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2009 Dead Pool
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12/26/08 03:40 AM
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The 2009 Dead PoolMorbid and sick, sure. I thought the same thing before finally agreeing to participate in the 2008 Dead Pool. And then winning it (so far, as of today). GOAL: Predict which notable* figures will die on/between January 1 and December 31, 2009, Eastern Time. Produce a maximum of 50 names, to be PM'ed to me (NOT posted here) before the ball drops in Times Square (NYC) at midnight on New Years (i.e., 12AM ET Thursday, January 1, 2009). The BB's default timestamp will determine entry time. *It's assumed that all notable figures will have an entry, or be mentioned in an entry, at Wikipedia or another legit source which you may have to prove. Rules:1) PLEASE alphabetize your list of 50 names by LAST name (regardless of profession), either in the form of FIRSTNAME LASTNAME -or- LASTNAME, FIRSTNAME, in *1* column of names. It'd be nice if they're numbered from 1-50, but it's not necessary. 2) If it's not obvious who the person is for most people, after the name please add why they're notable. For example: "Douglas Fraser, trade unionist" (Sorry, he's already dead). In addition, you may or may not choose to include the person's current age; for example: "Douglas Fraser, trade unionist (91)" 3) If you submit your list days before Midnight, January 1st, 2009, and someone on your list dies before 2009, you should substitute the person with another and resubmit your list (by the deadline). If you do not resubmit your list, and the person died in 2008, the person will obviously NOT count for 2009. 4) a) Thou Shalt Not Kill (anyone on your list); b) criminals subject to the Death Penalty or anyone kidnapped or held hostage in 2008 won't count -- unless they die of natural causes; c) "Dead" means permanently dead, not later revived, nor put in animated suspension, or any induced or natural coma starting before 2009 begins. Everyone's lists will be updated unofficially throughout the year, but a year-end audit will be performed to determine the final winner sometime shortly after December 31, 2009. Prize: Bragging Rights for 12 months ...and also a cool Godfather poster! The next post will contain all participants' lists for easy reference
Last edited by J Geoff; 01/02/10 01:13 PM.
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: 2009 Dead Pool
[Re: J Geoff]
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12/26/08 03:41 AM
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2009 GBB Dead Pool Entries SC (8)
Ali, Muhammad Barzun, Jacques Berra, Yogi Carter, Elliott Castro, Fidel Clark, Dick Cronkite, Walter deHavilland, Olivia deLaurentis, Dino Douglas, Kirk Ebert, Roger Fawcett (Majors), Farrah Ford, Betty Gabor, Zsa Zsa Graham, Billy Harvey, Paul Heesters, Johannes Hope, Dolores Houk, Ralph Kent, Barbara Klugman, Jack LaLanne, Jack LaMotta, Jake Levi-Strauss, Claude Lewis, Jerry Linkletter, Art Lom, Herbert Malden, Karl Mandela, Nelson McNamara, Robert Miller, Mitch Morgan, Harry Musial, Stan Niemeyer, Oscar Paul, Les Roberts, Oral Rooney, Mickey Salinger, J.D. Santo, Ron Shamir, Yitzhak Sharon, Ariel Shriver, Sargent Simplot, J.R. Stewart, Gloria Taylor, Liz Wallach, Eli Watson, Russell (tenor) Wisdom, Norman Wooden, John Zimbalist Jr., Efrem
