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Re: What the F*CK is Going on with Gas Prices?
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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07/15/08 05:49 PM
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Obviously the price hasn't been derived from supply and demand, as other prices are. I believe that's why people are angry. If bananas suddenly became $50 a bunch, then people would stop buying bananas. Eventually, the price would come down when the bananas were rotting in piles. However, we can live without bananas. Currently, we can't live without oil. We are dependent on it for too many things. There's no way we can stop buying it. We need to pave our roads, heat our homes, fuel our automobiles. We're emotional because we're frustrated.
That's why the answer is not more drilling. It's not more oil. We have no choice but to bring alternative fuels to the marketplace and make them readily affordable to the average consumer. I believe that our future depends on it. True enough. But bringing alternative fuels to market in sufficient quantities to satisfy demand will take years. Don't forget that to develop, market, and distribute alternative fuels takes infrastructure, transportation, and investment. Of course, it also takes machines and vehicles et al that can utilize those alternative fuels.
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Re: What the F*CK is Going on with Gas Prices?
[Re: olivant]
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07/15/08 06:07 PM
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True enough. But bringing alternative fuels to market in sufficient quantities to satisfy demand will take years. Don't forget that to develop, market, and distribute alternative fuels takes infrastructure, transportation, and investment. Of course, it also takes machines and vehicles et al that can utilize those alternative fuels.
Aw fuck it, lets give up and pay $10 a gallon for gas.
Long as I remember The rain been coming down. Clouds of Mystery pouring Confusion on the ground. Good men through the ages, Trying to find the sun; And I wonder, Still I wonder, Who'll stop the rain.
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Re: What the F*CK is Going on with Gas Prices?
[Re: MaryCas]
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07/16/08 01:58 AM
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Well, at least we've got it a lot better than our mortal enemy the Soviet Union. CdLCN, the Soviet Union? I thought they disbanded? Mortal Enemy? Sounds like the 1950s. (Not to transform this crucial but irrelevant to the topic at hand sub-point into a sub-thread, but..,) [ACTUALLY, yes, the Russian GOVERNMENT was at one time our mortal enemy, in that, they represented a diametric opposite to our own ideas of how the machinations of "free" government and commerce should function. There's a old saying that Russia is a land of many ruled by a few. That's b/c it was a feudalistic society who's ties to lineage and power date back centuries if not longer. If the oligarchs, land barons and tycoons of Russian's infrastructure had it's way in East Asia then half of the world would pretty much be ruled by a highly concentrated conglomeration, comprised of the "winners" of the Capitalist game in Asia, a competition which actually went into GAME OVER mode about 5 centuries ago. Instead, we stopped the "Communist" push in East Asia, which weakened the enemy, thus enabling their own ppl to end the centuries old reign of Feudal ties (somewhat figuratively speaking, that is). Let's not forget that Stalin and his goons managed to somehow, someway, murder about THREE times the number of ppl that Hitler did. The same regime that trained Dogs with explosives strapped on them to run under German tanks  ya, that's a true story... And I'm by no means trying to be a xenophobe here, but parts of the world were living in the medieval days about 50 yrs ago, as a few are still today. I mean, we all rip on the U.S b/c it's our right to. We watch Stephen Colbert and use George Bush toilet paper b/c it's healthy tribal behavior. But if our "mortal enemy" had their post-WWII vision implanted as opposed to the Western ideal, you can be sure the world today would be a starkly different place and I'll conjecturize here and say we would probably all be picking root-vegetables like our comrades. Basically, there would be a virtually infinite number of Russian principalities with populations of about 2,000 (perhaps 200) citizens, with nuclear weapon capability, who would constitute a large portion of the world's superpowers, and this is not favorable to anyone. Watch FFC's Patton again, man. Patton was right-on, we shouldn't have stopped before we got to Berlin, we should have rolled right on into Moscow and finished the war there.* If we had, it's quite plausible that there would never have been the East Asian wars (Nam, etc), no 'floating' Russian nuclear war heads today that might fall into the hands of someone bent on destroying U.S cities, as well as no Russian war in Afghanistan and thus...no C.I.A trained and armed Al-Queda carrying out 9-11. I've heard several comedians including Bill Maher use that line of thought in one of their bits, it's alarmingly funny b/c it's so frighteningly true. *= And we could have in fact quite 'conquered' them, not in the Russian or German sense of the word mind you, but just the same as we would have all been drinking vodka (owned by Germans) if the Nazis had won WWII, Russia would have been James Dean watching, McDonalds eating, 57 Chevy driving, surfing..(well, no surfing in Russia, aww), Rock n Roll listening, day-trading capitalist bastards like us but about 50 yrs earlier if we had the same conquering spirit of those darned Cossacks. ]
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Re: What the F*CK is Going on with Gas Prices?
