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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: pizzaboy] #509210
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Originally Posted By: SC

She really looked bad on that issue.

In all fairness to her, though, I didn't hold it against her about her vagueness in answering if we (the U.S.) could cross Afghanistan's borders to pursue terrorists. I think she gave a politician's answer of "vagueness" and that same type of response could be expected from the Democrats as well.

She didn't appear comfortable and giver her "appearance" at other functions (when she had McCain at her side), I found that a little troubling.

By nominating her as a vp candidate now is like bringing up a Class A minor league pitcher to pitch in the World Series. She's just not prepared and her inexperience is showing.


Agreed, SC. How do you account for what appears to be her turning around the MCain campaign?


Hell, I'll say it. The people who will be swayed are the "fringe" white voters who were just looking for an excuse not to vote for a black man.

There, I said it. You don't have to agree with it, but that's how I feel. There is more than a little something to the "Bradley Effect." How else do you explain Obama leading handily in both the California and Massacheusetts polls on Primary Day, then losing BOTH? It's the fringe, phony, white voters, who tell the pollsters, "Yay . . goodie for him . . . he's got my vote," until it's actually time to get in the voting booth. Then they look for an excuse.

I've been on the Obama train since the beginning, as everyone here knows. But I'm not delusional. This is going to be a VERY close election. And a very tough one for Obama to pull out.


Racist!



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Originally Posted By: Double-J
Racist!


Why don't you stop this shit already instead of showing your ignorance? It's becoming quite tiring.


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Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: Double-J
Racist!


Why don't you stop this shit already instead of showing your ignorance? It's becoming quite tiring.


I'm confused. I basically said the exact same thing awhile ago - that I'm not sure that people will vote for a black candidate when it comes right down to it - and you called me a racist. So what's different?



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Originally Posted By: Double-J
I'm confused. I basically said the exact same thing awhile ago - that I'm not sure that people will vote for a black candidate when it comes right down to it - and you called me a racist. So what's different?


The difference doesn't come from your statement. You were labelled a racist for the incredibly poor taste you showed in posting pictures of gorillas and numerous references to the Obamas as Aunt Jemima, etc. You chose to make a personal statement against the race of the family, not a campaign issue as pizzaboy pointed out.

BIG DIFFERENCE.


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Thank you for enlightening me, SC. The caps helped to get your point across.



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Just doing my job, son. I'm glad I was able to enlighten you.


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^ Wait, son...? Are you John Edwards?

I think you might be my father.



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Originally Posted By: SC
I think her choice as running mate was a purely cosmetic one (that apparently went over well). Once she starts speaking on her own she'll start bringing down the "approval ratings" and the advantage of a surprise pick will disappear.


I suspect you are correct about her giving the campaign a big bounce. I'm tracking a daily electoral vote map, and for the first time today McCain has 270. Obama has been as high as 300+. So Obama's definitely slippin.

You may want to rethink calling the choice "cosmetic," what with all this lipstick stuff going around. whistle


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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #509222
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Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe

And, lastly, I'm still curious as to why the phrase "lipstick on a pig" was "offensive and disgraceful" when it was used by Obama to describe McCain's economic policies, but not "offensive and disgraceful" when McCain used it to describe Clinton's healthcare plan.



It is very easy, no real problem ...when McCain said it, he clearly mentioned that he was talking about Clinton's healthcare plan being the pig with the lipstick.
Obama left it so open that he sounded like he was talking about Palin herself.
So some people are useing it as ammo.

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Originally Posted By: SC
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Racist!


Why don't you stop this shit already instead of showing your ignorance? It's becoming quite tiring.



You both need to move on! grin

Adults only in the Campaign sandbox please!

It is getting harder and harder to listen to all the bullshit being thrown around this tread with you two picking each other apart- shhh

After all, there are already enough people who don't know "crap" trying to tell other people who don't know "crap" how much they do know about the "crap" being thrown around here!

Can Novemeber come any quicker?


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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #509227
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I did see the McCain ad which declares that Obama funded sex education for kindergarten children. That his legislation funded a program that teaches children about sex before they can read.

The actual program teaches children about stranger danger and the difference between a "good touch" and a "bad touch".

