Mussina's first couple of years with Yankees were tough for him - he seemed to get little offensive support and he would lose low scoring games. If I recall correctly with Baltimore he led the league in strikeouts once or more.

As far as HOF.....I don't believe in the criteria. It's all about compiling statistics, which, if you're good and healthy can be achieved. If you take the word "fame", it can be achieved without compiling statistics. Take a player who has an outstanding five year run; leads the league in many categories and carries his team. Year six he gets hurt and his career fads. For those five years he earned fame.