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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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I also didn't like the term "community organizer" to describe what Obama did. How about the fact that, despite graduating at the top of his class from Harvard, he decided to give back to the community instead of joining a powerful Chicago law firm for a huge salary. They don't mention that. Instead, they mock that commitment to public service, unless it's their own. Both sides just feed us what we want to hear and then do what they want.
Dylan Matthew Moran born 10/30/12
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
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09/03/08 11:04 PM
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I also didn't like the term "community organizer" to describe what Obama did. How about the fact that, despite graduating at the top of his class from Harvard, he decided to give back to the community instead of joining a powerful Chicago law firm for a huge salary. They don't mention that. Instead, they mock that commitment to public service, unless it's their own. Both sides just feed us what we want to hear and then do what they want. I hate to be the one to break the news, but it's called Politics.
"Generosity. That was my first mistake."
"Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us."
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
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09/03/08 11:04 PM
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Tonight wasn't the test for Palin as she was in a room full of friends, who would cheer anything she said. Heck, they even cheered her promise to be an advocate for mentally disadvantaged children. And her husband, who wants to secede from the country, got a standing ovation. She did well as expected, and I liked her but I don't know that she can lead the country.
I've said before that the more I acquire experience, the less convinced I am that it is absolutely necessary. However, I think the Republicans are doing her a disservice by overstating and puffing up her qualifications as mayor and a brief tenure as governor of Alaska. Nobody's buying it, but we'll let her be judged on her merits. I'll give her a fair shot although the election will eventually come down to McCain and Obama, and I will vote for Obama.
By the way, as her family took the stage after the speech (and they are a good looking family), my attention was on the young man, who is now referred to as "Bristol's beau." I thought that only in America, can a young teenage high school hockey player from a remote town in Alaska knock up his girlfriend, and suddenly find himself on center stage with the presidential and vice-presidential candidate of a major party at their convention.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: olivant]
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09/03/08 11:38 PM
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I also didn't like the term "community organizer" to describe what Obama did. How about the fact that, despite graduating at the top of his class from Harvard, he decided to give back to the community instead of joining a powerful Chicago law firm for a huge salary. They don't mention that. Instead, they mock that commitment to public service, unless it's their own. Both sides just feed us what we want to hear and then do what they want. I hate to be the one to break the news, but it's called Politics. You don't say!! I never would've been able to figure that one out on my own. Thanks for the help.
Dylan Matthew Moran born 10/30/12
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Just Lou]
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09/04/08 08:42 AM
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My report card:
Rudy: "B". Would have gotten a B+ if he didn't stretch a 20 speech into 40 minutes, and of course bring up 9/11. Man, you must be grading on the curve. That was an absolutely TERRIBLE speech ESPECIALLY considering it was the party's keynote speech. Yeah, I might have to regrade that one. I thought he worked the room well, but it was pretty much just empty attacks. The lesser Keynote speech this year: Mark Warner or Rudy?
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: klydon1]
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09/04/08 09:00 AM
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ronnierocketAGO
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Tonight wasn't the test for Palin as she was in a room full of friends, who would cheer anything she said. Heck, they even cheered her promise to be an advocate for mentally disadvantaged children. And her husband, who wants to secede from the country, got a standing ovation. She did well as expected, and I liked her but I don't know that she can lead the country.
I've said before that the more I acquire experience, the less convinced I am that it is absolutely necessary. However, I think the Republicans are doing her a disservice by overstating and puffing up her qualifications as mayor and a brief tenure as governor of Alaska. Nobody's buying it, but we'll let her be judged on her merits. I'll give her a fair shot although the election will eventually come down to McCain and Obama, and I will vote for Obama. At worst, if McCain wins, she'll be an Agnew as in: (1) Attack Dog for White House (like most VPs are) (2) Irrelevant (3) A deterrent against impeaching the President. Then again, some people have joked (inappropriately) that Hillary should have been Obama's running mate, just because she would be a good insurance policy for him against a sniper bullet. By the way, as her family took the stage after the speech (and they are a good looking family), my attention was on the young man, who is now referred to as "Bristol's beau." I thought that only in America, can a young teenage high school hockey player from a remote town in Alaska knock up his girlfriend, and suddenly find himself on center stage with the presidential and vice-presidential candidate of a major party at their convention.
