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Re: How bout them Yankees!? (2009)
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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04/29/09 06:19 PM
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I was always an advocate for doing exactly that - bringing Hughes up and returning Joba to the bullpen. However, with Wang out of the rotation, I don't know if that's possible. If Wang gets back on track, then I think it would be perfect! But again, if you do this, who's the 5th starter next year? -Sabathia -Burnett -Wang -Hughes -? (Pettitte's gone after this season).
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Re: How bout them Yankees!? (2009)
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04/29/09 08:21 PM
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I was always an advocate for doing exactly that - bringing Hughes up and returning Joba to the bullpen. However, with Wang out of the rotation, I don't know if that's possible. If Wang gets back on track, then I think it would be perfect! But again, if you do this, who's the 5th starter next year? -Sabathia -Burnett -Wang -Hughes -? (Pettitte's gone after this season). Don't worry about next year. This is the year that counts. 
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Re: How bout them Yankees!? (2009)
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04/30/09 07:56 AM
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I was always an advocate for doing exactly that - bringing Hughes up and returning Joba to the bullpen. However, with Wang out of the rotation, I don't know if that's possible. If Wang gets back on track, then I think it would be perfect! But again, if you do this, who's the 5th starter next year? -Sabathia -Burnett -Wang -Hughes -? (Pettitte's gone after this season). They'll get Halladay from Toronto!  Isn't his contract up with the Jays after this season?? Man, I was sort of kidding about that, but I would LOVE it.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!? (2009)
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05/05/09 01:56 AM
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The Red Sox win .... The Reddddd Soxxxxx winnnnnn! I really don't recall anyone asking about the score. 
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey!  lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: How bout them Yankees!? (2009)
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05/05/09 03:26 AM
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The Red Sox win .... The Reddddd Soxxxxx winnnnnn! I really don't recall anyone asking about the score. That's why I didn't give it.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!? (2009)
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05/05/09 10:18 AM
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Since I'm not in New York, how have the media treated Sabathia after his terrible start?
The media's been okay to him, Goombah. But I think the fans are just on the edge of booing him, if they haven't already. If his next outing is another bad one, I suspect they will.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!? (2009)
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The Red Sox win .... The Reddddd Soxxxxx winnnnnn! Didn't feel like typing the whole message again. 
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Re: How bout them Yankees!? (2009)
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05/07/09 10:24 AM
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Every so often, elderly people with Alzheimer's, and even dementia, have been known to have a lucid moment or two. Joe Girardi better hope that Big George doesn't have one any time soon. If the man had his faculties, and this was ten, fifteen years ago, Girardi's sorry ass would be toast. Mattingly and Torre are both way too classy to publicly gloat, but I'll bet they're both privately laughing their asses off.
I was in the car late last night listening to John Sterling grumble how the Yankees just couldn't catch a break. He actually used those words---couldn't catch a break. Uhm, sorry John, when your team can afford the highest payroll in the history of organized sports---that's any sport---that's a pretty big break in and of itself. You guys know I'm a Met fan, but a Bronx guy too, so I really try to give the Yankees my support, unless they're playing the Mets. But listening to John Sterling and that groupie, Suzyn Waldman, makes it really difficult. Yankee fans deserve better than those two boneheads.
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Re: How bout them Yankees!? (2009)
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05/07/09 06:14 PM
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I was in the car late last night listening to John Sterling grumble how the Yankees just couldn't catch a break. He actually used those words---couldn't catch a break. Uhm, sorry John, when your team can afford the highest payroll in the history of organized sports---that's any sport---that's a pretty big break in and of itself. Yes, but let us not forget there's been too many injuries too early in the season and slow starts by CC Sabathia and Mark Teixeira. Also Alex Rodriguez hasn't played a game yet, Chien-Ming Wang went down early and Jorge Posada & Brian Bruney & Xavier Nady are all on the DL as well. As for John Sterling, I enjoy him. A lot of people I know hate Michael Kay. I don't hate him but I'd take Sterling, John Miller or Joe Morgan over him any day of the week!
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Re: How bout them Yankees!? (2009)
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05/08/09 12:14 AM
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That was just terrible. Mo taken out in the 9th?? Oh, my. How many times has that ever happened?? Has it ever happened??
I have a theory about closers in today's game, which is that they are not as effective in non-save situations or in "sudden save" situations. Both situations combined on Rivera, still an outstanding closer, to make his outing especially difficult. I'll explain my theory. Saving ball games as a pitcher is one of the most stressful positions in sports, similar to a hockey goalie in overtime or a kicker in football lining up for a game winning kick. The present role of the closer is that he only pitch in the final inning when his team holds a slim lead. Therefore, unlike any other role in baseball, the closer participates almost exclusively in high intensity situations. We don't see many successful rookie or really young closers because they haven't developed or conditioned the steely psyche necessary to handle the potential pressure on a daily basis. The final inning is when the trailing team pulls out all stops, like pinch hitters, to plate the run(s). Now pitching- effective pitching- is mostly mental. The closer is best suited to save the game when his team has a lead throughout the game. When his team is losing by a few runs late in the game (or winning by a large margin), the focus of the closer isn't the same as nobody is anticipating his service. Here the Yankees were trailing in the bottom of the 8th by 2 with two out when they got a hit and homer that suddenly tied it going to the 9th where Rivera was logically but hurriedly summoned. Not only did his services become abruptly required, but the circumstances of his appearance were different, namely, keeping the team in it, rather than close it out. It wasn't so much that rivera didn't get enough time to get physically loose, but the circumstances of the game did not afford the time or type of game that allows the deep mental preparation to achieve the level of tenacity. I don't mean to imply that exceptional closers, like Rivera, can't function in non-save situations, or that they are unfocused in what appears to be a non-save game, but the natural momentum of a game heightens the conditioned sense or feel for the moment that closers develop to deal with the constant pressure of their jobs. I have found also that closers have a harder time saving games when a large lead evaporated to a 1 run lead in the 8th than when his team held a 1 run lead since the third inning. Obviously, this theory isn't absolute. I have always compared closers with kickers in football. Several years ago there was a game where the Saints were trailing by 7 and they were about 70 yards from the end zone with 5 seconds, and they inexplicably scored on a wild play with four or five laterals. The kicker promptly came on the field and missed the extra point. Up until the touchdown the circumstances and momentum of the game did not allow the focus that he would be kicking a game tying extra point. I believe if they were 3 minutes on the clock and they drove down the fied and scored on a 5 yard pass, the kicker would have been in a more comfortable focused mindset. Notice that when a save situation is pending in the 7th or 8th, or in the final moments of a football game where a team is poised for getting into field goal range for a game winning kick, nobody talks to the closer or the kicker, who have to get to that happy place where the excitement of the moment doesn't interfere with focus. Let's not feel too bad for our buddy, Mariano Rivera tonight. He still had a better day than Manny Ramirez.  Sorry for the length of this post.
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