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Muhammad Ali, boxer (66) Bob Barker, game show host (85) Lauren Bacall, actress (84) Barbara Billingsley, aka June Cleaver (93) Ernest Borgnine, actor (91) Wilford Brimley, actor (74) Jimmy Carter, former president (84) Fidel Castro, Cuban president (82) Dick Clark, TV/radio personality (79) Walter Cronkite, news anchor (92) Dom DeLuise, actor (75) Phyllis Diller, comedienne (91) Dom DiMaggio, baseball player (91) Kirk Douglas, actor (92) Kitty Dukakis, Michael's wife (72) Roger Ebert, film critic (66) Betty Ford, Gerald's wife (90) Zsa Zsa Gabor, actress/socialite (91) Billy Graham, evangelist (90) Paul Harvey, radio broadcaster (90) Hugh Hefner, Playboy (82) Dolores Hope, Bob's wife (99) B.B. King, guitarist (83) C. Everett Koop, former Surgeon General (92) Jack LaLanne, fitness guru (94) Claude Lévi-Strauss, anthropologist (100) Jerry Lewis, actor (82) Art Linkletter, TV show host (96) Norman Lloyd, actor/producer/director (94) Karl Malden, actor (96) Tony Martin, crooner/actor (96) Ed McMahon, TV personality (85) Robert McNamara, former Sec of Defense (92) Mitch Miller, bandleader (97) Les Paul, guitarist (93) I.M. Pei, architect (91) Nancy Reagan, former first lady (87) Oral Roberts, evangelist (90) Andy Rooney, 60 Minutes (90) Mickey Rooney, actor (88) John Campbell Ross, WWI survivor (109) Soupy Sales, comedian (82) J.D. Salinger, author (90) Bob Sheppard, Yankees announcer (98) Gloria Stuart, actress (98) Patrick Swayze, actor (56) Elizabeth Taylor, actress (76) Margaret Thatcher, former UK Prime Minister (83) Abe Vigoda, actor (87) Eli Wallach, actor (93)
| TIS (4)
1. Ali, Mohammud 2. Bacall, Lauren 3. Billingsley, Barbara (Mrs. Cleaver) 4. Borgnine, Ernest 5. Bush, George H.W. 6. Castro, Fidel 7. Ceasar, Sid 8. Clark, Dick 9. Cronkite, Walter 10. Crosby, David 11. Curtis, Tony 12. Davis, Ann B. 13. Day, Doris 14. DeHavilland,Olivia 15. Douglas, Kirk 16. Falk, Peter 17. Fontine, Joan (actress) 18. Ford, Betty 19. Graham, Billy 20. Griffih, Andy 21. Havoc, June (actress) 22. Hope, Delores (wife of Bob) 23. Kennedy, Ted 24. Klugman, Jack 25. LaLane, Jack (Fitness) 26. Lansbury, Angela 27. Lee, Christopher 28. Linkletter, Art 29. Lollabridgida, Gina (actress) 30. McCarthy, Kevin (actor) 31. Miller, Mitch (music) 32. Morgan, Harry (actor) 33. O'Toole, Peter 34. Paul, Les (musician) 35. Reagan, Nancy 36. Redgrave, Vanessa 37. Richard, Keith 38. Rooney, Mickey 39. Sharon, Ariel (politics) 40. Sapleton, Jean (actress) 41. Stuart, Gloria (actress) 42. Swayze, Patrick 43. Taylor, Liz 44. Temple, Shirley 45. Van Dyke, Dick 46. Vigoda, Abe 47. Wallach, Eli 48. White, Betty 49. Winehouse, Amy 50. Wopner, Joe (Judge)
| MIGNON (9)
1. Patty Andrews 2. James Arness 3. Barbara Billingsley 4. Ernest Borgnine 5. Mel Brooks 6. Diana Sera Carey 7. Fidel Castro 8. Dick Clark 9. Frank Coghlan Jr 10. Walter Cronkite 11. Virginia Davis 12. Olivia Dehaviland 13. Kirk Douglas 14. Zsa Zsa Gabor 15. Bruce Gorden 16. Billy Graham 17. Paul Harvey 18. Delores Hope 19. Lena Horne 20. Jennifer Jones 21. Dr. jack Kevorkian 22. BB King 23. C Everett Koop 24. Usama Bin Laden 25. Art Linkletter 26. Karl Malden 27. Nelson Mandela 28. Robert McNamara 29. Mitch Miller 30. Ricardo Montalban 31. Harry Morgan 32. Ruby Muhammad 33. Oscar Niemeyer 34. B. Obama 35. Maureen O'Hara 36. Don Pardo 37. Luise Rainer 38. Francis Reid 39. Oral Roberts 40. Andy Rooney 41. Mickey Rooney 42. George Beverley Shea 43. Jeans Simmons 44. Claude Levi Strauss 45. Gloria Stuart 46. Patrick Swayze 47. Abigal Van Bruen 48. Eli Wallach 49. Amy Winehouse 50. John Wooden
| KLYDON (10)