Yeah, though if this had happened 20-30 years ago, most of us probably would have laughed at it and thought that we was France and not America. Oh how times change.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
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09/04/08 09:15 AM
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Oh and Appleonya, you said that McCain didn't attack Obama for his lack of experience: McCain questions Obama’s judgment, experience By Jim Snyder Posted: 09/03/08 08:45 PM [ET] Nearly a week after Barack Obama questioned his judgment and temperament, Sen. John McCain fired back in an interview with ABC News, saying his opponent in the race for the presidency “doesn’t know how the world works.” “He has no knowledge or experience or judgment. [He] doesn’t know … how the world works nor how the military works,” the Arizona Republican said. “I do and I can lead and secure the peace.” ABC News anchor Charlie Gibson had asked McCain to respond to Obama’s charge, delivered in his nomination acceptance speech in Denver last week, that McCain likes to say he would follow Osama bin Laden to the gates of hell, “but he won’t even follow him to the cave where he lives.” Gibson also pressed McCain about his decision to select Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. Some news reports have raised questions about how thoroughly the campaign vetted Palin after details of her unmarried daughter’s pregnancy, her past support for congressional earmarks and other issues became public. McCain said Palin was “vetted by the people of Alaska,” and that she was “by far” the best candidate for the job. He also offered kind words to Obama, in addition to the criticism. “He has accomplished great things and he has motivated people and so — he loves his country, just as I do. It’s just the differences that we have.” http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/mccain-questions-obamas-judgment-experience-2008-09-03.html
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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09/04/08 09:22 AM
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Noonan Explains "It's Over!" Off-Air StatementWell, I just got mugged by the nature of modern media, and I wish it weren't my fault, but it is. Readers deserve an explanation, so I'm putting a new top on today's column and, with the forbearance of the Journal, here it is.
Wednesday afternoon, in a live MSNBC television panel hosted by NBC's political analyst Chuck Todd, and along with Republican strategist Mike Murphy, we discussed Sarah Palin's speech this evening to the Republican National Convention. I said she has to tell us in her speech who she is, what she believes, and why she's here. We spoke of Republican charges that the media has been unfair to Mrs. Palin, and I defended the view that while the media should investigate every quote and vote she's made, and look deeply into her career, it has been unjust in its treatment of her family circumstances, and deserved criticism for this.
When the segment was over and MSNBC was in commercial, Todd, Murphy and I continued our conversation, talking about the Palin choice overall. We were speaking informally, with some passion -- and into live mics. An audio tape of that conversation was sent, how or by whom I don't know, onto the internet. And within three hours I was receiving it from friends far and wide, asking me why I thought the McCain campaign is "over", as it says in the transcript of the conversation. Here I must plead some confusion. In our off-air conversation, I got on the subject of the leaders of the Republican party assuming, now, that whatever the base of the Republican party thinks is what America thinks. I made the case that this is no longer true, that party leaders seem to me stuck in the assumptions of 1988 and 1994, the assumptions that reigned when they were young and coming up. "The first lesson they learned is the one they remember," I said to Todd -- and I'm pretty certain that is a direct quote. But, I argued, that's over, those assumptions are yesterday, the party can no longer assume that its base is utterly in line with the thinking of the American people. And when I said, "It's over!" -- and I said it more than once -- that is what I was referring to. I am pretty certain that is exactly what Todd and Murphy understood I was referring to. In the truncated version of the conversation, on the Web, it appears I am saying the McCain campaign is over. I did not say it, and do not think it. In fact, at an on-the-record press symposium on the campaign on Monday, when all of those on the panel were pressed to predict who would win, I said that I didn't know, but that we just might find "This IS a country for old men." That is, McCain may well win. I do not think the campaign is over, I do not think this is settled, and did not suggest, back to the Todd-Murphy conversation, that "It's over."
However, I did say two things that I haven't said in public, either in speaking or in my writing. One is a vulgar epithet that I wish I could blame on the mood of the moment but cannot. No one else, to my memory, swore. I just blurted. The other, more seriously, is a real criticism that I had not previously made, but only because I hadn't thought of it. And it is connected to a thought I had this morning, Wednesday morning, and wrote to a friend. Here it is. Early this morning I saw Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, and as we chatted about the McCain campaign (she thoughtfully and supportively) I looked into her eyes and thought, Why not her? Had she been vetted for the vice presidency, and how did it come about that it was the less experienced Mrs. Palin who was chosen? I didn't ask these questions or mention them, I just thought them. Later in the morning, still pondering this, I thought of something that had happened exactly 20 years before. It was just after the 1988 Republican convention ended. I was on the plane, as a speechwriter, that took Republican presidential nominee George H.W. Bush, and the new vice presidential nominee, Dan Quayle, from New Orleans, the site of the convention, to Indiana. Sitting next to Mr. Quayle was the other senator from that state, Richard Lugar. As we chatted, I thought, "Why him and not him?" Why Mr. Quayle as the choice, and not the more experienced Mr. Lugar? I came to think, in following years, that some of the reason came down to what is now called The Narrative. The story the campaign wishes to tell about itself, and communicate to others. I don't like the idea of The Narrative. I think it is ... a barnyard epithet. And, oddly enough, it is something that Republicans are not very good at, because it's not where they live, it's not what they're about, it's too fancy. To the extent the McCain campaign was thinking in these terms, I don't like that either. I do like Mrs. Palin, because I like the things she espouses. And because, frankly, I met her once and liked her. I suspect, as I say further in here, that her candidacy will be either dramatically successful or a dramatically not; it won't be something in between.
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/declarations.html
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