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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
#508111
09/04/08 10:37 PM
09/04/08 10:37 PM
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Just to clarify, are you commenting on the content or on the delivery??? Content. I know he's not as dynamic a speaker as Obama... that wouldn't be a reason to vote for him or against him, though. He lit up when he spoke about Vietnam; that was personal, and I guess easy for him to talk about. He KNOWS that stuff. He didn't speak about any of the party's plans. Is he telling us that the party doesn't have any plans?
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: SC]
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09/04/08 10:43 PM
09/04/08 10:43 PM
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Posts: 17,300 New York
Sicilian Babe
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I haven't heard any fresh ideas from any of the Republicans in years. We keep hearing what a maverick Senator McCain is, but if he's voted with President Bush 90% of the time, then I guess he's really not. As I know I've mentioned before, the Republicans seem to preach fear. Don't change! It would be bad! We were here on September 11, 2001, and we've prevented attacks since then. If you don't vote for us, those terrorists will be back!! Fear, fear, fear. Personally, I don't want to live in fear. I prefer to live a hopeful life. And for me, that's a good enough reason not to vote Republican this time. Where's Ross Perot when you need a third party candidate??
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Saladbar]
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09/05/08 03:33 AM
09/05/08 03:33 AM
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Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 8,224 New Jersey
AppleOnYa
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I also didn't like the term "community organizer" to describe what Obama did. How about the fact that, despite graduating at the top of his class from Harvard, he decided to give back to the community instead of joining a powerful Chicago law firm for a huge salary. They don't mention that. Instead, they mock that commitment to public service, unless it's their own. I'm with you. When Rudy then Palin attacked his service to his community and the crowd roared I about threw up. How messed up is the GOP that they would seriously denigrate the work of someone who sacrificed a comfy job in a high paying law firm to help the underprivileged? Community Service is a wonderful thing and Sen. Barack Hussein Obama should be applauded for it. Does it qualify anyone to be President of the United States. Nope. Also, after nearly a week of scrutiny over Palins 'experience' while running for VP and who if she wins may or may not ever even assume the Presidency...it was and is completely appropriate to compare her experience as Mayor and Governor to Sen. Barack Hussein Obama's, who if he wins WILL be President...as a Community Organizer and U.S. Senator who is on record as voting 'Present' most of the time and passed barely a single piece of legislation during his time in office but has somehow found time to write 2 memiors. The comparison was fair, it was warranted and it should be made time and time again if the media continues to harp on Gov. Sarah Palin's qualifications for the office of Vice President. Apple
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
#508130
09/05/08 03:42 AM
09/05/08 03:42 AM
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AppleOnYa
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...As for your hypothesis....wasn't the bomb that was Dukakis a Governor too? ... Yes, he was. And I'm not saying that ALL Governors who seek the Presidency succeed. However it's a historical FACT...not a hypothesis...that more sitting or former Governors have been elected President than sitting Senators. This year, a Senator will definitely be elected President. It was a great move for McCain to put on his ticket a sitting Governor, a current Chief Executive of a HUGE State...instead of going for another Senator. Apple ps - Yet another Governor to be elected President in 'recent' history...Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
- THOMAS JEFFERSON
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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09/05/08 07:47 AM
09/05/08 07:47 AM
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Double-J
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Personally, I don't want to live in fear. I prefer to live a hopeful life.
Terrorists? Trying to kill us? What, me worry?
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Mignon]
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09/05/08 07:56 AM
09/05/08 07:56 AM
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Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 11,468 With Geary in Fredo's Brothel
dontomasso
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I'm not thrilled with either of them. I'm concerned about Mccain's age. I'm not happy that Obama will raise taxes. My vote will come down to the lesser of two evils AGAIN!!! With the deficits we're running and the need to improve infrastructure, develop energy independence and put a decent health care system in place, not to mention all kinds of existing and potential problems abroad, I don't see how we cannot raise taxes unless we do it GOP style by calling taxes by some other name and using gimmicks like selling highways to private companies, continuing to privatize prisons, and raising "fees" for everything.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: dontomasso]
#508159
09/05/08 08:48 AM
09/05/08 08:48 AM
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Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 13,145 East Tennessee
ronnierocketAGO
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Joined: Oct 2004
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I'm not thrilled with either of them. I'm concerned about Mccain's age. I'm not happy that Obama will raise taxes. My vote will come down to the lesser of two evils AGAIN!!! With the deficits we're running and the need to improve infrastructure, develop energy independence and put a decent health care system in place, not to mention all kinds of existing and potential problems abroad, I don't see how we cannot raise taxes unless we do it GOP style by calling taxes by some other name and using gimmicks like selling highways to private companies, continuing to privatize prisons, and raising "fees" for everything. Both candidates' tax plans really are problematic, but McCain's is "slash spending" and yet he won't cut any bit of the military budget. So if not that route, then where to? I mean I'm pretty sure neither candidate will cut cash-bleeding projects like the Harriet Jet. So what will get axed if its President McCain and a Democratic Congress, if anything?
