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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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10/01/08 10:43 PM
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And by the way, FORCING??? I don't think that Monica ever made any allegations of rape. Did I miss some big news story? C'mon now SB, let's not play with words here. She was just ayoung girl. I am not sayig that he "physically" forced her to do so. I am in no way saying that she was totally innocent. But let's be realistic. He was the President of the USA and she was a young intern. I would venture to guess that while he absolutely did not "physically" force her, he did somehow force, or perhaps a better word is convince her to perform the act. Not saying that she didn't enjoy it, but common sense says that he, being who he was, somehow manipulated her.
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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10/01/08 10:58 PM
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And it was a disgrace that his infidelity was smeared all over for the world to see, However, I'm more concerned with what happens on November 4th of THIS year.
I agree 100%. I apologize for bringing up the Clinton saga. But I just wanted to point out that what was considered unfair for one should also be considered unfair for the other. Now on to current events! On to Nov. 4th 2008!
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Mignon]
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10/01/08 10:58 PM
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There is no way in hell that what he did was acceptable. None. But he was president a number of years ago, and has no bearing on THIS election. And, Olivant, what her daughter did may or may not be morally objectionable. And, yes, I see what you mean about the parading of the baby's father. But, she's still a kid, a kid who made a mistake and is doing the best she can to live with the consequences of her actions. To have to do it under a microscope is a horrible situation. What I fear is that this girl's pregnancy, and her parent's acceptance of it, makes it appear acceptable to OTHER young girls. And perhaps those girls won't have the family and financial support that Miss Palin does. Edit: And I wouldn't have to worry about an older man making moves on my daughter. I would just send her Uncle Cardi after him. All taken care of.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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10/01/08 11:37 PM
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I don't like to judge people. What may be morally objectionable to you may NOT be morally objectionable to me, and conversely. As I said, she's a kid. She made a mistake. How is that a mistake? Wait, I know. As long as she doesn't become pregnant, then it's not a mistake. I see. She's a kid? The age of consent in Alaska is 16. So, if murder is not morally objectionable to you, then murder is okay with you? This is so very interesting.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Just Lou]
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10/02/08 08:30 AM
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The Italian Stallionette
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Just a couple observations that perhaps may open a discussion: 1. Anyone notice how CNN site use to show the polls at the bottom of their political page every day? Now, since Obama has a lead, you have to go to the political map to get info. (that's the rightwing media for you) 2. I assume most will watch the VP debate tonight right? Watching all the pundits, I am hearing of all the dos and don'ts that Biden should abide by so as not to come across as condesending, sexist or mean. LMAO. My God, is this precious little flower so delicate that she can't be debated????? I'll bet the Neocons have their talking points already made up accusing Biden of just those things. Heck, Hillary camp did it too, making accusations of sexism. I just dontnecessarily buy into that. At times, it seems a handy excuse. If you want to debate, you can do it without insults sure, but expect a debate and don't expect to be handled with kid gloves just because you're a woman.  Besides, she may do much better than expected, if we are to believe the taling heads tht she does hold her own in a debate. TIS
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Just Lou]
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10/02/08 09:04 AM
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Well, I'm hearing too, that it's really too late for him to "change" his VP choice. It wouldn't make him look good, that's for sure. On the other hand, as far as the debates go, "they" say she does hold her own. They showed a tidbit of her debate with her opponent when she ran for governor. In her favor, I think she has a likeability factor. Granted, that is not reason to vote for someone, but that is the case for many people.  She may not do as badly as many think. We'll see. TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Just Lou]
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10/02/08 09:40 AM
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Ralph Kramden: "It's a landslide". Classic, Lou.  And I'm starting to agree. Barring a monumental October surprise, I can not fathom Obama losing.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: The Italian Stallionette]
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10/02/08 09:43 AM
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Yes, I do. However, I also think that Governor Palin had to know that she was forcing her 17 year old unwed and very pregnant daughter to give birth in the media glare. Which leads me to another "vent"  ...... Can you imagine IF that was Obama's pregnant 17 year old daughter?????? The media and the righteous right would have a field day.  TIS I agree with TIS’ statement if the shoe was on the other foot. I can hear all the Fox, right-wing zealots now if Obama’s teenager was pregnant: “See, another black, unwed teenager having a baby. It never ends.” While I agree that these public officials families are off-limits, they are still going to come under some scrutiny regardless. Anyone seeking political office understands that. Here is why I have no respect whatsoever for Palin as a person, let alone her political stances and her ignorance of so many important aspects regarding the office she is seeking. Palin is an abomination as a parent. I agree that it is not Palin’s fault that her 17 year old kid is pregnant. Regardless, a teenage daughter needs full support to raise a baby. My wife brought up a great point last night about when she had our first child at age 34. My wife called and needed her own mother consistently with many questions about the baby. How in the world is Palin’s 17 year old supposed to get support from the VP of the United State? Worst of all, the baby is the one who ultimately impacted by poor decisions of a teenage mother. My biggest criticism of Palin as a mother is the neglect of her infant child. How can Palin sleep at night with a Downs Syndrome infant, who needs the attention, affection, and love of both parents far more than a healthy child? I respect Palin's attempt to juggle family and career. But she is running for the world’s 2nd most powerful position, which demands far more than 99% of the jobs we hold. What if the baby needs its mom and Palin is across the world in a meeting or is being briefed about a possible terrorist attack? This is not like you or I getting a call from school that our child is sick and we leave work. It’s quite obvious that Palin's career ambitions are number one and the needs of her family are a distant second. I find that despicable. Here’s another scenario that scares the hell out of me: six months into the presidency, John McCain suffers a stroke or heart attack and cannot make decisions for the country. Palin assumes the role as Commander-in-Chief and needs to meet with Iraqi leaders, or to discuss a military response in Pakistan or Iran, etc. Or worse yet, McCain is incapacitated for 3 months and Palin has to nominate a Supreme Court Justice. Given the ignorance she displayed with Katie Couric in regarding Supreme Court decisions, our country cannot afford for Palin to be learning on the job. How these hypothetical (yet very possible) examples do not instill complete fear into all voters is incomprehensible to me.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: pizzaboy]
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10/02/08 10:06 AM
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Goombah, good to see you back. I've missed you.
As a mother who works outside the home, I would love to say, "Why should Sarah Palin be punished for being female?", and truly mean it. While it SOUNDS good, but it really isn't the truth. I know from experience that no matter where you are, you feel pulled towards the other, either work or home. And I can't imagine that nightmare if one my daughters had been a special-needs child.
Yes, it's unfair. Yes, it's sexist. Yes, nobody has asked Obama how he would juggle being President and having two young daughters. But the truth is, in most households the mother is the primary caregiver, even if both parents work outside the home. So, yes, Sarah Palin is being punished for being a woman and a mother, but I can't help feeling the way I feel.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Just Lou]
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10/02/08 10:12 AM
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A new Washington Post/ABC News poll shows that 1/3 of registered voters now say they are less likely to vote for John McCain due to his pick of Sarah Palin. Ouch. I don't believe that. Yeah I'm with several of you on Palin as a dud here, but people don't vote for the VP. They just don't vote for the top-ticket person. 
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