Perhaps both Senator's will have to postpone / delay their campaign so that as Senators they can work on the details to get Congress and the White house to pass the treasury proposal.
They have bigger fish to fry... they should continue with the planned debate. Let the voters decide on what they see.
Perhaps both Senator's will have to postpone / delay their campaign so that as Senators they can work on the details to get Congress and the White house to pass the treasury proposal.
Ha. But he's not even on the committee that will be drafting the legislation. He's got no input on this.
"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when it deserves it"
Ha. But he's not even on the committee that will be drafting the legislation. He's got no input on this.
Then why did Senator Obama call Senator McCain to ask if he would join him in outlining their shared principles and conditions for the Treasury proposal so that together they could get Congress and the White House to pass the proposal?
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Ha. But he's not even on the committee that will be drafting the legislation. He's got no input on this.
Then why did Senator Obama call Senator McCain to ask if he would join him in outlining their shared principles and conditions for the Treasury proposal so that together they could get Congress and the White House to pass the proposal?
Obama called Senator McCain to ask him if he would join in issuing a joint statement outlining shared principles, not shut down and write the whole damn thing. Neither are in a position of economic leadership. Not even close.
But McCain knows he cannot win a debate. He figures he's got a 50/50 shot of winning a contest of meaningless gestures to the masses.
EDIT: Just read that deal on the "bail out" is 98% done. Treasury has capitulated on almost every point. It is circulating NOW. No need to miss a debate!
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"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when it deserves it"
Speculation by Democrats is, a deal will be done in the next 48HRs. McCain knows this so he goes to Washington for a day or two, does really nothing, then tries to take credit for helping both sides get it done.
Speculation by Democrats is, a deal will be done in the next 48HRs. McCain knows this so he goes to Washington for a day or two, does really nothing, then tries to take credit for helping both sides get it done.
Which would amount to nothing more than a glorified photo-op, much like Obama's Europe/Middle-East tour earlier this summer.
That said, with Bush's address tonight asking both to come to the White House, I think Obama if he does do that tomorrow would get.....clemency in that its the President, not the Republican incumbent, asking him to help join in this bi-partisan moment, and not simply Obama's rival.
BTW, doesn't this make McCain look like a fucking pussy now considering he wanted Friday's debate canceled? If that bill is 98% done, as the channels and Saladbar claim it is....and Obama/McCain tomorrow at White House being a glorified photo-op...
I guess the McCain camp feels McCain is sliding in the polls everyday, and has little chance of beating Obama one on one in the debates, so they're pulling another "Palin" to try and change the game again.
Ha. But he's not even on the committee that will be drafting the legislation. He's got no input on this.
Then why did Senator Obama call Senator McCain to ask if he would join him in outlining their shared principles and conditions for the Treasury proposal so that together they could get Congress and the White House to pass the proposal?
It's called a photo-op, and if McCain had gone through with Obama's proposal, it would have helped that Obama campaign, thus McCain flipped it around today...
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I guess the McCain camp feels McCain is sliding in the polls everyday, and has little chance of beating Obama one on one in the debates, so they're pulling another "Palin" to try and change the game again.
Yeah, and apparently it backfired. In a poll released hours after McCain's decision, 86% of Americans think the Debate on Friday Should Go On as Scheduled, with only 10% agreeing with McCain.
To be specific, 50% want the debate on-time, while 36% want that planned-debate on Foreign Policy to be shifted to the Economy.
Sometimes I wonder (lately) if perhaps McCain really doesn't want to win. While true, it' still neck and neck, some of his gaffes have been doozies. Maybe he just figures, I don't need this?
I read on Huffingto Post (FWIW) that McCain is asking to cancel/postpone the VP debate as well.
But, I agree wih SC, McCain's coming off as looking a little scared. Look, this debate on "foreign policy" is suppose to be in McCain's realm of knowledge, his ballpark, so why weasle out of that one? Although I did hear commentators say, with this financial crisis looming that even a foreign policy debate can be easily connected to economy, especially for a skilled politician.
TIS
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"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
Went the Strings of my heart... wait, this isn't the lyrics game
He - (Simón Bolívar) - was shaken by the overwhelming revelation that the headlong race between his misfortunes and his dreams was at that moment reaching the finishing line. The rest was darkness. "Damn it," He sighed. "How will I ever get out of this labyrinth!"
So what’s the labyrinth?
That’s the mystery isn’t it? Is the labyrinth living or dying? Which is he trying to escape - the world, or, the end of it?
Sometimes I wonder (lately) if perhaps McCain really doesn't want to win. While true, it' still neck and neck, some of his gaffes have been doozies. Maybe he just figures, I don't need this?
I read on Huffingto Post (FWIW) that McCain is asking to cancel/postpone the VP debate as well.
But, I agree wih SC, McCain's coming off as looking a little scared. Look, this debate on "foreign policy" is suppose to be in McCain's realm of knowledge, his ballpark, so why weasle out of that one? Although I did hear commentators say, with this financial crisis looming that even a foreign policy debate can be easily connected to economy, especially for a skilled politician.
TIS
He is trying to win. McCain only benefits by having as few debates as possible and, most especially, allowing Palin to speak as little as possible. Not debating HURTS Obama. McCain on the spot will have to explain why his campaign chief was being a lobbyist for Freddy Mac up until last month, why now he wants to vote on a bill--something he hasn't done in over a year despite being paid to do so, explain why he approved of near total deregulation for several decades, etc.... An unquestioned McCain can win.