Yeah, that's like the same thing. rolleyes



The ad is so ridiculous, even the talking heads on Fox News were questioning it. It is also being made fun of on morning talk radio.

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JL, I didn't see the interview. I know that the McCain camp has limited her exposure to question, which begs the question, If she's not ready for a tough interview, how can she be one heartbeat away from the presidency??





EXCERPTS: Charlie Gibson Interviews Sarah Palin
Republican VP Candidate Speaks with ABC News' Charlie Gibson in Exclusive Interview

Sept. 11, 2008—

The following excerpts are from the ABC News exclusive interview with Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin in Fairbanks, Alaska, conducted by "World News" anchor Charlie Gibson on September 11, 2008

Watch Gibson's exclusive interviews with Palin tonight on "World News" at 6:30 p.m. ET, a special-edition of "20/20," at 10 p.m. ET, and "Nightline" at 11:35 p.m. ET

Sarah Palin on Experience:

GIBSON: Governor, let me start by asking you a question that I asked John McCain about you, and it is really the central question. Can you look the country in the eye and say "I have the experience and I have the ability to be not just vice president, but perhaps president of the United States of America?"

PALIN: I do, Charlie, and on January 20, when John McCain and I are sworn in, if we are so privileged to be elected to serve this country, will be ready. I'm ready.

GIBSON: And you didn't say to yourself, "Am I experienced enough? Am I ready? Do I know enough about international affairs? Do I -- will I feel comfortable enough on the national stage to do this?"

PALIN: I didn't hesitate, no.

GIBSON: Didn't that take some hubris?

PALIN: I -- I answered him yes because I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can't blink, you have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we're on, reform of this country and victory in the war, you can't blink.

So I didn't blink then even when asked to run as his running mate.

GIBSON: But this is not just reforming a government. This is also running a government on the huge international stage in a very dangerous world. When I asked John McCain about your national security credentials, he cited the fact that you have commanded the Alaskan National Guard and that Alaska is close to Russia. Are those sufficient credentials?

PALIN: But it is about reform of government and it's about putting government back on the side of the people, and that has much to do with foreign policy and national security issues Let me speak specifically about a credential that I do bring to this table, Charlie, and that's with the energy independence that I've been working on for these years as the governor of this state that produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy, that I worked on as chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, overseeing the oil and gas development in our state to produce more for the United States.

GIBSON: I know. I'm just saying that national security is a whole lot more than energy.

PALIN: It is, but I want you to not lose sight of the fact that energy is a foundation of national security. It's that important. It's that significant.

GIBSON: Did you ever travel outside the country prior to your trip to Kuwait and Germany last year?

PALIN: Canada, Mexico, and then, yes, that trip, that was the trip of a lifetime to visit our troops in Kuwait and stop and visit our injured soldiers in Germany. That was the trip of a lifetime and it changed my life.

GIBSON: Have you ever met a foreign head of state?

PALIN: There in the state of Alaska, our international trade activities bring in many leaders of other countries.

GIBSON: And all governors deal with trade delegations.

PALIN: Right.

GIBSON: Who act at the behest of their governments.

PALIN: Right, right.

GIBSON: I'm talking about somebody who's a head of state, who can negotiate for that country. Ever met one?

PALIN: I have not and I think if you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you. But, Charlie, again, we've got to remember what the desire is in this nation at this time. It is for no more politics as usual and somebody's big, fat resume maybe that shows decades and decades in that Washington establishment, where, yes, they've had opportunities to meet heads of state ... these last couple of weeks ... it has been overwhelming to me that confirmation of the message that Americans are getting sick and tired of that self-dealing and kind of that closed door, good old boy network that has been the Washington elite.

Sarah Palin on God:

GIBSON: You said recently, in your old church, "Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God." Are we fighting a holy war?

PALIN: You know, I don't know if that was my exact quote.

GIBSON: Exact words.

PALIN: But the reference there is a repeat of Abraham Lincoln's words when he said -- first, he suggested never presume to know what God's will is, and I would never presume to know God's will or to speak God's words.

But what Abraham Lincoln had said, and that's a repeat in my comments, was let us not pray that God is on our side in a war or any other time, but let us pray that we are on God's side.

