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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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09/28/08 03:26 PM
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McCain retracts Palin's Pakistan comments that Agreed with ObamaWASHINGTON (CNN)— Sen. John McCain retracted Sarah Palin's stance on Pakistan Sunday morning, after the Alaska governor appeared to back Sen. Barack Obama's support for unilateral strikes inside Pakistan against terrorists "She would not…she understands and has stated repeatedly that we're not going to do anything except in America's national security interest," McCain told ABC's George Stephanopoulos of Palin. "In all due respect, people going around and… sticking a microphone while conversations are being held, and then all of a sudden that's—that's a person's position… This is a free country, but I don't think most Americans think that that's a definitve policy statement made by Governor Palin." Saturday night, while on a stop for cheesesteaks in South Philadelphia, Palin was questioned by a Temple graduate student about whether the U.S. should cross the border from Afghanistan into Pakistan. "If that's what we have to do stop the terrorists from coming any further in, absolutely, we should," Palin said. During Friday night's presidential debate in Mississippi, Obama took a similar stance and condemned the Bush administration for failing to act on the possibility terrorists are in Pakistan. "Nobody talked about attacking Pakistan," Obama said after McCain accused the Illinois senator of wanting to announce an invasion. "If the United States has al Qaeda, bin Laden, top-level lieutenants in our sights, and Pakistan is unable or unwilling to act, then we should take them out." McCain emphasized Sunday, Palin "shares" his view on the matter. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/28/mccain-retracts-palins-pakistan-comments/
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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09/28/08 03:26 PM
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Obama was 5 points ahead of McCain just prior to the debate. An axiom of Presidential debates is that they favor the underdog: he has less to lose than the leader; and when both share the podium, both have equal stature. McCain showed two advantages: First, he constantly put Obama on the defensive by making him respond to his criticisms. Time after time, McCain made an accusation that Obama chose to respond to, instead of moving the debate somewhere that Obama wanted it to go. As one observer said, "Obama needs to improve his counterpunching." Second, McCain's answers were shorter, crisper, showed more "emotional" content. Obama's answers, while far more thoughtful, were longer, more convoluted, and he hesitated and stuttered. Obama scored early on the bailout plan, but McCain rescued himself by accusing Obama of $932 million in earmarks for Illinois (which Obama didn't refute), and made him defend $18 billion in earmarks as being less than $300 million--when Obama should have said that the GOP invented earmarks. Obama's position on talking to enemies was far more thoughtful than McCain's. But McCain, sensing that Obama is vulnerable with Jewish voters, hammered on Iran and "no preconditions." One of the reasons we've lost so much prestige and influence in the world is because we talk only to friendly nations, but I suspect the voters will like McCain's position better than Obama's because Obama's is harder to defend. McCain undoubtedly thought out the use of "Senator Obama just doesn't understand..." Obama should have forcefully slapped him down with the first use of that phrase. He never took it on head-on. I believe that, on content, Obama won. And McCain at times looked tired and old. But televised debates are about image and impressions. Even if it was a draw, it benefited McCain more than Obama.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Turnbull]
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09/28/08 03:30 PM
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I believe that, on content, Obama won. And McCain at times looked tired and old. But televised debates are about image and impressions. Even if it was a draw, it benefited McCain more than Obama. I agree it was a Draw, but because its a draw, it helps Obama more by default because McCain needed a clear victory to gain traction back in the polls, and so far, that hasn't been shown to be the case. Maybe that won't be so tomorrow or next few days, who knows.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Just Lou]
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09/28/08 03:46 PM
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It's loading 100%, but it stops at 2 secs. I don't know. It's not my connection. I have 20MB FiOS. Alright, let me try to find another link... EDIT - Alright, try the official video at THIS WEEK's website: http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Just Lou]
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09/28/08 03:55 PM
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I got to hear it, but after it loaded, I had it going from the BB screen which RR loaded it, and the YouTube screen came up and played as well. I was getting an echo.  So I stopped one ad heard the other. Yea, I don't know if it's a matter of being "off", or if we are just getting to see more of McCain, thus knowing him better. With all that's going on, he could be a little "off." TB, I can concede the debate, for the most part was a draw. Yet I see the edge still to favor Obama. For one thing, I don't think the attack mode McCain used, faired well, and/or he didn't use it properly; and the fact that he didn't look at Obama thru the entire debate didn't sit well with me either. But...that's just my opinion ad you what they say about opinions.  TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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09/28/08 04:01 PM
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McCain was on THIS WEEK today, but...is it me, or is there something off about him today? Tell me if I'm being silly or not... "The option of doing nothing is not an acceptable option" ?? ...And then the rest of the stumbling through his words?
