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Hagen's mistress
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10/06/08 06:52 PM
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Does it really make sense that Hagen has a mistress? In the book we find the following passage: Sonny Corleone, his heavy Cupid-shaped face drawn with fatigue, was sipping at a glass of water. He must still be humping that maid of honor, Hagen thought. Another worry. This implies that something like having extra-marital affairs can be dangerous. If that's true, why should Tom, the most rational person, take such a risk? My guess: FFC invented this phrase for the sake of the scene, to make the humiliation stronger: If Tom has a mistress, Michael would be probably one of the few people to know.
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Re: Hagen's mistress
[Re: Turnbull]
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10/07/08 04:31 AM
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When Michael says, "...take your wife and your mistress," note how the camera focuses on Neri and his smirk. I took that to mean that Neri was the source of the info. Amazing Turnbull ! just saw that !
Chris: DOES THIS LOOK LIKE THE SENATE TO YOU ( T ) ???!!!
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Re: Hagen's mistress
[Re: Don Dallal]
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10/07/08 02:11 PM
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What is evenbetter is what happens next. Tom asks Michael why does he hurt him all the time, and protests his loyalty, then in Italian Michael asks if he is staying, and Tom replies that he is.
Then immediately Tom goes into his non-wartime consigliere mode. He tells Michael he's won. That he doesn't have to kill anyone. That it would be impossible to get to Roth. He gets flushed and asks "Do you have to rub everyone out?" And Michael says "Only my enemies." This is really for the benefit of Rocco and Neri, not Tom. And Michael lets him have it again. He says "You surprise me Tom." Says history proves you can kill anyone." Then he turns to Rocco who immediately contradicts Tom on Roth saying the hit is "difficult, not impossible."
Tom then is further humiliated not only by Michael but also by Rocco and Neri (who were both in the room with Michael before Tom came in.)
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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Re: Hagen's mistress
[Re: dontomasso]
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10/07/08 02:28 PM
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Inexcusable. The "benefit" for Rocco and Neri was that, by humiliating Tom publicly, he made it impossible for either of them to disagree with whacking Roth. So, when he turned and said, "Rocco?" poor Rocco had no choice but to say, "Difficult, not impossible" if he didn't want to be put in the same sh*t-can that Michael had just put Tom. It was Michael at his most ruthlessly manipulative.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Hagen's mistress
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10/07/08 03:16 PM
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Inexcusable. The "benefit" for Rocco and Neri was that, by humiliating Tom publicly, he made it impossible for either of them to disagree with whacking Roth. So, when he turned and said, "Rocco?" poor Rocco had no choice but to say, "Difficult, not impossible" if he didn't want to be put in the same sh*t-can that Michael had just put Tom. It was Michael at his most ruthlessly manipulative. Exactly, and he was also playing Rocco so he would think that if he volunteered to go on the Roth suicide mission and somehow survive, he would become Neri's equal.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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Re: Hagen's mistress
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The novel makes no mention of a mistress, and the only reference to a mistress, in GFII, doesn't identify her. But, Sandra wins by default: I can't imagine Tom spending enough time away from the compound to even meet another woman, much less woo her.
At one time I was going to start a thread: "Did Tom have a life?" I didn't, because he didn't. Can you imagine Tom telling Michael, "Hey Mikie, I'm taking Teresa and the kids to Disneyland. See you in two weeks."
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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