On the news this morning, they said that the press conference would be 2:30 EST.

It makes sense TIS, especially here in CA. People were so out their minds crazy for Obama that anyone who didn't support him was viewed on similar grounds as Hitler. They wouldn't say that, but it's how they act. I ranted about this before.

It would make sense that kids would share the same views as their parents, and just as passionately, to the point of fighting at school over it. People take on a sports mentality when it comes to elections so that they can't appreciate the democratic process once it's over, whether your candidate won or lost.

Nothing is going to change. One man can't do anything in 4-8 years because there is always someone there to fight. This is why I'm not upset by Obama winning. The only good thing to come out of this is our first Black/White president.

But utter lack of experience & knowledge of Africa and NAFTA are beside the point. McCain's campaign picked her, who rode the bubble of her (brief) popular support, who turned loose this lady - an unknown quantity - on the campaign trail to create fear and hate AND NOW are the ones criticizing HER in order to save their own careers by leaking these little tidbits to the conservative FOX newS?

The alleged attack occurred in a black neighborhood. Definitely not an area where a "white gang" would be cruising around. It also occurred around 10PM, but now he says 11PM. Obama wasn't declared the winner until after 11PM. Perhaps it is true, but most believe it's a hoax. Nothing new in the news yet today.

The alleged attack occurred in a black neighborhood. Definitely not an area where a "white gang" would be cruising around. It also occurred around 10PM, but now he says 11PM. Obama wasn't declared the winner until after 11PM. Perhaps it is true, but most believe it's a hoax. Nothing new in the news yet today.[/quote]

Alright well do let us know if any updates come your way.

Nobody wants to be the scapegoat, that's why.

And its been known for months that Palin was a compromise pick. McCain wanted his buddy Joe Lieberman or Tom Ridge, while McCain's campaign chief Schmidt (a Rove protege) wanted Mitt Romney.

That said, Palin was still a poor pick, and the GOP of the immediate future is fucked if they think seriously that she's the future of the party.

The future is Bobby Jindal.

*shudder*. Anything coming out of Louisiana makes me shudder.

Then again, I came out of Louisiana!

Jazz? Gumbo? Terry Bradshaw?

That Press Conference didn't reveal as much as some had hoped, and revealed more than others figured.

The way I see it, considering how Dubya has been a lame duck, invivisible suit in the Oval Office in this year, Obama had to give a press conference based around roughly the Economy, so to stop the Stock Market drops this week, but also reassure folks in general.

Because that is what a LEADER does. Obama's not President yet, but he's now the Nation's Daddy, so to speak.

Notice too how on the Iran question, he deflected it and tried to assure Americans like Joe the Plumber that his "No Preconditions" line is in the past and dead/buried like WCW, though left a small hole to which diplomatic negotiations could be made in the future. (Another reason why the Emanuel pick was good, for it reassured those 25% Jews who voted for McCain that Obama won't go all nuts or abandon Israel or whatever).

It won't happen, but imagine if Warren Bufffett was Secretary of the Treasury.

Speaking of which, word is out that upon taking office, Obama WON'T RAISE Taxes for the first two years, especially on the upper-class...which I think was smart.

The question is, will the liberals in Congress go along with him, who only want to punish rich people?

FBI probing apparent Obama-related assault on Staten Island
by Staten Island Advance

Friday November 07, 2008, 5:44 PM

The FBI has joined the investigation into an alleged racially-motivated beating that took place on Staten Island election night, where a black teenager says he was attacked by a group of white men with bats who yelled "Obama."

The U.S. District Attorney's Office for the Eastern District of New York announced today that it and the FBI are investigating the assault of 17-year-old Ali Kamara, a black Muslim who reported he was beaten in apparent retaliation to Tuesday's historic election.

Kamara says he was jumped on Pine Place in the borough's Stapleton community at about 11 p.m., the time Barack Obama was declared winner of the presidential election, by a car-load of white men wielding baseball bats who shouted, "Obama!"

Robert Nardoza, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office, called the feds' involvement in such a case "normal" and said it would be working jointly with the county district attorney and NYPD's Hate Crimes Task Force.