Long as I remember The rain been coming down. Clouds of Mystery pouring Confusion on the ground. Good men through the ages, Trying to find the sun; And I wonder, Still I wonder, Who'll stop the rain.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: olivant]
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09/28/08 05:31 PM
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DC, here's a quote from Obama's debate comments:
"But we can't do it if we are not willing to give Iraq back its country. Now, what I've said is we should end this war responsibly. We should do it in phases. But in 16 months we should be able to reduce our combat troops, put -- provide some relief to military families and our troops and bolster our efforts in Afghanistan so that we can capture and kill bin Laden and crush al Qaeda." And here is another..... OBAMA: "I think the first question is whether we should have gone into the war in the first place."No. The question now is how they plan on reducing troop presence in Iraq. Tell the voters EXACTLY how you plan to provide relief. Not IF we should have gone in there. We did and it's overwith. We are there. Move on and outline a plan! Stop with the generalizations and provide some real solid ideas. And that goes for BOTH candidates here. "The next president of the United States is going to have to decide how we leave, when we leave, and what we leave behind. That's the decision of the next president of the United States."And if it's a matter of Obama trying to discredit McCain's credibility, well then McCain supporters can also pick out quotes from that debate which could discredit Obama's credibility. They can go back and forth all day. But what does that solve? That is NOT what this should be about. We've seen enough of the finger pointing and the he did this and he did that bullshit over the last 8 years between the parties and look at where it's gotten our country! I want these two candidates to stick to the facts, and debate the issues and not to start in with the "we shouldn't have done this" and "your party shouldn't have done that" bullshit. What's done is done and now the people, the voters, need to hear from BOTH candidates exactly WHAT they respectively plan to do to remedy the problems that we are CURRENTLY facing in this country.
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Don Smitty]
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09/28/08 07:06 PM
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The liberal media and MSNBC are out of control. I don't know if anyone here has talked about it or have seen it but MSNBC has been playing a tv ad that talks about John McCains skin cancer. They are trying to make people think that he is going to die in office. These kind of attacks are disgusting. MSNBC is the only station that was airing these ads. As of a few days ago they stopped because of all of the complaints they have received. The ads were horrible. MSNBC is the official news station of Obama. They are horrible.
ds But tell me, was FOX NEWS part of the "stabilized" news media when earlier they were pondering if Obama's campaign "fist bumps" were a terrorist signal or if Obama was a muslim operative or whatever nonsense? And you worry so much about MSNBC...last I checked, they were 3rd in the cable ratings, behind Fox News and CNN. With your opinions so far DS, I recommend that you only watch FNC for now on, and you won't ever be insulted ever again. Of course, I watch none of them so I don't have to worry about any of this.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Don Cardi]
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09/28/08 07:09 PM
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That is NOT what this should be about. We've seen enough of the finger pointing and the he did this and he did that bullshit over the last 8 years between the parties and look at where it's gotten our country!
I want these two candidates to stick to the facts, and debate the issues and not to start in with the "we shouldn't have done this" and "your party shouldn't have done that" bullshit. What's done is done and now the people, the voters, need to hear from BOTH candidates exactly WHAT they respectively plan to do to remedy the problems that we are CURRENTLY facing in this country.
Should be, but that's not American Politics. Two things move the world: Money and Bullshit, and both candidates want to win, and they'll say anything to get elected. Besides, as for "facts," remember when Mondale at the 1984 DNC said that he admitted that he would raise taxes if elected? Well Reagan promptly beat him in the biggest landslide in American history.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: olivant]
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09/28/08 08:28 PM
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DC, neither of the candidates is President yet. Thus, neither has the necessary exposure to military commanders and the Joint Chiefs or the level of information on which to base an Iraq exit strategy. Now that may be true about Senator Obama, I don't know for sure, but it certainly is NOT true about Senator McCain! McCain served as the Navy's liaison to the U.S. Senate which eventually led to his becoming a member of the Armed Services Committee. He also was a member of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. It's documented that Senator John McCain has had enormous exposure to Military Commanders and members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Exposure and talks with high ranking military officials such as Joint Chiefs Of Staff Chairman Richard Meyers and military Generals such as David Petraeus. Obama has stated that he anticipates withdrawal within 16 months. That's all he can realistically state. Ok, fine. But why doesn't he tell the people on what basis he "realistically" anticipates a withdrawal within 16 months? What does he base that anticipation on? Again, I am not singling out Senator Obama or Senator McCain. I am simply stating that BOTH candidates need to make themselves clear on how they plan on resolving many of the issues that our country has faced both domestically and internationally.
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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