That's what that comment was all about, Charlie. And I do believe, though, that this war against extreme Islamic terrorists is the right thing. It's an unfortunate thing, because war is hell and I hate war, and, Charlie, today is the day that I send my first born, my son, my teenage son overseas with his Stryker brigade, 4,000 other wonderful American men and women, to fight for our country, for democracy, for our freedoms.

Charlie, those are freedoms that too many of us just take for granted. I hate war and I want to see war ended. We end war when we see victory, and we do see victory in sight in Iraq.

GIBSON: I take your point about Lincoln's words, but you went on and said, "There is a plan and it is God's plan."

PALIN: I believe that there is a plan for this world and that plan for this world is for good. I believe that there is great hope and great potential for every country to be able to live and be protected with inalienable rights that I believe are God-given, Charlie, and I believe that those are the rights to life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

That, in my world view, is a grand -- the grand plan.

GIBSON: But then are you sending your son on a task that is from God?

PALIN: I don't know if the task is from God, Charlie. What I know is that my son has made a decision. I am so proud of his independent and strong decision he has made, what he decided to do and serving for the right reasons and serving something greater than himself and not choosing a real easy path where he could be more comfortable and certainly safer.

Sarah Palin on National Security:

GIBSON: Let me ask you about some specific national security situations.

PALIN: Sure.

GIBSON: Let's start, because we are near Russia, let's start with Russia and Georgia.

The administration has said we've got to maintain the territorial integrity of Georgia. Do you believe the United States should try to restore Georgian sovereignty over South Ossetia and Abkhazia?

PALIN: First off, we're going to continue good relations with Saakashvili there. I was able to speak with him the other day and giving him my commitment, as John McCain's running mate, that we will be committed to Georgia. And we've got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable and we have to keep...

GIBSON: You believe unprovoked.

PALIN: I do believe unprovoked and we have got to keep our eyes on Russia, under the leadership there. I think it was unfortunate. That manifestation that we saw with that invasion of Georgia shows us some steps backwards that Russia has recently taken away from the race toward a more democratic nation with democratic ideals.That's why we have to keep an eye on Russia.

And, Charlie, you're in Alaska. We have that very narrow maritime border between the United States, and the 49th state, Alaska, and Russia. They are our next door neighbors.We need to have a good relationship with them. They're very, very important to us and they are our next door neighbor.

GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?

PALIN: They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.

GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they're doing in Georgia?

PALIN: Well, I'm giving you that perspective of how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies to keep good relation with all of these countries, especially Russia. We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it's in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.

Sarah Palin on Russia:

We cannot repeat the Cold War. We are thankful that, under Reagan, we won the Cold War, without a shot fired, also. We've learned lessons from that in our relationship with Russia, previously the Soviet Union.

We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it's in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.

GIBSON: Would you favor putting Georgia and Ukraine in NATO?

PALIN: Ukraine, definitely, yes. Yes, and Georgia.

GIBSON: Because Putin has said he would not tolerate NATO incursion into the Caucasus.

PALIN: Well, you know, the Rose Revolution, the Orange Revolution, those actions have showed us that those democratic nations, I believe, deserve to be in NATO.

Putin thinks otherwise. Obviously, he thinks otherwise, but...

GIBSON: And under the NATO treaty, wouldn't we then have to go to war if Russia went into Georgia?

PALIN: Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon and help.

But NATO, I think, should include Ukraine, definitely, at this point and I think that we need to -- especially with new leadership coming in on January 20, being sworn on, on either ticket, we have got to make sure that we strengthen our allies, our ties with each one of those NATO members.

We have got to make sure that that is the group that can be counted upon to defend one another in a very dangerous world today.

GIBSON: And you think it would be worth it to the United States, Georgia is worth it to the United States to go to war if Russia were to invade.

PALIN: What I think is that smaller democratic countries that are invaded by a larger power is something for us to be vigilant against. We have got to be cognizant of what the consequences are if a larger power is able to take over smaller democratic countries.

And we have got to be vigilant. We have got to show the support, in this case, for Georgia. The support that we can show is economic sanctions perhaps against Russia, if this is what it leads to.

