I supported McCain in 2000, voted more against Bush than I did for Kerry, and I'm supporting for Obama at this rate.
So in other words, you're going to go 0 for 3 in your recent Presidential picks.
Way to go.
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
Noonan, Murphy trash Palin on hot mike: 'It's over'
After a segment with NBC's Chuck Todd ended today, Republican consultant Mike Murphy and Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan were caught on a live mike ridiculing the choice of Sarah Palin.
"It's over," said Noonan, who then responded to a question of whether Palin is the most qualified Republican woman McCain could have chosen.
"The most qualified? No. I think they went for this — excuse me — political bullsh** about narratives," she said. "Every time Republicans do that ... because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at and they blow it."
Murphy chimed in:
"The greatness of McCain is no cynicism, and this is cynical."
Noonan's blunt call contrasted with her conflicted column today saying Palin "could become a transformative political presence."
"The Sarah Palin choice is really going to work, or really not going to work," Noonan wrote. "It's not going to be a little successful or a little not; it's not going to be a wash. She is either going to be magic or one of history's accidents. She is either going to be brilliant and groundbreaking, or will soon be the target of unattributed quotes by bitter staffers shifting blame in all the Making of the President 2008 books."
You know, that talk does bring up a good point....why wasn't Hutchinson picked?
Also, why didn't they bring this up on air? I'm sure that whole brief chat was more interesting in a political debate than whatever bullshit MSNBC was running last week in their less-than-stellar DNC coverage.
...You know, that talk does bring up a good point....why wasn't Hutchinson picked?...
The possibility of Hutchinson was batted around even before Palin was announced. I like her, but there really would've been no point to that selection; you then would've had FOUR currently serving U.S. Senators as the nominees of both major Parties. Yawn.
Whether it had been Palin or somebody else, putting a Governor on the ticket was a smart move by McCain.
Apple
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
Considering the low expectations, and with a media backlash over the Palin coverage, wanna bet that the pundits after tonight's VP speech say that she did pretty well?
Then again, when is the last time that a Presidential-nominee's speech was second fiddle to the VP speech?
...You know, that talk does bring up a good point....why wasn't Hutchinson picked?...
The possibility of Hutchinson was batted around even before Palin was announced. I like her, but there really would've been no point to that selection; you then would've had FOUR currently serving U.S. Senators as the nominees of both major Parties. Yawn.
Whether it had been Palin or somebody else, putting a Governor on the ticket was a smart move by McCain.
Apple
3 is good but not 4? I'm confused.
Really, I'm still baffled as to why Hutchinson was passed over. Did she turn it down?
Speaking of which, word is out unconfirmed that the National Enquirer, the same tabloid scum who busted open recently the Edwards sex scandal, and years earlier the Jesse Jackson lovechild, are now apparently onto a Palin affair. True or not, fuck if I know.
All this stuff of the same person at the same time is giving me a headache.
Even 3 isn't terrific. History shows that Senators don't always do well in Presidential elections. The last successful one was JFK (and even that's questionable since his father practically bought him the election).
Governors...Carter/Reagan/Clinton/GW Bush...have won the Presidency in recent years. 3 out of 4 of them were elected to second terms. By having the advantage of announcing his running mate after Obama, McCain made the smart move by selecting a Governor, someone with administrative experience, who has run a State. Kay Bailey Hutchinson, while a terrific Senator, would have done absolutely nothing for the McCain ticket.
Don't agree? We shall see... !!
Apple
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
Holy shit. It's now #1 on the CNN.com latest news!
Hot mic catches GOP strategists trashing Palin pick Posted: 08:15 PM ET
(CNN) – Prominent Republican analysts Peggy Noonan and Mike Murphy became the latest victims of an open microphone Wednesday, caught after a segment on MSNBC trashing John McCain's pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate.
Noonan, a Wall Street Journal columnist and former speechwriter for Ronald Reagan, and Murphy, a campaign strategist and onetime aide to John McCain, can both be heard expressing disbelief with the pick of Palin after they apparently thought they were in a commercial break.
“I come out of the blue swing-state governor world, Engler, Whitman, Thompson, Mitt Romney,” Murphy said during the mishap which has since been posted on YouTube. Murphy later flatly says of the pick, "It's not going to work."
Noonan is heard going even further, saying of the presidential race, "It's over."
"I think they went for this — excuse me– political bulls–t about narratives," Noonan also said. "Every time the Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it."
Murphy, who was a senior adviser to John McCain's 2000 presidential bid, also adds, "You know what's really the worst thing about it? The greatness of McCain is no cynicism, and this is cynical."
Noonan, Murphy trash Palin on hot mike: 'It's over'...
Yes, I heard this exchange, it was played on the radio station I listen to earlier this evening. The host then read a transcript since the audio wasn't the greatest.
I've always liked Peggy Noonan and she's certainly entitled to her opinion. However, I hope she's thoroughly embarrassed at this and if she isn't she should be.
Apple
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
Even 3 isn't terrific. History shows that Senators don't always do well in Presidential elections. The last successful one was JFK (and even that's questionable since his father practically bought him the election).
Governors...Carter/Reagan/Clinton/GW Bush...have won the Presidency in recent years. 3 out of 4 of them were elected to second terms. By having the advantage of announcing his running mate after Obama, McCain made the smart move by selecting a Governor, someone with administrative experience, who has run a State. Kay Bailey Hutchinson, while a terrific Senator, would have done absolutely nothing for the McCain ticket.
Don't agree? We shall see... !!
Apple
So you are using Jimmy Carter, the head of the 1976 Democratic ticket, to defend the back-up in 2008? Jimmy freakin Carter?
Shit, his 4 years is more "administrative experience" than your Palin, and guess what, just in case you forgot:
Carter as President SUCKED. OK, that peace deal was cool and all, but otherwise...yuck.