1. James Arness, actor 2. Chuck Berry, singer 3. Barbara Billingsley 4. Ray Bradbury, writer 5. Robert Bork, former Sup. Ct. nominee 6. Ernest Borgnine 7. Boutros Boutros-Ghali 8. Robert Byrd, senator 9. Frank Cady, "Sam Drucker from "Green Acres" 10. Fidel Castro, dictator 11. Walter Cronkite, anchorman 12. Hugh Downs, host 13. Dino De Laurentiis, director 14. Olivia de Havaland, actress 15. Dom Deluise, actor 16. Kirk Douglas, actor 17. Bob Feller, pitcher 18. Betty Ford, first lady 19. Zsa Zsa Gabor, actress/entertainer 20. Billy Graham, evangelist 21. Paul Harvey, radio personality 22. Stephen Hawking, professor/physicist 23. Lena Horne, entertainer 24. Ted Kennedy, senator 25. Jack Klugman, actor 26. C. Everett Koop, former surgeon general 27. Jack LaLanne, exercise guru 28. Norman Lear, writer/producer 29. Claude Levi-Strauss, entrepeneur 30. Art Linkletter, host/writer 31. Lee MacPhail, baseball GM 32. Karl Malden, actor 33. Nelson Mandela, statesman 34. Tony Martin, entertainer 35. Ed McMahon, sidekick/personality 36. Robert McNamara, former Secretary of defense 37. Mitch Miller, bandleader 38. Al Molinaro, actor 39. Harry Morgan, actor 40. Carl Reiner, comedian 41. Oral Roberts, evangelist 42. David Rockefeller, patriarch and banker 43. J.D. Salinger, writer 44. Ariel Sharon, former Israeli P.M. 45. George Beverly Shea, gospel composer/singer 46. Sargent Shriver, McGovern running mate 47. Larry Storch, "F Troop" actor 48. Patrick Swayze, actor 49. Mike Wallace, newsman 50. John Wooden, coach
| LONGNECK (3)
Ali, Muhammad Armstrong, Neil Barker, Bob Berra, Yogi Berry, Chuck Buffet, Warren Bush, George Herbert Walker Carter, Jimmy Castro, Fidel Cheney, Dick Clark, Dick Connery, Sean Davis, Al Dylan, Bob Eastwood, Clint Ebert, Roger Falk, Peter Garner, James Glenn, John Greenspan, Alan Hefner, Hugh Kennedy, Ted Kevorkian, Jack King, B.B. King, Larry Kissinger, Henry Letterman, David Lewis, Jerry Martin, George McCain, John McMahon, Ed Mondale, Walter Paterno, Joe Perot, Ross Poitier, Sidney Reagan, Nancy Richards, Keith Rickles, Don Scorsese, Martin Steinbrenner, George Stewart, Rod Stiller, Jerry Swayze, Patrick Van Dyke, Dick Vigoda, Abe White, Betty Wiesel, Elie Winehouse, Amy Winkler, Henry Wooden, John
| SANTINO BRASI (1)
1. Allen, Woody 2. Anderson, Pamela 3. Benedict XVI (Pope) 4. Blackham, H. J. (British humanist and writer) 5. Brooks, Mel 6. Buckles, Frank (WWI Survivor) 7. Caan, James 8. Carter, Jimmy 9. Castro, Fidel 10. Chyna (Wrestler) 11. Conaway, Jeff 12. Coppola, Francis Ford 13. Cosby, Bill 14. Cuénod, Hugues (Swiss Tenor) 15. Dean, Elizabeth Gladys (Survivor of the Titanic) 16. Doherty, Pete 17. Douglas, Kirk 18. Elizabeth II (Queen) 19. Glory, Marie (French Actor) 20. Griffith, Andy 21. Hazell, Bert 22. Heesters, Johannes (Dutch actor) 23. Hefner, Hugh 24. Jones, George (Country Singer) 25. Kennedy, Ted 26. Lee, Stan 27. Lynn, Loretta (Country Singer) 28. Manson, Charles 29. Neuberger, Roy (American financier and art collector) 30. Newhart, Bob 31. Nolte, Nick 32. Osborne, Ozzy 33. Pearlman, Lou 34. Philbin, Regis 35. Phillip (Prince) 36. Redford, Robert 37. Regan, Nancy 38. Richard, Little 39. Richards, Keith 40. Sommers, Suzanne 41. Stiller, Jerry 42. Takei, George 43. Taylor, Elizabeth 44. Travis, Doris Eaton (American actress) 45. Tyler, Steven 46. Van Dyke, Dick 47. Wallach, Eli 48. Wayburn, Edgar (American Environmentalist 49. Westheimer, Ruth 50. Winehouse, Amy
| DONTOMASSO (7)