It doesn't have to lead to war and it doesn't have to lead, as I said, to a Cold War, but economic sanctions, diplomatic pressure, again, counting on our allies to help us do that in this mission of keeping our eye on Russia and Putin and some of his desire to control and to control much more than smaller democratic countries.

His mission, if it is to control energy supplies, also, coming from and through Russia, that's a dangerous position for our world to be in, if we were to allow that to happen.

Sarah Palin on Iran and Israel:

GIBSON: Let me turn to Iran. Do you consider a nuclear Iran to be an existential threat to Israel?

PALIN: I believe that under the leadership of Ahmadinejad, nuclear weapons in the hands of his government are extremely dangerous to everyone on this globe, yes.

GIBSON: So what should we do about a nuclear Iran? John McCain said the only thing worse than a war with Iran would be a nuclear Iran. John Abizaid said we may have to live with a nuclear Iran. Who's right?

PALIN: No, no. I agree with John McCain that nuclear weapons in the hands of those who would seek to destroy our allies, in this case, we're talking about Israel, we're talking about Ahmadinejad's comment about Israel being the "stinking corpse, should be wiped off the face of the earth," that's atrocious. That's unacceptable.

GIBSON: So what do you do about a nuclear Iran?

PALIN: We have got to make sure that these weapons of mass destruction, that nuclear weapons are not given to those hands of Ahmadinejad, not that he would use them, but that he would allow terrorists to be able to use them. So we have got to put the pressure on Iran and we have got to count on our allies to help us, diplomatic pressure.

GIBSON: But, Governor, we've threatened greater sanctions against Iran for a long time. It hasn't done any good. It hasn't stemmed their nuclear program.

PALIN: We need to pursue those and we need to implement those. We cannot back off. We cannot just concede that, oh, gee, maybe they're going to have nuclear weapons, what can we do about it. No way, not Americans. We do not have to stand for that.

GIBSON: What if Israel decided it felt threatened and needed to take out the Iranian nuclear facilities?

PALIN: Well, first, we are friends with Israel and I don't think that we should second guess the measures that Israel has to take to defend themselves and for their security.

GIBSON: So if we wouldn't second guess it and they decided they needed to do it because Iran was an existential threat, we would cooperative or agree with that.

PALIN: I don't think we can second guess what Israel has to do to secure its nation.

GIBSON: So if it felt necessary, if it felt the need to defend itself by taking out Iranian nuclear facilities, that would be all right.

PALIN: We cannot second guess the steps that Israel has to take to defend itself.

Sarah Palin on 'the Bush Doctrine':

GIBSON: We talk on the anniversary of 9/11. Why do you think those hijackers attacked? Why did they want to hurt us?

PALIN: You know, there is a very small percentage of Islamic believers who are extreme and they are violent and they do not believe in American ideals, and they attacked us and now we are at a point here seven years later, on the anniversary, in this post-9/11 world, where we're able to commit to never again. They see that the only option for them is to become a suicide bomber, to get caught up in this evil, in this terror. They need to be provided the hope that all Americans have instilled in us, because we're a democratic, we are a free, and we are a free-thinking society.

GIBSON: Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?

PALIN: In what respect, Charlie?

GIBSON: The Bush -- well, what do you -- what do you interpret it to be?

PALIN: His world view.

GIBSON: No, the Bush doctrine, enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq war.

PALIN: I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell bent on destroying our nation. There have been blunders along the way, though. There have been mistakes made. And with new leadership, and that's the beauty of American elections, of course, and democracy, is with new leadership comes opportunity to do things better.

GIBSON: The Bush doctrine, as I understand it, is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense, that we have the right to a preemptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us. Do you agree with that?

PALIN: I agree that a president's job, when they swear in their oath to uphold our Constitution, their top priority is to defend the United States of America.

I know that John McCain will do that and I, as his vice president, families we are blessed with that vote of the American people and are elected to serve and are sworn in on January 20, that will be our top priority is to defend the American people.

GIBSON: Do we have a right to anticipatory self-defense? Do we have a right to make a preemptive strike again another country if we feel that country might strike us?

PALIN: Charlie, if there is legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country. In fact, the president has the obligation, the duty to defend.

