SB, SB......You know damn well that I, like you, love eating a juicy hamburger or a great steak. I'm not criticizing you by any means for that.

What bothers me in this thread is that all of a sudden people are nitpicking when it comes to Governor Palin. All of a sudden there seems to be an influx of animal rights advocates popping up all over the place. It's a hypocrisy. Let's be honest here, the only reason that people are pointing something like this out is because they are trying to attack Palin. It's not because they are really so appalled at the idea that wolves are being shot! If one is so offended by the shooting of wolves, then one should also be very offended by the mistreatment of cows too.



So?.... when are we going to get together for a nice big juicy steak dinner?

Or just added the number of McCain's houses to the states.

Hmmm, maybe that'd be 58 or 59, too.

The Catsup aka Ketchup that people like SB puts on those hamburgers made from those abused cows?

Maybe they were afraid that he would be mistaken for a wolve by someone in a helicopter.

Dunno about Hawaii, but nobody gives a shit about what comes out of Alaska.

How can she may name those cases? Shit not even I know all the exact names of those Supreme Court cases, but I know of them...

OH WAIT you mean "how many Couric can name?"

Well, enough to act like that she knows.

You mean outside of oil or NORTHERN EXPOSURE?

Dunno... they're both kind of CRUDE to me.

But cows don't look like our pet dogs at home, do they?

It's like that cafe conversation in PULP FICTION, where John Travolta goes at Samuel L. Jackson for thinking dogs are cleaner animals than pigs because they are "charming"...despite the fact that many of them each their own poop.

As for the Palin thing, the hunting doesn't bother me. Dubya was a hunter, as was Dick "Don't Hunt with Me" Cheney:D, and I've never criticized them for that. I mean why not?

But shooting from a helicopter? That's fucking "REDNECK" in a bad way...and that's coming from a genuine redneck.

Oh HAR HAR!

The way I look at it is, last election man did these political threads get vicious. Nobody dared support Kerry here. There was slamming of him, his military record (God forbid anyone say anything at all about John Boy's record), there was constant mocking, anger, gloating you name it, every emotion imagineable. The board was much more on the conservative side than not. I have no qualms whatsoever this time around, it going to the left. As a matter of fact, I am enjoying it.

I can't finish my thoughts. My daughter's on the phone. Anyway, proceed.

TIS

I'd forgive her if she played Wagner's Flight of the Valkyries when she went for hunting

An additional four years of Bush can have that effect.

In all honesty TIS, I don't see any kind of extremism here from either side this time around. I really think that overall, in general, both sides are actually going more towards the center.

No. YOU'VE moved towards the center. Almost everyone else here is two steps ahead, err, I mean, to the left of you.

Yes I meant many. Thanks

Hey, not everyone can be as open minded and as perfect as I am!

DC, Sorry. If she can't stand the heat, then tell her to get out of the kitchen (and that's in no way meant to be sexist). Governor Palin agreed to be in the spotlight. She agreed out of ambition or out of a sense of dedication to public service, perhaps a bit of both. She had to know what she was getting into. If she can't take it, then too bad. If Senator Obama and his wife have to explain the cover of The New Yorker to their children, then I think she can handle having animal rights activists knocking at her door.

Personally, I think it's a disgrace, but it's what the campaigns come down to. It should be about the issues and her views, and how personally a voter feels about them. I am far more appalled about her devotion to a rigid and compassionless pro-life agenda than her wanting to shoot at wolves from a plane. I am far more appalled by her objection to gun control laws than her personal use of guns. I am more concerned that she believes that the war from Iraq is a holy one and that it's all part of God's plan. Personally, I believe in God. I believe He has a plan for all of us. But I'm not the President, I'm not a heartbeat away from the President, and if I were, my personal religious views should in no way, shape or form have any bearing on my decisions for the future of this country.

And, yes, Mig, I feel fairly confident that Katie Couric can name more than one case. And if she couldn't, I wouldn't be nearly as upset as I am about the fact that Governor Palin, who is running for the second highest office in the land, couldn't come up with Brown v. the Board of Education of Topeka or Plessy v. Ferguson, which I think just about any 12 year old in the USA can name.

Zing!

You think Palin would even escape the first round of ARE YOU SMARTER THAN A 5TH GRADER?

But you have to admit SB, the way the media went after her daughter was just wrong.

To be fair to Palin, she did respond months back to the Exxon/Valdez appeal decision by the Supreme Court:

""I am extremely disappointed with today's decision by the U.S. Supreme Court," Palin said. "While the decision brings some degree of closure to Alaskans suffering from 19 years of litigation and delay, the court gutted the jury's decision on punitive damages." "

http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/062608/sta_295993390.shtml

So at least she knows of that one too, at the time.

I don't think anyone here will disagree with you there.

Yes, I do. However, I also think that Governor Palin had to know that she was forcing her 17 year old unwed and very pregnant daughter to give birth in the media glare.

I was not particualry sticking up for her. You've obviously missed my point.

Is that the same as a former married President forcing his intern to give blowjobs in the oval office? Aren't you one of the people who always said that the personal lives of those in office should have no bearing on the political position that is being served?

I know you weren't. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you were decrying that the concentration was on nitpicking stupid stuff instead of sticking to the issues. However, the rest of my post went on to lament the fact that perhaps a concentration of the issues would be worse for her. At least from MY POV.

Which leads me to another "vent" ...... Can you imagine IF that was Obama's pregnant 17 year old daughter?????? The media and the righteous right would have a field day.


DC, I agree thus far, this election is not quite as brutal thankfully. But, we have what 30 days to go???? A lot can happen in 30 days.


TIS

DC, yes. I DO. And if you read my post, then you will see that I AGREED with Mig that the media treated her daughter disgracefully. HOWEVER, I also believe that the media was going to go after her no matter what. And that Governor Palin had to know that in advance.

That doesn't make it right. It's just the reality.

And by the way, FORCING??? I don't think that Monica ever made any allegations of rape. Did I miss some big news story?