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: AppleOnYa]
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09/05/08 09:00 AM
09/05/08 09:00 AM
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Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 13,145 East Tennessee
ronnierocketAGO
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I also didn't like the term "community organizer" to describe what Obama did. How about the fact that, despite graduating at the top of his class from Harvard, he decided to give back to the community instead of joining a powerful Chicago law firm for a huge salary. They don't mention that. Instead, they mock that commitment to public service, unless it's their own. I'm with you. When Rudy then Palin attacked his service to his community and the crowd roared I about threw up. How messed up is the GOP that they would seriously denigrate the work of someone who sacrificed a comfy job in a high paying law firm to help the underprivileged? Community Service is a wonderful thing and Sen. Barack Hussein Obama should be applauded for it. Does it qualify anyone to be President of the United States. Nope. Also, after nearly a week of scrutiny over Palins 'experience' while running for VP and who if she wins may or may not ever even assume the Presidency...it was and is completely appropriate to compare her experience as Mayor and Governor to Sen. Barack Hussein Obama's, who if he wins WILL be President...as a Community Organizer and U.S. Senator who is on record as voting 'Present' most of the time and passed barely a single piece of legislation during his time in office but has somehow found time to write 2 memiors. The comparison was fair, it was warranted and it should be made time and time again if the media continues to harp on Gov. Sarah Palin's qualifications for the office of Vice President. Apple Yet I doubt any Democrat or moderate was going to vote for Obama for his experience. More like for his pitch of no more S.O.S. ("Same Old Shit") or at least represent a change from the Dubya years, or new ideas or whatever. I mean McCain's pitch is that he's been around long enough, he knows the game and how to play it BLAH BLAH, and it's worth running on. There was a political cartoon, and I hate that I didn't save it, but which you had two cars: those new hybrid environmental/fuel-friendly cars (Obama) and a SUV (McCain), and you have people in the middle wondering which car to "buy." On the hybrid, "Looks promising, but it's a risky move." On the SUV, its "It's proven in the past, but is this the solution now?" Point is, experience was a cornerstone of McCain's run, and with his age, if he had picked someone like Hutchinson, I think moderates would have been more acceptive of that pick than a Palin. I mean Hutchinson has been in office for about what, 14-15 years as a Senator from Texas? McCain/Hutchinson ticket would have been the complete "Experience" Value Meal. Oh sure Democrats would find little shit to get pissed about her, but when polling indicates with Palin that with Republicans loving her, and Democrats hating her, but moderates in general are not biting...that's a problem. To put it another way Apple, remember 4 years ago? Edwards energized the Democratic base, but who won the race?
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: AppleOnYa]
#508164
09/05/08 09:07 AM
09/05/08 09:07 AM
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Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 13,145 East Tennessee
ronnierocketAGO
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...As for your hypothesis....wasn't the bomb that was Dukakis a Governor too? ... Yes, he was. And I'm not saying that ALL Governors who seek the Presidency succeed. However it's a historical FACT...not a hypothesis...that more sitting or former Governors have been elected President than sitting Senators. This year, a Senator will definitely be elected President. It was a great move for McCain to put on his ticket a sitting Governor, a current Chief Executive of a HUGE State...instead of going for another Senator. Apple ps - Yet another Governor to be elected President in 'recent' history...Franklin Delano Roosevelt. A question I ask you Apple, and I want you to answer completely and honestly: Which candidate you prefer, McCain or Palin? Also, you supporting McCain who was a leader of that failed attempt on that so-trashed "Amnesty Bill" 2 years ago, who led and got a bill passed condemning the Bush Administration for not following the Geneva Convention on torture, the McCain/Feingold Campaign Finance "Reform" that's not really worked as good as hoped, and against banning gay marriage? I'm just trying to understand that a conservative like yourself is voting for a moderate who at times has gone contrary to your ideological parameters. The best question of all...are you voting more for McCain, or more against Obama?
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: svsg]
#508180
09/05/08 11:11 AM
09/05/08 11:11 AM
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Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 8,536 West Chester, PA
Patrick
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8 more weeks. Nice chart, SB. I'm sick of people saying Obama is going to tax, tax, tax. He has said over and over again. If your family is making less than $250,000 a year, you will not see a tax increase.
"After every dark night, there's a bright day right after that. No matter how hard it gets, stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it." -Tupac Shakur
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: svsg]
#508181
09/05/08 11:12 AM
09/05/08 11:12 AM
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Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 22,902 New York
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Are you assuming that Mignon doesn't make more than $2.87 million a year? Doubt it. In a good year, when the colonel goes hunting, he may bring home two bucks.
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