"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when it deserves it"
Hi there SB, how are you??? How's everything in the Bay area?
So, am I hearing that there is a "debate commission" (or something of the sort). What happens if McCain wants to postpone and Obama does not????? IMHO there is no "real" reason to postpone. Are there any guidelines?
TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
The Commission on Presidential Debates was set up in the late 80s. It is a non-profit group. A couple of its members are Caroline Kennedy and Alan Simpson.
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Well, the Obama campaign has released a timeline of previous Presidential debates that have gone on despite occuring under a "Crisis"...
1960 DEBATES Sep 26, 1960 Soviets announce ready to put first astronaut into space Oct 7, 1960 Cuba accuses US of links to invasion Pentagon curbs spending in light of trade imbalance Oct 13, 1960 KRUSHCHEV BANGS SHOE ON DESK Bomb injures 33 in Times Square in 3rd explosion in 11 days US embargo on Cuba announced Oct 21, 1960 KRUSHCHEV SAYS USSR HAS NUCLEAR SUBS Gold price problems in world markets
1976 DEBATES Sep 23, 1976 SEC probing US Steel, including Gerald Ford Congressional activities Oct 06, 1976 Chinese nuke tests fallout on US soil Oct 22, 1976 Swine flu vaccine leads the news Oct 15, 1976 (VP) Castro says CIA involved in crash of airliner of Barbados, won’t renew anti-hijack agreement with US. Watergate: no investigation of Ford blocking probe
1980 DEBATES Sep 21, 1980 Iran/Iraq war developments, including US role Cutoff of rail access for West Germany to West Berlin. Follow-up on Titan II Missile explosion earlier in week Oct 28, 1980 Iranian parliament resumes debate on US hostages. Questions of arms to Saudi Arabia from US Record loss for car company from Ford
1984 DEBATES Oct 07, 1984 Space shuttle Challenger difficulties in orbit Oct 21, 1984 El Salvador reports CIA agents killed in plane crash Oct 11, 1984 (VP) Chief Justice Burger blocking abortion for retarded, dead, blind rape victim Threats confirmed of plan to crash plane into US embassy in Middle East
1988 DEBATES Sep 25, 1988 Oct 13, 1988 New stats on growing trade deficit Oct 05, 1988 (VP) US hostages in Lebanon Elections/violence in Chile
1992 DEBATES Oct 11, 1992 Reemergence of tuberculosis Oct 15, 1992 Oct 19, 1992 Oct 13, 1992 (VP)
2000 DEBATES Oct 3, 2000 Oct 11, 2000 Middle East violence erupts Oct 17, 2000 Debate goes in the aftermath of the sudden death of Senator Mel Carnahan Attack of USS Cole occurred 5 days earlier Oct 5, 2000 (VP) Middle East peace talks fall apart
2004 DEBATES Sep 30, 2004 “North Korea has said it has turned plutonium from 8,000 spent fuel rods into nuclear weapons.” [BBC, 9/28/04] Fannie Mae Agreed To ‘Major Changes’ In Its Accounting And Management Practices. [New York Times, 9/28/04] Oct 8, 2004 Oct 13, 2004 Oct 5, 2004 (VP)
Hadn't heard that yet RR. Interesting. Not surprised that Obama did his research.
Although, I can't claim I know the entire story as I was kind of young, I do remember seeing a pictue of Kruschev banging hoe on the desk. Wow!! Talk about ancient news. He always scared me for some reason (I mean just the looks of him ).
TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
I don't know about where you guys live but here I'm not seeing Obama/McCain signs in front yards. With the Bush/Kerry election I seen yard signs all over the place.
Dylan Matthew Moran born 10/30/12
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I noticed that too. I have seen signs for some local officials but none for either Obama or McCain. Of course I can't say I am looking for them, but still it is odd.
I can't believe it'because nobody is paying attention. I mean this is a historic election in several ways.
I know California is traditionally a Blue state, and that Obama isn't really even campaigning here, but I have seen very very few political ads compared to the last election from either candidate.
TIS
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"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
Hi there SB, how are you??? How's everything in the Bay area?
So, am I hearing that there is a "debate commission" (or something of the sort). What happens if McCain wants to postpone and Obama does not????? IMHO there is no "real" reason to postpone. Are there any guidelines?
TIS
We need a wet winter very much in the Bay Area!!
Here is a good article about what is going on with the Presidential debates and how the McCain camp is unprepared and protecting Palin: Pack on debates
"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when it deserves it"
Anyone see Letterman rip McCain last night for canceling at the last minute? Wow. I don't think he'll be back on anytime soon. I'll have to find some video.
I bet Senator McCain will have a hard time sitting after that spanking!
I don't know who is advising Senator McCain right now, but I have to think that it's a complete idiot. First, picking an obscure and inexperienced person who can't deliver a single swing state as the VP candidate, and then suspending the campaign?? What was he thinking? Or was he?? I understand that he wanted to shift that focus away from the polls and look like he was on top of the economic crisis, but my oh my! That just didn't happen, did it??
Long as I remember The rain been coming down. Clouds of Mystery pouring Confusion on the ground. Good men through the ages, Trying to find the sun; And I wonder, Still I wonder, Who'll stop the rain.
How's everything in the Bay area?
I was just about to post this clip!
He always scared me for some reason (I mean just the looks of him ). 
