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A Clockwork Orange
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I've been watching this film again lately and I had forgotten how damn good it is. I appreciate it so much more now. When I was a Teenager, obviously, I liked it cause of the violence etc. But this movie has so many metaphorical subtleties. I like how after the first part of the movie has passed, you find your self rooting for the little monster. Malcolm McDowell is Alex DeLarge. I've never seen him as anything else. Brilliant film.
Any other fans on here?
The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters. Cus D'Amato
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Re: A Clockwork Orange
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04/03/08 02:50 PM
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Among the notable predictions made by this work is the exploitation and "dumbing down" of our favorite music that would take place in the modern television age. In the torture scene with Alex, they play his favorite Beethoven pieces, but set them to images of Hitler and such and play them over and over and over again, until his favorite songs become the most vile thing he's ever heard. And that's exactly what would later happen with our favorite music as the television age advanced. A company like Huggies Diapers (for example) would buy the rights to Bill Haley's 'Rock Around The Clock' (for example) and play a segment and change the words a bit so as to correspond with advertising their diapers. We the television audience would hear and see this thing over and over again, until finally, the song had no meaning at all for us. It became synonymous with Huggies diapers. The music was essentially ruined forever.  A perfect example of this is the famous American Airlines commercial using the end of George Gershwin's 'Rhapsody in Blue'. It's one of the most famous pieces of music EVER, but the only thing that I can think of when I hear it is that stupid commercial!!!  A Clockwork Orange was conceived before most people had more than 2 or 3 television stations, so this was a very accurate Orwellian-type prediction. (And of course television is not the only form of media that has "watered down" music. Radio commercials/jingles, film, as well as sporting arenas all over the country have done their part to ruin our favorite music)
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Re: A Clockwork Orange
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Every-time I hear Singing in the rain, I don't picture Gene Kelly. I picture Alex doing his dirty evil deeds. For the past several years, I've slowly been working on a piece comparing Singin in the Rain and A Clockwork Orange. It's my belief that Singin in the Rain is a subtext in Kubrick's film. I need to finish reading A Clockwork Orange, the novel, however, before I can complete this piece.
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Re: A Clockwork Orange
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Every-time I hear Singing in the rain, I don't picture Gene Kelly. I picture Alex doing his dirty evil deeds. For the past several years, I've slowly been working on a piece comparing Singin in the Rain and A Clockwork Orange. It's my belief that Singin in the Rain is a subtext in Kubrick's film. I need to finish reading A Clockwork Orange, the novel, however, before I can complete this piece. Post it when you're done!
The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters. Cus D'Amato
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Re: A Clockwork Orange
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"What's it going to be then, eh?" The wit of Burgess's novel is (obviously) lost in translation, but Kubrick knows exactly how to adapt good literature and make a piece cinematic worthy ( Lolita, 2001). Great film, though it left out my favourite scene of the book: when Alex, Big Jew (talking inthithtently with hith lithp  ) and co. kill their new inmate. Such a hilarious and poignant scene, not to mention chilling and unforgettable; up there with scenes from Heller's Catch-22. And all that cal.
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Re: A Clockwork Orange
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04/07/08 04:57 PM
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Believe it or not, I have never seen Clockwork Orange.  Don't know exactly how it got by me. I do, however, remember the theater poster of a clownish looking character...was kind of creepy. I saw Easy Rider a couple years ago MC, and although I can appreciate it was an excellent movie of it's time, it just wasn't the same.  Still enjoyed the soundtrack though. TIS
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Re: A Clockwork Orange
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Huge fan. Have you read the book, whisper? It's easily one of my favorite novels of all time.
"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: A Clockwork Orange
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04/07/08 08:16 PM
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Hate to be redundant, but I affirm what everyone else has said. If DR. STRANGELOVE and 2001 made Kubrick a giant of his time, A CLOCKWORK ORANGE was the movie that cemented him as the Archbishop, you could say, of all American filmmakers, with well-regarded directors(and more popular, perhaps) themselves like Martin Scorsese and Steven Spielberg being at awe at their "master."
ACO is critical as well because it came from a time in American Cinema when such a movie could not only get a wide-release with a X-rating, but score Oscar nominations and break the piggy bank at the box-office*. Popular, misunderstood**, and still fucking great 37 something years later. "I've been cured alright."
*=I believe it was Warner Bros.' #2 biggest hit for a time, just behind George Stevens' GIANT.
**=Like Oliver Stone's NATURAL BORN KILLERS, anyone who leaves the movie only thinking how "cool" it was, missed the fucking point.
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Re: A Clockwork Orange
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04/08/08 11:44 AM
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Huge fan. Have you read the book, whisper? It's easily one of my favorite novels of all time. Nope haven't read the book yet. I've ordered it though, it's on it's way. This really is a must see movie. TIS, you should go out and hire it. It's layed with metaphorical meaning and the use of the music is amazing. Hey Ronnie, how about a review then eh Droogie?
The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters. Cus D'Amato
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Re: A Clockwork Orange
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04/08/08 03:10 PM
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Huge fan. Have you read the book, whisper? It's easily one of my favorite novels of all time. Nope haven't read the book yet. I've ordered it though, it's on it's way. This really is a must see movie. TIS, you should go out and hire it. It's layed with metaphorical meaning and the use of the music is amazing. Hey Ronnie, how about a review then eh Droogie? Mate, as soon as I can secure another screening, I will. I don't think I've seen the movie after the Millenium.
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Re: A Clockwork Orange
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05/07/08 12:22 PM
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Whisper, what's on the "special edition" that makes it special? Additional scenes? No, actually there were no additional scenes  The extras were, the making of ACO, which I enjoyed watching. Kubrick is a freak as well as a genius. Interviews with some of the cast members, a documentary on the impact it had (great doco) and a special dedication to Malcolm Mcdowell, which runs for about 45 minutes. He answers fans' questions for ACO and really explains the relationship he had with Kubrick and how he was heartbroken when Kubrick didn't continue his friendship with him as soon as the movie was completed. The documentary is great though, It delves into real life copy cat stories that were happening after it's release and how Kubrick and his wife received death threats, forcing Kubrick to take it off the shelves...and it stayed banned in the U.k until his death. I also finally received the novel today. Look forward to reading it.
The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters. Cus D'Amato
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Re: A Clockwork Orange
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05/07/08 01:18 PM
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Thanks, Whisper.  You'll enjoy the novel. One story I heard was that McDowell really did grab that cop by the balls in the scene where they're beating him up--and the cop's howls were all too real.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: A Clockwork Orange
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05/10/08 03:26 AM
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Got the special edition DVD today. Bloody great. That's awesome man. You just convinced me to buy the DVD. It's well worth it.
The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters. Cus D'Amato
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Re: A Clockwork Orange
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Oh and RonnierocketAGO, when you do get it and watch it, write a review for it brother!!
Keen to hear what your opinions of the film are now, as opposed to before the turn of the century when you last watched it.
The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters. Cus D'Amato
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