Sorry, I guess its a good argument and all, but when a Republican ends up having to use Carter...:D
Noonan, Murphy trash Palin on hot mike: 'It's over'...
Yes, I heard this exchange, it was played on the radio station I listen to earlier this evening. The host then read a transcript since the audio wasn't the greatest.
I've always liked Peggy Noonan and she's certainly entitled to her opinion. However, I hope she's thoroughly embarrassed at this and if she isn't she should be.
Apple
Pretty much, though I wonder what the reaction of her "boss" at WSJ in new owner Rupert Murdoch* will think of this.
*=Anyone heard that recent report that Murdoch's ultimate wish to end up owning the New York Times? Shit, imagine if the owner of Fox News owned the NYT as well.
Shit, who would conservatives use as the poster-child for MSM liberal bias, the LA Times? Pfft...
It's not quite as good as Rev Jessie wanting to cut Obama's nuts off.
Agree.
You know, that moment is sorta symbolic of how in the Age of the Obama, the political relevancy of folks like Jackson have grown lesser and lesser and lesser...
This is what I don't like about politics. It seems like many people just use it as an excuse to bash a different group of people. It should be about ideas. I'd hate to be labeled a Republican or a Democrat because of these people.
Long as I remember The rain been coming down. Clouds of Mystery pouring Confusion on the ground. Good men through the ages, Trying to find the sun; And I wonder, Still I wonder, Who'll stop the rain.
... So you are using Jimmy Carter, the head of the 1976 Democratic ticket, to defend the back-up in 2008? Jimmy freakin Carter?...
Funny you pulled up the one Gov. that DIDN'T get a second term as President. And we all know why.
However, he was defeated by another Governor.
I'm just saying that Governors have simply been more successful than Senators in Presidential elections. Not commenting on the performance of any of those past Chief Executives. Since John McCain is a sitting Senator, I think it was wise of him to choose a Governor as his running mate. Romney or Pawlenta would've been good, but safe choices...too similar to the 'safe' choice Obama made with plagarist Joe Biden.
With Palin, he's got a Governor, a maverick, a conservative...AND a woman who will kick ass!!!
Yay.
Don't agree??? We shall see....
Apple
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
... So you are using Jimmy Carter, the head of the 1976 Democratic ticket, to defend the back-up in 2008? Jimmy freakin Carter?...
Funny you pulled up the one Gov. that DIDN'T get a second term as President. And we all know why.
However, he was defeated by another Governor.
I'm just saying that Governors have simply been more successful than Senators in Presidential elections. Not commenting on the performance of any of those past Chief Executives. Since John McCain is a sitting Senator, I think it was wise of him to choose a Governor as his running mate. Romney or Pawlenta would've been good, but safe choices...too similar to the 'safe' choice Obama made with plagarist Joe Biden.
With Palin, he's got a Governor, a maverick, a conservative...AND a woman who will kick ass!!!
Yay.
Don't agree??? We shall see....
Apple
Speaking of plagarist, remember that report about a McCain speech on Georgia supposedly plagarized from Wikipedia?
As for your hypothesis....wasn't the bomb that was Dukakis a Governor too?
This is what I don't like about politics. It seems like many people just use it as an excuse to bash a different group of people. It should be about ideas. I'd hate to be labeled a Republican or a Democrat because of these people.
Sadly, it's the truth and which restricts free thinking on ideology.
Remember Pat Buchanan? Major conservative ideologue of the 1990s, even gave the 1992 RNC Keynote speech, and now he's "person non grata" with such ideologue rags like the National Review. Why?
Because he claimed that the Jewish-American "Israeli lobby" in America had WAY TOO MUCH influence on American foreign policy. To be honest, the guy is kooky at times but he has a point there. Maybe not totally agree, but he has a point.
But you know, to the Evangelical GOPers, you can't criticize Israel the holy land and so Buchanan was told to fuck off.
Strangely enough, Buchanan himself thinks the Palin pick will pay off.
I really wish Hunter S. Thompson was still around just to read what he'd be writing about this election. The democratic primaries would have been interesting to read as well.
Long as I remember The rain been coming down. Clouds of Mystery pouring Confusion on the ground. Good men through the ages, Trying to find the sun; And I wonder, Still I wonder, Who'll stop the rain.
I really wish Hunter S. Thompson was still around just to read what he'd be writing about this election. The democratic primaries would have been interesting to read as well.
Absolutely.
It's strange how perhaps the biggest Nixon hater of the 1970s, in his last days before his death, said that in retrospect, he would have voted for Nixon if it was between Nixon and Dubya.
Someone here on the BB was a huge Hunter Thompson fan. I should know who, but the name escapes me now. He had a H.T. quote in his signature I believe. You guys no who I mean???
Anyway, back to the topic. I just read that Obama will be on the O'Reilly Factor tomorrow???? And, on Countdown Monday (or Tuesday).
TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
Who is this Arkansas Bozo speaking now? Abraham Lincoln founded the Republican Party???
BTW - The GOPers are always boasting that Lincoln was one of them... how come the GOP didn't support Lincoln in his re-election campaign?
They did, but the "National Union Party" was a scheme to combine both Republican and Northern pro-war Democrats under the same tent, thus why Johnson was Lincoln's VP for '64.
And no, Lincoln didn't form the GOP. I'm sure the real founders of the 1850s, a criss-cross of anti-slavery disgruntled Whig/Democrats before Whig Lincoln discovered and join them would not be pleased with that statement.
Too funny. Has that gotten any press? I'm usually good at finding these type of things, and hadn't heard that one.
He had a H.T. quote in his signature I believe. You guys no who I mean???
And, on Countdown Monday (or Tuesday).