A police spokesman said that the attack on Kamara has not been officially classified as a hate crime. The beating is so far the only assault alleged to be connected to the presidential election reported in the city.

This story seems very fishy. There are a lot of questions left open.

The sad truth is, the kid could be telling the truth, but nobody believes him because 9 out 10 times, stories like this turn out to be hoaxes.

I have to give one person credit for getting it right. Jack Cafferty said it was "game over" for McCain as soon as he picked her.

C'mon, Lou. Give us credit. So did we!!

Very true. I have to admit though, I wasn't too sure how women and the radical right were going feel about her. ...At least the women got it right.

So did Peggy Noonan. By the way, I wonder if she got any shit from her party over her remarks?

Btw, what happened with the Al Franken votes? Last I heard, there was about 150 votes they "found" that went to Franken. I mean it is really close.


TIS

I acknowledge that CA is definitely a "Blue" state, but disagree with the accusations you make on the Obama supporters(for the most part) Even at my workplace, we try NOT to discuss politics, but I find the opposite. The McCain supporters that I've come in contact with and/or heard during discussions I tend to avoid at certain places like work,are very very resentful, mean spirited and full of hate. I don't say there are NO Obama supporters that are that way, but in my encounters anyway, I think the right has come across as such haters and poor losers.

Everyone at work received two/three e-mails from a few of our obviously avid McCain supporters accusing Obama of the usual Neo spin of being a terrorist and if you don't want end of days type thing, vote for McCain. Finally, the administration had to step in and notify via mass e-mail that he could not do that. Yet, I received nothing at work which was accusatory about McCain.

TIS

All extremists hate, Tis. Whether it's the extreme left OR the extreme right.

That's why I'm always quick to point out that any extreme thinking, be it political or religious, is very dangerous.

You know I've been on board with Obama since day one, but I've met more than a few leftist psychos in my day.

I don't disagree with that PB. If you are on the losing end of an election (as the Left was twice), you do tend to be more bitter.


TIS

She got called a R.I.N.O. (Republican In Name Only) by the NeoCon bastion at the National Review, which as a paper has just gone down the fucking tubes in terms of intelligence.

To put it another way, those same jerks called George Will a RINO too because he hated the Palin pick too, and he's more traditional true Conservative than any of those bozos will ever hope be.

As I've said before, and hell William Buckley warned about this as Ideological Suicide, but this circular firing squad occuring right now in the GOP that demand Palin to be a litmus on Republicanism, and some morons like Limbaugh and Gingrich who insist that the GOP lost in 2006 and 2008 because those campaigns weren't conservative enough.

And yet that party's problem is that for 2008, they were still using the same stump speech used in 1980. That party needs to lose a few election cycles before they finally get their shit together and re-define what "Conservatism" means.

If I'm Senator Coleman, and Franken ends up winning, I would be incredibly depressed that a fucking comedian with NO political experience has beaten me.

Good post, Ronnie

I kind of like Noonan. If nothing else, she's VERY bright. A fantastic journalist, even if I don't agree with her politics.

Obama wins electoral vote in Nebraska

For the first time ever, a blue circle will appear in Nebraska on national electoral maps.

Democrat Barack Obama won the Omaha-based 2nd Congressional District on Friday, scooping up one of the state's five electoral votes.

In the process, he made history and shone the spotlight on Nebraska's unusual electoral college system.

Obama won 8,434 of 15,039 mail-in ballots counted Friday by Douglas County election officials. These early ballots arrived in the election commissioner's office too late to be included in Tuesday's election results.

The additional votes gave Obama a 1,260-vote lead over Republican John McCain in unofficial returns. McCain won the popular vote statewide and four electoral votes.

About 5,000 provisional ballots in Douglas County remain to be counted next week, but they are unlikely to change the 2nd District outcome. About half of such ballots typically are disqualified.

"We always knew we could do it, but it would be an uphill climb. It's great to see a little corner of Nebraska turn blue," said John Berge, state director for the Obama campaign.

Berge said the victory was a tribute to all the work done by staffers and the hundreds of Obama volunteers who manned telephones and walked neighborhoods in the Omaha metropolitan area.