Ali, Muhammed Ballesteros, Seve (golfer) Berra ,Yogi Billingsley, Barbara Clark, Dick Corey, Irwin Cronkite, Walter Douglas, Kirk Graham, Billy Griffith, Andy Harvey, Paul Hope, Delores Jackson, Michael Kennedy, Ted Lessing, Doris Lewis, Jerry Malden, Karl McMahon, Ed McNamara, Robert Nicholson Jack Niemeyer, Oscar Parseghian, Ara Reagan, Nancy Rockefeller, David Shamir, Itzak Taylor, Elizabeth Thatcher, Margaret Wallace, Mike Wilson, Brian (Beachboys) Windsor, Phillip (Prince Phillip UK) Winehouse, Amy Wooden, John
WHISPER (1)
Naomi Campbell Chevy Chase Clint Eastwood Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson Michael Jackson David Letterman Mark Margolis Malcolm McDowell Bert Newton Al Pacino Austin Pendleton Keith Richards Lou Richards William Shatner
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Last edited by J Geoff; 12/30/09 06:13 PM. Reason: Missed John Campbell Ross (June 3)
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: 2009 Dead Pool
[Re: SC]
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12/26/08 04:23 AM
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First Amendment: Premonitions are fine, but, aren't enough if they're not assigned proper names to them
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: 2009 Dead Pool
[Re: The Italian Stallionette]
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12/26/08 01:21 PM
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I never thought of myself as being a little twisted and sick minded... Just to even things out, I ALWAYS thought of you as being a little twisted. I'll work on my list this weekend.
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Re: 2009 Dead Pool
[Re: The Italian Stallionette]
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12/26/08 01:40 PM
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Thanks SC for evening things out for me SC. It's been a long time since a woman has thanked me for an evening. Yeah, it is hard to believe that a whole year has passed since we started this. Where does time fly???
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Re: 2009 Dead Pool
[Re: J Geoff]
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12/29/08 06:38 PM
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Just 2 days left -- I only have like 3 entries so far!
Maybe you should give more time. Like an extra week or so. I'd really like to participate, but don't have the time now. Next week I do, I hope. Because it takes some time to really put together a competitive list. Of course if there's someone on a list who'd decide to die in that extra time given, he/she would really give you a hard time. But there's got to be a solution for that matter. I don't want to ruin the game or break the rules, just giving a hint for if there might turn out to be too few participants.
See, we can act as smart as we want, but at the end of the day, we still follow a guy who fucks himself with kebab skewers.
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Re: 2009 Dead Pool
[Re: J Geoff]
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12/29/08 10:20 PM
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Just 2 days left -- I only have like 3 entries so far!
Ok, so it's me and what two other sickos? TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: 2009 Dead Pool
[Re: The Italian Stallionette]
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12/29/08 11:22 PM
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Santino Brasi
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Just 2 days left -- I only have like 3 entries so far!