GIBSON: Do we have the right to be making cross-border attacks into Pakistan from Afghanistan, with or without the approval of the Pakistani government?

PALIN: Now, as for our right to invade, we're going to work with these countries, building new relationships, working with existing allies, but forging new, also, in order to, Charlie, get to a point in this world where war is not going to be a first option. In fact, war has got to be, a military strike, a last option.

GIBSON: But, Governor, I'm asking you: We have the right, in your mind, to go across the border with or without the approval of the Pakistani government.

PALIN: In order to stop Islamic extremists, those terrorists who would seek to destroy America and our allies, we must do whatever it takes and we must not blink, Charlie, in making those tough decisions of where we go and even who we target.

GIBSON: And let me finish with this. I got lost in a blizzard of words there. Is that a yes? That you think we have the right to go across the border with or without the approval of the Pakistani government, to go after terrorists who are in the Waziristan area?

PALIN: I believe that America has to exercise all options in order to stop the terrorists who are hell bent on destroying America and our allies. We have got to have all options out there on the table.

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Yes, children need textbooks, but AGAIN you avoided the ISSUE, which was that McCAIN LIED and DISTORTED the FACTS. The legislation was NOT for sex education, as his ad stated. If he felt that the money would be better spent on textbooks, then that's what the ad should have said instead of being DELIBERATELY MISLEADING (DoubleJ, I used all caps for you since you found them so helpful).

As for tempest in a teapot that the "lipstick" remark has become, FS, Senator Obama was not in the least bit open-ended. Here's his exact quote and he obviously is NOT referring to Governor Palin:
"Let's just list this for a second. John McCain says he's about change, too. Except -- and so I guess his whole angle is, "Watch out, George Bush, except for economic policy, health-care policy, tax policy, education policy, foreign policy, and Karl Rove-style politics. We're really gonna shake things up in Washington." That's not change. That's just calling some -- the same thing, something different. But you know, you can -- you know, you can put lipstick on a pig; it's still a pig."

And regarding SC's comments, he is doing his job as a moderator and trying to keep the discussion in line and on topic. I, for one, am grateful.


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Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Yes, children need textbooks, but AGAIN you avoided the ISSUE, which was that McCAIN LIED and DISTORTED the FACTS. The legislation was NOT for sex education, as his ad stated. If he felt that the money would be better spent on textbooks, then that's what the ad should have said instead of being DELIBERATELY MISLEADING (DoubleJ, I used all caps for you since you found them so helpful).


You don't have to use caps, I'm not illiterate like the children Obama's education record has failed in the past.

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
As for tempest in a teapot that the "lipstick" remark has become, FS, Senator Obama was not in the least bit open-ended.


No, I agree. It's pretty obvious what he implied.

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
And regarding SC's comments, he is doing his job as a moderator and trying to keep the discussion in line and on topic. I, for one, am grateful.


I agree. Maybe he can take me to the Bronx Zoo someday, I'd like to go.



Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #509236
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You asked for a answer about the LIPSTICK issue, I told you what the difference was to many people. The feeling is that he played it lose and free knowing that it was a focal point in her speach about herself. I know it is starting to get petty, and the race is a close one. But I would expect more from the people who are running then this kind of ball busting in either direction. I'm sure we both can understand their points even if you don't agree with it.

and it dosen't take a college degree to understand what is going on between SC and Double-J so lets not even go there!
Even if SC is your friend.


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Not to get too far afield, although others apparently feel free to do so, friendship has nothing to do with any of it. SC has acted in his role as moderator, and done so efficiently and effectively. It's obvious from other member's posts that Double J's antics were annoying, at the least, and at times downright offensive. Please don't tell me where to go or not to go.

as for the caps, double j, you were the one that mentioned gratitude for them in an earlier post. i was just trying to make you happy. you guys are tough to please. you still, however, managed to avoid the issue, which was that mccain's ad was an outright, pants on fire lie.

As for the Lipstick remark, how could anyone, reading the entire quote as posted above, believe that it referred to Governor Palin? And my question about the ad was directed at double j, because I have asked him the question at least 5 times in this thread and he has never directly answered the question.

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Sarah Palin Record :

294 Alaska public schools progressed under NCLB.

Supported parental choice for what is best for their children.