Republican Hal Daub, McCain's state director, congratulated Obama on his win. He praised the candidate for coming to Omaha in February, saying it made for a "fun election."

The Nebraska results give Obama his 365th electoral vote. McCain's tally stands at 162. Only Missouri's 11 electoral votes remain undecided.

Obama's win will assuredly spark interest in the split electoral system, which only Nebraska and Maine use. All other states are winner-take-all on electoral votes.

It was the first time since 1964 that Nebraska has awarded an electoral vote to a Democrat. The state has been reliably Republican since it voted for Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson that year.

Obama ignored Nebraska's history this year, sending 16 paid staffers into the 2nd District and opening three offices in Omaha.

A 1991 state law allowed Obama to concentrate his efforts on the Omaha area, where Democrats outnumber Republicans.

Nebraska is the first state in the modern era to have a split electoral decision.

Nebraska and Maine are not, however, the first states to try a split-electoral system, said Randy Adkins, a political scientist at the University of Nebraska at Omaha.

Several states flirted with similar systems in the early 1800s, including Kentucky, Maryland and North Carolina.

One of the last to use it was Michigan, which split its electoral votes in the 1892 presidential election between Benjamin Harrison and Grover Cleveland.

States began abandoning the split system in the late 19th century. Political parties, especially those dominating in particular states, led the effort for a winner-take-all system.

"It's political greed," said George Edwards, chairman of presidential studies at Texas A&M University's Bush School of Government and Public Service and editor of Presidential Studies Quarterly. "The dominant political parties want all of the votes."

He hopes that Obama's win in Nebraska will spark national interest in the split system, which he said does a better job of representing the will of the people. "I think it would be very healthy if this sparked some discussion . . . and I suspect that it will," he said.

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Well mate, remember how when off-air on MSNBC, Noonan was recorded as dissing the Palin pick?

She also said something I agree with: Why didn't McCain, if he demanded a female GOPer as his running mate, pick Senator Kay Hutchinson of Texas?

Unfortunately, despite her 10+ years of Senate experience and discplined as a partisan fighter (which Palin isn't), Hutchinson wasn't picked because simply she's PRO-CHOICE.

And yet, those same GOP Palin nerds who argued that Palin would win the female vote forgot a little problem: Most American women have traditionally been Pro-Choice. Last I checked, it was 55% according to Gallup, but either way thats a majority.

My point is, McCain-Hutchinson could have won.

And McCain-Ridge would have won.

Thank God for small favors and pea-brained Republican advisors.

Anyone get that new NEWSWEEK book on the election? Man the crazy shit they've got is a laugh riot, like with the Palin/McCain feud:

Anyone still reading the Newsweek book? Man, Palin was a nightmare for McCain! Some of her great adventures include:

*Refusing to meet with Republican donors because she didn't like it.

*Finding out her husband had been telling some donors to hold off until 2012.

*Refusing to appear on state with some Republican candidates if they were pro-choice or had a stance she didn't agree with.

*When she was ORDERED to appear with candidates she didn't agree with she refused to acknowledge them.

It's hard to figure with Palin. Today I hear something like 80 percent of the public want her to run in 2012. Yet, I also hear that the Republicans (including many in the McCain camp) DON'T want her to run. I hear so many leaks (since the election) that reportedly come rom the GOP (ie. Palin answering the door to two McCain aids in a towel; and how an unnamed source referred to her and her family as "Alaskan Hillbillies that rip off Neiman Marcus's from coast to coast." Ha ha....

On the other hand, I think it was Paul Begala who when asked if she should run n 2012, referred to it as "the gift that keeps on giving" indicating it'd be a dream for the Dems. I think the public (Republicans) like her but the D.C. Republicans don't.



TIS

Heard a story back on sunday how an alleged centre of many of these leaks was Mitt Romney, who wants her eliminated as a possible serious rival for the 2012 nomination.

But man, Palin....I won't say that she CAN'T win in 2012, for that is a very long time from now, but wow she's got alot of work to do in terms of disipline in intelligence and knowledge.

To put it another way, Governor Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, an Indian-American, appeared on HANNITY & COLMES (sadly, Hannity's head didn't explode after the election) and despite sharing most of her ideological stances, Jindal came off as smart and capable.