I just heard of this: Here it is.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20080715/cartoon20080715.gif

TIS

The BIG difference is that picture (below) was NOT on the cover of the magazine (National Review)... it was just a political cartoon:



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When somebody runs for this country's highest elective office he (or she) MUST expect some satiric attention. Nobody complained when The New Yorker ran a cover showing Obama in bed with Hillary at 3 A.M.:



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Where does the fine line between good taste and satire end and begin?

BTW - The New Yorker was plawrence's favorite magazine. I REALLY miss his input on a subject like this now.

I was thinking of that, SC. He used to submit stuff to them, and was totally pissed when they didn't accept it. He used to rant about how the ones they did accept were FAR inferior to his.

Oh yea,I can imagine if PLaw were here. I think he'd be defending NYer to the max. I miss him too. He'd be a great contributor here, no doubt.

I don't recall seeing the Obama/Clinton picture.

Anyway, I don't think the McCain cartoon is nearly as scathing as the Obama one, but you do bring up a good point SC. Where is the line, if there is one? Does it come down to, "WHEN is something like this "Slander?" (although I believe it's "Libel" when it's in print no?). If so, I don't know when that would be. Yet, I'm guessing the media can go nearly anywhere they want to, or more media sources would be more careful/worried what they printed.

Kly would probably be able to enlighten us on legal aspects, if any.


TIS

FYI,

Obama will be on Larry King tonight, and he's taking it like a champ. Here are some of his remarks:


"It's a cartoon ... and that's why we've got the First Amendment," Obama said. "And I think the American people are probably spending a little more time worrying about what's happening with the banking system and the housing market and what's happening in Iraq and Afghanistan, than a cartoon. So I haven't spent a lot of time thinking about it.

"I've seen and heard worse," he said. "I do think that, you know, in attempting to satirize something, they probably fueled some misconceptions about me instead. But, you know, that was their editorial
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/15/lkl.obama/index.html


TIS

OK. This is a little scary is you're a McCain supporter:

July 15, 2008
McCain again cites current events in 'Czechoslovakia'
Posted: 06:32 PM ET

From CNN Associate Political Editor Rebecca Sinderbrand

McCain again referred to the nation of Czechoslovakia, which no longer exists.

(CNN) – For the second time in two days, John McCain has referred to current events in “Czechoslovakia” – a country that officially ceased to exist in January of 1993.

“And I regret some of the recent behavior Russia that has exhibited, and I’ll be glad to talk about that later on including reduction in oil supplies to Czechoslovakia after they agreed with us on a missile defense system, etcetera,” said the presumptive Republican nominee at a New Mexico town hall Tuesday.

More than fifteen years ago, Czechoslovakia officially split into two nations – the Czech Republic and Slovakia.

On Monday, the Arizona senator made virtually the same statement about recent Russian moves that troubled him, citing that country’s attempt to reduce “the energy supplies to Czechoslovakia.”

Later that evening, McCain’s campaign sent reporters a statement on the issue, which quoted the Arizona senator calling the nation “the Czech Republic” twice

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I don't understand why a presidential candidate would refer to the first amendment as the reaason for a magazine cover or any speech, writing, or illustration. The free speech and press content of the first amendment is a constraint upon the lawmaking of the US Congress.

No, I disagree. Whether it's as intelligent as it assumes itself to be (I'm talking about satire in general, here, not this specific cartoon) is another matter, but satire operates on the grounds that some people are in on the joke; it's humour at the expense and probably ignorance of somebody else. Poor satire and good satire don't really exist; it's a meaningless criticism stemming from your own subjective viewpoint. That some people "get" this cartoon is proof alone that it (to them) didn't need to explain itself.

And if it tries/tried to manipulate its meaning from the viewpoint of the Right, it's the intellectual (political, therefore intellectual) shortcomings of the Right that makes this "poor satire". They won't care less; they were ignorant enough to take it literally in the first place, and so explaining the joke to them would prove difficult, whatever the case. People don't take well to being forced to look in the mirror at their own putrid selves; like everything else, they gild the image to their own tastes.

Never said depended on it, rather "fuels" it. Though the 'Obama is a Muslim' rumor alledgedly was spread by just ONE man Andy Martin, a former political opponent of Obama's, by publishing it in his little known Internet newspaper. He based this solely on Obama's father's name. A little known internet paper can make so many waves, what about a bigger one?