Reduced general fund spending by $124 million.

Supported free market capitalism.

Vetoed bill denying benefits to gays, as unconstitutional.

Proposed to Register sex offenders; & investigate internet sex crimes.

Supporter of collecting DNA samples from felons.

Highway fatalities are down because of her proposal to implement strict drunk driving laws.

An advocate in support of producing more of our own oil & gas, for national security.

Chaired the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission.

Submitted legislation to build natural AGIA gas pipeline.

Proposed that Exxon-Mobil should pay $507 million for Exxon Valdez spill.

Vetoed nearly half a billion dollars in wasteful spending.

Advocated that Doctors should manage health care, not bureaucracies.

Proposed that there be more flexibility in government regulations to allow competition which would create more affordable health care.

As mayor she supported cutting property taxes.

She proposed that there be no income tax and no taking the people's dividends.

Wants exit plan for Iraq; also wants assurances to keep our troops safe.


Barack Obama Record :

Missed vote for an amendment to the Homeland Security Act bill which required the inspection of all cargo traveling on passenger aircrafts.

Voted against providing $6.4 billion is for Gulf Coast hurricane relief efforts.

Voted against providing funding in emergency aid for farmers.

Voted against providing funding to upgrade port and mass transit security.

Voted against providing $650 million to increase funding for children’s health care.

Voted against an amendment to the annual defense appropriations bill which would have set a firm deadline for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.

Voted against establishing a free trade zone between the United States, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Nicaragua.

Is not voting on a bill to provide funding for the Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program.

Is not voting on a bill to amend the Commodity Exchange Act, which will prevent excessive price speculation with respect to energy commodities.

Abstained from voting on a bill which authorized appropriations assistance to foreign countries to combat HIV AIDS, tuberculosis, and malaria.

Abstained from voting on a bill which would have established a procedure for authorizing certain acquisitions of foreign intelligence.

Did not vote on a bill to provide incentives for energy production and conservation.

Missed 291 votes (45.5%) during the current Congress.

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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #509244
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I guess I will always be amazed at what some people can see. or better yet what some people can't seem to see.
What is that old expression. You can't see the forrest from the trees, or something like that.

I guess that old rule of: if you don't like something just ignore them/it is only words.

Well, If it is one thing I have learned, it is to know when I am wasting my time. I'm out of this mud puddle. SEE YA!


ONLY gun owners have the POWER to PROTECT and PRESERVE our FREEDOM.
"...it is their (the people's) right and duty to be at all times armed" - Thomas Jefferson, June 5, 1824

Everyone should read. "HOW TO KILL A MOCKING BIRD"

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You really don't expect people to believe your shit do you?

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Originally Posted By: fathersson
Well, If it is one thing I have learned, it is to know when I am wasting my time. I'm out of this mud puddle. SEE YA!


Oh, darn. And we so look forward to when you pop in, make your disparaging remarks and leave until the next time you feel compelled to spread your particular brand of nastiness. Ah, well. We'll just have to muddle on without you.

DC, I'm sure that Sarah Palin did some wonderful things as Governor and Mayor. My concern with her is the fact that she is totally and completely without experience outside of her little world. Saying that being able to see portions of Russia from Alaska gives her international experience is patently absurd. Also, she is a supporter of most issues that I am completely against, mostly the ecology, a woman's right to choose, and gun control.

As for Obama's record, you can spin those things any way you want. I'm sure I could go on a pro-Obama website and quote some glowing statistics. Actually, if you go on the Library of Congress' website, you will see that he has actually been quite active in his 3 years as a junior senator. Most of his legislative effort has been in the area of Energy Efficiency and Climate Change (25 bills), health care (21 bills) and public health (20 bills), consumer protection/labor (14 bills), the needs of Veterans and the Armed Forces (13 bills), Congressional Ethics and Accountability (12 bills), Foreign Policy (10 bills) Voting and Elections (9 bills), Education (7 bills), Hurricane Katrina Relief (6), the Environment (5 bills), Homeland Security (4 bills), and discrimination (4 bills). 15 of those bills became law.

If we're voting solely based on a candidate's beliefs, I personally could never vote for the McCain/Palin ticket. Obviously, there are those that would vehemently disagree with me.