[Re: Ice]
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07/16/08 10:47 PM
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Well, at least we've got it a lot better than our mortal enemy the Soviet Union. CdLCN, the Soviet Union? I thought they disbanded? Mortal Enemy? Sounds like the 1950s. (Not to transform this crucial but irrelevant to the topic at hand sub-point into a sub-thread, but..,) [ACTUALLY, yes, the Russian GOVERNMENT was at one time our mortal enemy, in that, they represented a diametric opposite to our own ideas of how the machinations of "free" government and commerce should function. There's a old saying that Russia is a land of many ruled by a few. That's b/c it was a feudalistic society who's ties to lineage and power date back centuries if not longer. If the oligarchs, land barons and tycoons of Russian's infrastructure had it's way in East Asia then half of the world would pretty much be ruled by a highly concentrated conglomeration, comprised of the "winners" of the Capitalist game in Asia, a competition which actually went into GAME OVER mode about 5 centuries ago. Instead, we stopped the "Communist" push in East Asia, which weakened the enemy, thus enabling their own ppl to end the centuries old reign of Feudal ties (somewhat figuratively speaking, that is). Let's not forget that Stalin and his goons managed to somehow, someway, murder about THREE times the number of ppl that Hitler did. The same regime that trained Dogs with explosives strapped on them to run under German tanks  ya, that's a true story... And I'm by no means trying to be a xenophobe here, but parts of the world were living in the medieval days about 50 yrs ago, as a few are still today. I mean, we all rip on the U.S b/c it's our right to. We watch Stephen Colbert and use George Bush toilet paper b/c it's healthy tribal behavior. But if our "mortal enemy" had their post-WWII vision implanted as opposed to the Western ideal, you can be sure the world today would be a starkly different place and I'll conjecturize here and say we would probably all be picking root-vegetables like our comrades. Basically, there would be a virtually infinite number of Russian principalities with populations of about 2,000 (perhaps 200) citizens, with nuclear weapon capability, who would constitute a large portion of the world's superpowers, and this is not favorable to anyone. Watch FFC's Patton again, man. Patton was right-on, we shouldn't have stopped before we got to Berlin, we should have rolled right on into Moscow and finished the war there.* If we had, it's quite plausible that there would never have been the East Asian wars (Nam, etc), no 'floating' Russian nuclear war heads today that might fall into the hands of someone bent on destroying U.S cities, as well as no Russian war in Afghanistan and thus...no C.I.A trained and armed Al-Queda carrying out 9-11. I've heard several comedians including Bill Maher use that line of thought in one of their bits, it's alarmingly funny b/c it's so frighteningly true. *= And we could have in fact quite 'conquered' them, not in the Russian or German sense of the word mind you, but just the same as we would have all been drinking vodka (owned by Germans) if the Nazis had won WWII, Russia would have been James Dean watching, McDonalds eating, 57 Chevy driving, surfing..(well, no surfing in Russia, aww), Rock n Roll listening, day-trading capitalist bastards like us but about 50 yrs earlier if we had the same conquering spirit of those darned Cossacks. ] Kudos!
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Re: What the F*CK is Going on with Gas Prices?
[Re: svsg]
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07/17/08 05:29 PM
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A lot of electricity is produced from burning coal. Electric cars are also an indirect dependence on fossil fuels, though not oil. It is not green, unless the electricity is hydro-electric (a big contributor depending on the country of production) or probably wind, geothermal, solar etc (which are far too small contributors). Both nuclear and coal-based electricity are not environment friendly by any chance. Green cities maybe, but not green in general. Agreed svsg, battery power is not perfect, but it's a big step. The increase in batteries also creates an environmental problem - disposal. Wind and water are the purest and solar is next. ATlantic City has a small windmill farm (6 I think). The state of NJ is trying to get windmill farms out in the ocean, but you can imagine the environmental challenge that will present.
Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, whoever humbles himself will be exalted - Matthew 23:12
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Re: What the F*CK is Going on with Gas Prices?
