba Clinton in 1992....I'm not shocked at all.

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 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Bill Richardson to endorse Obama.

That's pretty big news for him, and a real shot in the arm after the week he's had. Richardson is the only Hispanic Senator in the country (New Mexico). His endorsement might help swing Latino voters who are still "on the fence."

The most surprising part is that he's very close to the Clintons, who have to be reeling over his decision to back Obama.



Weeks back, when Richardson wasn't willing to endorse Hillary, she reportedly* yelled at him on the phone, saying: "Two presidential appointments wasn't good enough for ya?!?!?"

*=Courtesy NYT

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Some new poll claims that 20% of Democrats will defect to McCain if their candidate doesn't win the nomination.

Now, I understand why Obama supporters would defect if Hillary pulled a Ric Flair and stole the nomination from him. They would feel like the black Democrats would after the Clintons threw them under the bus.

But why Hillary supporters defect?

The more you hate an enemy, the more you become them...and Hillary is practically a Republican at this rate.

That's why if its Hillary/McCain, and our own Patrick votes for Hillary...

That'll be fucking hilarious.

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