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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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09/10/08 12:47 PM
09/10/08 12:47 PM
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Double-J
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And you still haven't replied to my original question. If it is SO offensive, if the phrase "lipstick on a pig" is a disgraceful and offensive remark because it was meant to insult a female candidate, then WHY wasn't it "offensive and disgraceful" when Senator McCain used it??? Why are you unable to answer this direct question, despite the fact that you have been asked it three times?? Because I'm now a Democrat.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Double-J]
#508925
09/10/08 12:51 PM
09/10/08 12:51 PM
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Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,296 Throggs Neck
pizzaboy
The Fuckin Doctor
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The Fuckin Doctor
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And you still haven't replied to my original question. If it is SO offensive, if the phrase "lipstick on a pig" is a disgraceful and offensive remark because it was meant to insult a female candidate, then WHY wasn't it "offensive and disgraceful" when Senator McCain used it??? Why are you unable to answer this direct question, despite the fact that you have been asked it three times?? Because I'm now a Democrat. Welcome aboard, son.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Double-J]
#508927
09/10/08 12:55 PM
09/10/08 12:55 PM
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Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 22,902 New York
SC
Consigliere
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Consigliere
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New York
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Geeez... pigs must be flying. I wonder if they're wearing lipstick.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Double-J]
#508929
09/10/08 01:23 PM
09/10/08 01:23 PM
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Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 11,797 Pennsylvania
klydon1
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I agree. In a close election race would someone, who is as intelligent as Obamaand defied odds to get where he is, call a member of the opposing ticket a pig? The phrase "lipstick on a pig" was commomn before Gov. Palin arrived.
I would expect the Republicans to try to make an issue out of this as Palin is riding a wave of popularity. I would also expect the Democrats to try to gain support if it were reversed, but the fact that Palin used the term "lipstick" in her speech and it got a laugh does not give her a monopoly on the word.
If Obama is so smart, perhaps he would have had the foresight to expect this, like you did? Sure. He used a metaphor to make a point, and what will the Republicans get out of their protestations? Probably a day or two of chest thumping. It's net value is of no consequence.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Double-J]
#508954
09/10/08 06:01 PM
09/10/08 06:01 PM
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Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 8,224 New Jersey
AppleOnYa
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Anyone heard some of the recent 'classic' soundbites of Joe Biden?
First...he introduced a colleague who is confined to a wheelchair and told him to 'stand up'.
Ok, I'll cut him some slack for that as he immediately realized and corrected the mistake and probably felt terrible about it.
Next...he is heard actually stating that Hillary Clinton would have been a better choice than him as VP nominee. Whether he's right or not isn't the point...you just don't say something like that about your own ticket, it was a slap in the face to his running mate and NOT good for the campaign.
What annoys me just a bit about that remark is that while unlikely, this could be the hintings of the Dems finding a way for Biden to withdraw from the ticket, thereby allowing Obama a second chance to choose Hillary.
Not possible? I don't know if the nominating process is irreversible, BUT...don't put it past them...the Democrats are infamous for shamelessly finding ways to ignore the rules in order to fit their own needs.
I'm from New Jersey, so I know...
Apple
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
- THOMAS JEFFERSON
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: SC]
#508955
09/10/08 06:04 PM
09/10/08 06:04 PM
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Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 18,238 The Ravenite Social Club
Don Cardi
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"You can put lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig. You can wrap up an old fish in a piece of paper and call it change. It's still going to stink after eight years. We've had enough," I found this quote to be particularly ironic, since he's calling the Republican VP candidate a pig. In response, think the following is thus appropriate: [picture of a gorilla] It's not appropriate. You've been called on that crap already, but insist on choosing to ignore the Board's management's warnings. Consider this a FINAL WARNING. Cut the shit out! I assure you this has no bearing on the politics at hand here. I don't give two shits if you believe that, or not, but that's the way it is. I think that the candidates, the parties, the supporters, and even the supporters right here on these boards should stick to the real issues and stop the idiotic name calling and arrogant remarks. In all this media created hoopla many leaders from BOTH parites seem to have forgotton that there are real serious issues at hand in this world like Wars, Starvation, Housing problems, Disasters, High Oil Prices, A hurting economy, etc. And instead of the heads of the parties on down to the average voters talking, debating and offering possible resolutions to these kinds of problems, they seem to keep getting caught up in these ridiculous labeling, name calling and he said this about me and she said that about him kind of debates.