[Re: MaryCas]
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07/17/08 06:11 PM
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A lot of electricity is produced from burning coal. Electric cars are also an indirect dependence on fossil fuels, though not oil. It is not green, unless the electricity is hydro-electric (a big contributor depending on the country of production) or probably wind, geothermal, solar etc (which are far too small contributors). Both nuclear and coal-based electricity are not environment friendly by any chance. Green cities maybe, but not green in general. The state of NJ is trying to get windmill farms out in the ocean, but you can imagine the environmental challenge that will present. The state of New Jersey IS an environmental challenge. 
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Re: What the F*CK is Going on with Gas Prices?
[Re: MaryCas]
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07/19/08 03:10 PM
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Alaskans suffer nation's highest gasoline prices
By Yereth Rosen
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (Reuters) - Think you're feeling pain at the gas pump? Consider the residents of Lime Village, Alaska, an isolated Denaina Athabascan Indian community where gasoline prices have hit $8.55 a gallon. The price is severely curtailing movement around the interior Alaska village, where four-wheelers are sitting idle, said Ursula Graham, administrator for the Lime Village Traditional Council.
"Nobody's going on joy rides, that's for sure," Graham said.
Alaska, despite its status as a major crude oil producer, has the highest average gasoline prices of all U.S. states, according to the American Automobile Association. Alaska prices averaged $4.65 a gallon for regular gasoline on Friday, compared with a national average of $4.10, according to AAA.
Neal Fried, an economist with the Alaska department of labor, said the ironic situation reflects the hard reality that the state's small population hinders economies of scale and market competition.
"Even if you take all of Alaska into account, it's a pretty small marketplace," he said.
High oil prices have helped the state government, which relies on oil taxes, royalties and fees for at least 80 percent of its general operating revenue. Alaska reaped more than $10 billion in oil revenue in the just-completed fiscal year, double the oil revenue of the previous fiscal year.
Fried noted that North Slope oil development is bustling, which would not be the case if oil were $30 a barrel.
"There are more people working on the Slope than we've ever counted before," he said.
But high fuel prices pinch individual Alaskans, especially in rural areas with no outside road access, where shipments of petroleum products require extraordinary and costly efforts.
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Fuel that goes to Lime Village is sent 1,800 miles by barge from Anchorage to the southwestern Alaska hub of Bethel, transferred to another barge for a trip up then Kuskokwim River and then flown by small plane to its final destination. Of a representative sample of Alaska communities, Lime Village had the highest fuel prices, according to a recent University of Alaska Anchorage study.
Gov. Sarah Palin has proposed using some of Alaska's fat budget surplus to send one-time $1,200 energy-relief checks to all state residents, to suspend the state's 8 cent-per-gallon gasoline tax and other measures for immediate assistance.
The legislature is considering her request in an ongoing special session.
Meanwhile, in Lime Village, boat trips on the Stony River are fewer and more carefully planned. Villagers combine tasks such as checking fish nets and collecting firewood, Graham said.
One man even moved his fish camp, smokehouse and all, from an outer area to the midst of the village so that he could avoid the boat trip entirely.
Residents like the idea of a $1,200 payment from the state, Graham said. But long-term solutions remain elusive.
"Going back to dog teams is an option," she said. "It's kind of a joke, but not a joke."
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Re: What the F*CK is Going on with Gas Prices?
[Re: MaryCas]
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07/25/08 12:01 PM
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Motor vehicle fatalities are down 9% this year. "Experts" cite the decrease in driving (and speeding) - especially drunk driving- as a major reason. And this is due to the increase in gas prices.
Sounds like some convoluted reasoning, but hey, why not? WASHINGTON -- The high cost of gas may be hurting your bottom line, but it could also be a life saver. The authors of a new study said gas prices are causing driving declines that could result in one-third fewer auto deaths annually, with the most dramatic drop likely to be among teenage drivers. Professors at Harvard Medical School and the University of Alabama at Birmingham said they found that for every 10 percent increase in gas prices, there was a 2.3 percent percent decline in auto deaths. For drivers ages 15 to 17, the decline was 6 percent, and for ages 18 to 21, it was more than 3 percent. The study looked at fatalities from 1985 to 2006, when gas prices reached about $2.50 a gallon. With gas now averaging more than $4 per gallon, the study's author expected to see much greater drop, by about 1,000 deaths a month.
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