Also as the novel says, Sonny realized that his temper was his greatest fault and "this was one time when anger could be fatal." His reply was had a twofold purpose: 1) to calm himself; 2) to convey to Sollozzo that he would comply.

I just realized yesterday that when Carlo is in the car with Clemenza you can see Michael, Tom and Neri through the rear window.

I just watched the scene where Michael hands over the family responsibility to Tom after the shooting incident. He explains to Tom that Neri and Rocco are businessmen and their loyalty depends upon that. Duh! As though Tom doesn't know all that

OMYGAWD that's beautiful

Friends, I know this has been asked a million times, but what is the name of the beautiful piece of music playing as Mike and Pat..uh, Kay, are dancing in II at Anthony's communion as Mike says "I'm trying darling, I'm trying."

You know, right before everything went to shite.

Fine, don't answer me. See if I care, but know this: Hyman Roth's wife absolutely and undeniably calls Micheal, "Mr. Paul."

It happened. She's just craaazy like that.

For those of you with iTunes, there is a free 2-minute "documentary" on people talking about which they like better: GF1 or GF2... it's called "The Godfather vs The Godfather II" so look in the Free section, do a search, or browse through Movies > Docmentaries

So what won GF or GFII?





TIS

I haven't played the whole thing yet (all its 2 minutes )

Oh I love that picture, however, isn't there another one where DeNiro isn't smiling? And, I don't remember him wearing that vest in it? Or, am I mistaken? Anyway, I love it. Pretty unique since they never shared any scenes together.

Someone posted another "drawing" way back that I really liked.I wish I could remember it. It was Young Vito/old Vito I believe. Hmmmm. I should have saved it. Anyway cool picture.


TIS

Ha ha...yea, wait til you have the time. LMAO



TIS

In another thread I asked about Hymen's wife referring to Mike as Mr. Paul in the hotyel scene. Did anyone else catch that it or did I mishear it?

I never caught it, but it is in JGeoff's transcript of GFII.

I have no explanation other than perhaps Mrs. Roth was in the dark about what business her husband had chosen and nobody wanted her to know he was meeting with the notorious Michael Corleone.

Incidentally, was Roth's wife with him at the airport? I don't remember her being there, but you would think she should have been.

No, he sent her to go play bingo.

When Michael comes to Roth's house, Mrs. Roth (although is it possible it's NOT his wife??) definitely calls him by a different name, although I'm not 100% sure what that name is.

Whatever she is, she makes a hell of a tuna sandwich.

I watched the first two films last weekend for the first time since January 2006. I wrote these thoughts on the first one:

I think the problem with the first Godfather is its crude source material. It's better than the novel in every way possible, but I find it overwhelmingly episodic and verbose. The acting and music are tremendous, but its rhythm is very clunky and the narrative is unrewarding.

A few moments are great: Michael's pivotal moment in the hospital when he says, "I'm with you now, Pop"; his subsequent killing of Sollozzo and McClusky is a great set-piece in itself; the baptism scene is genius; Brando drives the film whenever he's onscreen.

But its sidesteps, such as the whole thunderbolt episode in Sicily, dampen the drama. The whole Jack Woltz episode, immediately after the (lengthy) wedding sequence crawls along with no real purpose or energy.

And the whole dramatic arc of the film is supposed to rest on Michael's unexpected spiral into the Family business. But Coppola cheats: whereas the first thirty minutes of the film comprise one single wedding, the final third of the film jumps and leaps in time that the characterisation is implausible. Pacino's particularly excellent as the outcast war vet in the opening scenes, and he's convincing too as the cold Don in the final moments, but there's no in between.

We're supposed to accept his ruthlessness stems from Apollonia's death in Sicily, but there's no spiral there. All of a sudden he's emerging from a car and saying to Kay, "I've been back a year. Longer than that, I think." I was as bewildered and frustrated by this as Kay was (Keaton's fantastic, by the way).

It has a loaded air to it, from the opening slow track back from Bonasera to Clemenza kissing Michael's cheek at the end. "OMG EPIC!" might be overly facetious and reductive on my part, but it's a feeling I haven't yet shirked.

The second film's much better. I'm watching the third soon.

How did they know Michael's adversary's daughter was a virgin?

They checked Roth's hymen.

Too much time on my hands?

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I'd like to mention something I've found puzzeling about the garroting of Carlo. Forgive a newbie if this has been discussed before: Is it my imagination, or was it right in front of the house? As Carlo kicks the windshield out we see that the car is in motion. Going where? Driving around in the compound with a murdered guy in broad daylight? Surely the authorities are going to be checking up on Michael after so many big mob guys are rubbed out at the same time.

Rich

I finaly found "I Have But One Heart" on Playlist.com. I looked under Al Martino it wasn't there. I found it under Dean Martin but it sounds like Al Martino is singing it.

Yes R, it was right on the mall for all of those wiseguy witnesses to see and possibly testify to at the Senate hearings had they been asked and a capo of all people doing the deed. FFC going for the drama I guess. I always wondered why they bothered to put his suitcase in the trunk.

The same reason why they let Paulie drive around half a day in NYC. As Clemenza put it: "Relax. Make them relax."
Anyway, I also think there were way too may witnesses. I mean, Clemenza, Tom, Rocco, Michael were already four. The risk that a soldier's testifying would be just too high.

They put the suitcase in the trunk and started moving the car so Carlo would not suspect what Clermenza was up to. It also made for a good scene. In other words, a twofer for FFC.

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