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Sarah Palin rubs me the same way as Dick Cheney. I don't think I'd go hunting with either of them.

Her comments on Russia bother me. We are not the world's police and we cannot afford to fight several different wars at once.




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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #509251
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Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Originally Posted By: fathersson
Well, If it is one thing I have learned, it is to know when I am wasting my time. I'm out of this mud puddle. SEE YA!


Oh, darn. And we so look forward to when you pop in, make your disparaging remarks and leave until the next time you feel compelled to spread your particular brand of nastiness. Ah, well. We'll just have to muddle on without you.



Oh, so my remarks are disparaging and I have a particular brand of nastiness hu... OH I'm Soooo hurt by your attack. To think, I was the one leaving to avoid crap?
Well if that was the case, and If I wanted to be nasty I would have addressed you by your nickname...hahahhhaa Which time and time again you prove to everyone that you deserve.

Maybe if you treated everyone on the boards with respect like you do to a select few then maybe, just maybe more of us would come around more often. And then there would be more then just your opinion on things. Which seems to be the only thing you allow.


Last edited by fathersson; 09/12/08 04:04 PM.

ONLY gun owners have the POWER to PROTECT and PRESERVE our FREEDOM.
"...it is their (the people's) right and duty to be at all times armed" - Thomas Jefferson, June 5, 1824

Everyone should read. "HOW TO KILL A MOCKING BIRD"

CAUTION: This Post has not been approved by Don Cardi.

You really don't expect people to believe your shit do you?

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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: fathersson] #509255
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Originally Posted By: fathersson
Maybe if you treated everyone on the boards with respect like you do to a select few then maybe, just maybe more of us would come around more often.


With your attitude, it's a blessing you DON'T come around more often.


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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: fathersson] #509261
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Originally Posted By: fathersson
Maybe if you treated everyone on the boards with respect like you do to a select few then maybe, just maybe more of us would come around more often. And then there would be more then just your opinion on things. Which seems to be the only thing you allow.



I don't allow or disallow anything. That's strictly up to Geoff and SC. I don't make those decisions. And if I did, I wouldn't be NEARLY as nice as them. lol

Opine away. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I enjoy a good debate and I always will. However, when people hide in sarcasm, or silly and offensive photos, then I will object. They're not stating an idea or opinion.

And, FS, if I personally am the sole reason that you don't come around any longer, there are lots of members here who should slip me a bonus this Christmas.

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Originally Posted By: fathersson
If it is one thing I have learned, it is to know when I am wasting my time. I'm out of this mud puddle. SEE YA!


And reading 98% of your posts is a waste of time, too. Your only goal here is apparently to stir up shit. So..... SEE YA! until you can be a good boy. tongue Some others may be following suit if THIS SHIT CONTINUES!



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Hey, fathersson...how's it going!!!

Nice to see you yucking it up with the riff raff. Will probably have to PM you though, as I see someone is looking for a 'bonus' of some sort.

DON CARDI -- EXCELLENT listing of Palin vs. Obama accomplishments. I'll have to get that into circulation!! Don't forget to add those two memoirs he found time to write while getting all that other stuff done.

Apple


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[Do NOT "quote" / attribute words to board members who didn't speak them. --JG]


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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #509270
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DC, I read your statements about Palin.

Governors don't vote. They propose legislation, support legislation, or sign or veto legislation.

Mayors do not raise or lower taxes. They vote as a member of a city council to raise or lower property taxes or to implement or raise or lower sales taxes as well as other municipal fees.

By the way, ever since Geoff published his caution to Board members I've noticed that the tenor of Board posts has been pleasantly mitigated. However, I've also noticed that with the recent deluge of posts by this Double-J character, such tenor has deteriorated again. And now FS caustically reappears.

I echo SB's sentiments.

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Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe

DC, I'm sure that Sarah Palin did some wonderful things as Governor and Mayor. My concern with her is the fact that she is totally and completely without experience outside of her little world.


Since JG deleted what I said, allow me to paraphrase:

SB, I guess that B. Hussein Obama did some mediocre things as Senator and as a career politician. My concern with him is the fact that he is totally and completely without experience outside of his little world.

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