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Don Cardi]
#508959
09/10/08 07:27 PM
09/10/08 07:27 PM
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Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 13,145 East Tennessee
ronnierocketAGO
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Joined: Oct 2004
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[quote=Obama (in reference to Palin)]"You can put lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig. You can wrap up an old fish in a piece of paper and call it change. It's still going to stink after eight years. We've had enough," I found this quote to be particularly ironic, since he's calling the Republican VP candidate a pig. In response, think the following is thus appropriate: [picture of a gorilla] It's not appropriate. You've been called on that crap already, but insist on choosing to ignore the Board's management's warnings. Consider this a FINAL WARNING. Cut the shit out! I assure you this has no bearing on the politics at hand here. I don't give two shits if you believe that, or not, but that's the way it is. I think that the candidates, the parties, the supporters, and even the supporters right here on these boards should stick to the real issues and stop the idiotic name calling and arrogant remarks. In all this media created hoopla many leaders from BOTH parites seem to have forgotton that there are real serious issues at hand in this world like Wars, Starvation, Housing problems, Disasters, High Oil Prices, A hurting economy, etc. And instead of the heads of the parties on down to the average voters talking, debating and offering possible resolutions to these kinds of problems, they seem to keep getting caught up in these ridiculous labeling, name calling and he said this about me and she said that about him kind of debates. [/quote] Remember that McCain campaign spokesman said that the election wasn't about the issues? Unfortunately, he may be right.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
#508961
09/10/08 08:13 PM
09/10/08 08:13 PM
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Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 8,224 New Jersey
AppleOnYa
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...Remember that McCain campaign spokesman said that the election wasn't about the issues? Unfortunately, he may be right. When key Democrats begin making remarks like this one (including the laughable spin afterwards) then he sure is right...!! From Associated Press: SC Dem Chief Says Sorry For Palin-Abortion Comment S Carolina's Dem Party chairwoman said Wednesday that Republican VP nominee Sarah Palin's top qualification seems to be not having had an abortion. She later apologized. In an interview posted on the political Web site Politico, Chairwoman Carol Fowler said Republican John McCain picked a running mate "whose primary qualification seems to be that she hasn't had an abortion."Fowler later apologized, saying she made the statement during an interview about single-issue voters. "I personally admire and respect the difficult choices that women make everyday, and I apologize to anyone who finds my comment offensive," Fowler said in a statement. "I clumsily was making a point about people in SC who may vote based on a single issue. Whether it's the environment, the economy, the war or a woman's right to choose, there are people who will cast their vote based on a single issue," she continued. "That was the only point I was attempting to make." Palin opposes abortion, including in cases of rape or incest, and has lived out her convictions by bearing son Trig in April, knowing he had Down syndrome. A top McCain surrogate, SC Sen. Lindsey Graham, said it was an outrage to dismiss Palin's record and life with that kind of remark. "I think it has more to do with the fact our Democratic colleagues and opponents are in a meltdown mode over Gov. Palin," Graham said. He said there would be a "firestorm of monumental proportion" if a Republican had said the same thing about a female Democrat running for vice president, and called on Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama to repudiate Fowler's remark. "If he doesn't speak to this and condemn this statement, it will speak volumes about where we're at on the Democratic side," Graham said. Obama spokesman Nick Shapiro said Fowler was not speaking for the campaign, "just as John McCain has said state parties don't speak for him." "But obviously this does not reflect our view," Shapiro said. A fellow Democrat, Rep. John Spratt of SC, also distanced himself from Fowler's comment. "Her statement about Gov. Palin is outrageous and wrong, because Sarah Palin's qualifications are quite evident," the House Budget Committee chairman said in a statement. "She is the mother of five children who has been elected Mayor of her town and Gov. of her state, and she has shown herself to be an effective public speaker and an energetic campaigner. Sen. Obama has said that 'families are off-limits, and people's children are especially off-limits.' I could not agree more."
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
- THOMAS JEFFERSON
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Double-J]
#508989
09/10/08 10:55 PM
09/10/08 10:55 PM
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Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,876 Palm Bay, Florida
Santino Brasi
The Don's Official Sooth Sayer
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The Don's Official Sooth Sayer
Underboss
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OH! [/Paulie Walnuts]
Calm the fuck down will you guys? Both of you! there is no reason for any of this shit
He - (Simón Bolívar) - was shaken by the overwhelming revelation that the headlong race between his misfortunes and his dreams was at that moment reaching the finishing line. The rest was darkness. "Damn it," He sighed. "How will I ever get out of this labyrinth!" So what’s the labyrinth? That’s the mystery isn’t it? Is the labyrinth living or dying? Which is he trying to escape - the world, or, the end of it?
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Just Lou]
#508991
09/10/08 11:02 PM
09/10/08 11:02 PM
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Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,876 Palm Bay, Florida
Santino Brasi
The Don's Official Sooth Sayer
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The Don's Official Sooth Sayer
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very true, lou, very true
He - (Simón Bolívar) - was shaken by the overwhelming revelation that the headlong race between his misfortunes and his dreams was at that moment reaching the finishing line. The rest was darkness. "Damn it," He sighed. "How will I ever get out of this labyrinth!" So what’s the labyrinth? That’s the mystery isn’t it? Is the labyrinth living or dying? Which is he trying to escape - the world, or, the end of it?
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Double-J]
#508994
09/10/08 11:38 PM
09/10/08 11:38 PM
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Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,876 Palm Bay, Florida
Santino Brasi
The Don's Official Sooth Sayer
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The Don's Official Sooth Sayer
Underboss
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Will you guys please calm down? what is the reason for all of this shit? 2xJ obviously has different political views than Miggy, and visa versa
there is no need for this useless slander
He - (Simón Bolívar) - was shaken by the overwhelming revelation that the headlong race between his misfortunes and his dreams was at that moment reaching the finishing line. The rest was darkness. "Damn it," He sighed. "How will I ever get out of this labyrinth!" So what’s the labyrinth? That’s the mystery isn’t it? Is the labyrinth living or dying? Which is he trying to escape - the world, or, the end of it?
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: SC]
#509021
09/11/08 08:14 AM
09/11/08 08:14 AM
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Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 11,468 With Geary in Fredo's Brothel
dontomasso
OP
Consigliere to the Stars
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OP
Consigliere to the Stars
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Posts: 11,468
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Sadly, what had once been a good thread has gone to the crapper now. Amen, SC. And IMHO in large part it has been put there by one particular poster who has suddenly "switched sides" and become even snarkier. Its time for a suspension or banishment.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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