Jib Jab has another hilarious cartoon. Check it out.



TIS

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/07/jibjabs_latest.php

Remember the last President we elected who was also quite ignorant about his geopolitics?*

*=Want a clue? He's the personification of "vacumm of leadership" at the moment.

Evidently there's more to the Jesse Jackson "nuts" story (when Jackson was overheard to say that he'd like to cut off Obama's nuts). The local Fox news station is reporting that Jackson used the "N" word just after the "nuts" comment. They (Fox) supposedly did not want to release that info to the public because they felt that it would do damage to Jackson's public appeal. SUPPOSEDLY someone leaked that info without Fox's knowledge.

So, we have a story that became newsworthy (evidentally) but the network censored part of it because they felt it would do harm to the offending person??

Jackson has already issued an apology to Obama, Obama's wife and the American public.

His public appeal? This is the same guy who called New York "Hymietown." Now he goes and uses the "N" word. Bottom line for Jesse is IT'S OVER. Time for him to shut up and move aside.

What makes it worse is that he was one of the black leaders asking the music industry to stop using the "N" word in songs because of it's negative effect on youth.

No doubt SC. Jackson is a long time shake down artist who will go after any money making inndustry, make demands that outwardly appear to be on the side of justice, but which come with them an economic agenda what usually favors him.
As I have said before if Obama is elected (or maybe his being nominated is enough) shows that with the right education, ambition and brains anybody of any color can make it to the top in this country, and we don't need the Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons of the world making excuses for people. IN fact you could make a case that Jackson and Sharpton are the true racists.

Did anybody read or hear any portions of Obama's speech?? Keep in mind he was speaking to an African American crowd, but he has indicated in other interviews that it is true for all races. Anyway, basically he said that there are far two many "absent" fathers from the African American community and that they need to be responsible for their actions and involve themselves in their children's lives. I see absolutely no reason for JJ to oppose it.

There's been speculation that JJ is jealous, which may be true, but I really go with the opinion that this is a "new" time here in America and that Obama (much like Bill Cosby) is simply admitting the facts.

Political-wise it's probably a plus for Obama, who isn't, and I'm sure wouldn't want to be categorized as another JJ.

TIS

Speculation?

It's eating him alive. I read today that Jackson and Sharpton feel that Obama isn't "black" enough for their tastes. Well, sorry "Reverends," but no one is voting for a candidate with a rap sheet and a doo-rag on his head.

Two hypocritical, race baiting pieces of shit.

I agree with you PB. I guess my point is the JJ wouldn't "admit" to the jealousy.

Anyway, I hear further reports today that JJ used the "N" word also in this video. Can't confirm though. I have a feeling that this may be the beginning of the end of the JJ/Sharpton politics. Time will tell.


TIS

It really puts Obama in a tough spot because if he promises JJ and AS positions in the cabinet, he's going to piss off his moderate supporters. If he doesn't, he risks pissing off the inner city, low income black voters. I just hope to God that the Black community can finally see these two bums for what they are.

PB,

For whatever my opinion is worth, I highly, highly doubt he'd have either in his cabinet. I hadn't even given that consideration.

Also FWIW, I don't think he'll pick Hillary for VP either. I have a gut feeling it'll be Joe Biden. Like I say FWIW


TIS

Why would Obama have either dipshit in his Cabinet?

Besides, with the black voters, Obama is like JFK in 1960 with the Irish-Americans...they're in it to get him into the White House.

Besides, who they gonna vote for, McCain?

He wouldn't. Both Sharpton and Jackson are liabilities to Obama's political career. I'm sure Obama could up with someone more palatable to everyone if his intention is to pick a black man or woman for a cabinet post.

If Obama wins, will it still be called the White House?

Capo,

Obama will be visiting the UK (he's leaving today I think...for his overseas visit but don't know exactly when he'll be in the UK). I know you don't particularly follow our politics, but let us know, if you can, how he is received there ok??? We will have it all over the news here, but it'll be nice to get your prospective as a UK citizen.


TIS

He is partly white.

Can we keep the cheap shots out of this?

They can meet up with Bill Clinton and have a big "pity party."

All kidding aside, Don T. That's one of the reasons that I didn't like the Clintons: Their pandering to the likes of Jackson and Sharpton. But I can see why Chelsea likes them, because, you know, if my father ever got a blowjob from a fat intern, if he held hands with Jesse and prayed it would make it all better.