Ok, so it's me and what two other sickos? TIS I'm in this one
He - (Simón Bolívar) - was shaken by the overwhelming revelation that the headlong race between his misfortunes and his dreams was at that moment reaching the finishing line. The rest was darkness. "Damn it," He sighed. "How will I ever get out of this labyrinth!" So what’s the labyrinth? That’s the mystery isn’t it? Is the labyrinth living or dying? Which is he trying to escape - the world, or, the end of it?
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Re: 2009 Dead Pool
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12/29/08 11:23 PM
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How do you find 50 people? Search google for really old famous people? I wikipedia'd different years (1906, 1935... etc)
He - (Simón Bolívar) - was shaken by the overwhelming revelation that the headlong race between his misfortunes and his dreams was at that moment reaching the finishing line. The rest was darkness. "Damn it," He sighed. "How will I ever get out of this labyrinth!" So what’s the labyrinth? That’s the mystery isn’t it? Is the labyrinth living or dying? Which is he trying to escape - the world, or, the end of it?
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Re: 2009 Dead Pool
[Re: SC]
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12/30/08 10:48 PM
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NOOOOOOOOOOO SC, that would ruin my entire... I mean, sure let's do that
He - (Simón Bolívar) - was shaken by the overwhelming revelation that the headlong race between his misfortunes and his dreams was at that moment reaching the finishing line. The rest was darkness. "Damn it," He sighed. "How will I ever get out of this labyrinth!" So what’s the labyrinth? That’s the mystery isn’t it? Is the labyrinth living or dying? Which is he trying to escape - the world, or, the end of it?
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Re: 2009 Dead Pool
[Re: Santino Brasi]
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12/30/08 11:45 PM
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It's not a bad idea, but it might be a little late now with 24 hrs 'til deadline... but looking around at other dead pools online, there are a few different things we can consider for 2010 if we allow enough time. But if everyone wants to include age points, I'm up for it.
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: 2009 Dead Pool
[Re: J Geoff]
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12/31/08 09:02 AM
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It's okay with me (as long as I end up the winner of course) . I'm open to other suggestions too. What ideas are you getting from other sites Geoff? It might make it fun for next year if it's too late for this year. If PLaw were here, our BB oddsmaker would probably break it down to percentages and really make it interesting hu? TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: 2009 Dead Pool
[Re: The Italian Stallionette]
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12/31/08 12:57 PM
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IMPORTANT NOTICE:
Okay, I'm not going to incorporate age adjusters this year as I'd then require everyone to list each pick's age and that'd be too much at this point.
However,
I will extend the submission deadline until the time I post everyone's picks on January 1st, sometime in the afternoon (ET). So if you need more time, there's about 12-14 extra hrs. This will also help w/ any time zone issues, or those who didn't have time before, or those wishes to make any changes or in one case, additions to their list.
Once I post everyone's picks in the 2nd post of the thread, your submission will be too late.
If someone gets an unlikely kill before the lists are posted, they will count if they were sent to me before the person died (not when the death was reported*).
*this should also hold true for 2008. If someone is reported as dying January 1st or 2nd, but they actually died on Dec 30 or 31, 2008, then that should be a kill for 2008. SC - because of this I think you can wait a few days before posting the results. And please, people, audit your own picks to avoid any mistakes!
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: 2009 Dead Pool
[Re: The Italian Stallionette]
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12/31/08 04:56 PM
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I'm in it to win it Oh yea?? What a "tude" you have girlfriend. Only thing is, so am I. Especially since I did so well in 08. TIS The race is ON girlfriend. (That sounds so bad)
Dylan Matthew Moran born 10/30/12
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Re: 2009 Dead Pool
[Re: Mignon]
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01/01/09 11:52 AM
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Okay, picks are in... Good luck!
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: 2009 Dead Pool
[Re: J Geoff]
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01/01/09 11:55 AM
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Okay, picks are in... Good luck!
May the best lady win!! TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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