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Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turnbull] #556515
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Another interesting read in the betrayed wiseguy turned rat genre IMHO is Joe Dogs: The Life and Crimes of a Mobster by Joseph "Joe Dogs" Iannuzzi , he actually opened the door for the Castellano bust.

Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turnbull] #556516
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Selwyn Raab's book is by far the best in recent history,
although it's difficult to read any of the above without overlapping some of the same previously covered ground.
That's why it's great when yet another wiseguy turns states witness, and capitalizes on it with a new book with a little different (although usually self serving) perspective.

Re: Mafia Books [Re: The_Mechanic] #557038
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Originally Posted By: The_Mechanic
Selwyn Raab's book is by far the best in recent history,


I totally agree.

Are you familiar with the 'pizza connection?'



Don Cardi cool

Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.




Re: Mafia Books [Re: Don Cardi] #557150
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Yes, as a matter of fact there are a few very good documentaries that you can find on google videos that highlight the "Pizza connection", I think the BBC did the best footwork on, but as far as text, no I'm not familiar. On the same lines, there was a recent history channel expose' on heroin smuggling, where the smugglers were actually stuffing the smack in the bindings of childrens books.....

Re: Mafia Books [Re: Don Cardi] #557151
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Did you also notice that in Selwyn Raab's "The five families"
Every swingin dick he portrayed, ran to the feds when their ass was finally in a sling....surprising coincidencs.

The Butcher :Anatomy of a Mafia Psychopath #557546
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The Butcher, by Phillip Carlo is the story of Bonanno Family member Tommy "Karate" Pitera. Pitera got his nickname because of his interest in Japanese martial arts, cuisine, lifestyle and history. He went to Japan as a teenager and lived there for two years training in martial arts.

Upon return to Brooklyn, the diminutive mobster hooked up with the Bonannos, was formally inducted and became a feared killer.

This should have been a better book. It feels like it was rushed. The author makes a number of presentation mistakes.
There are neither footnotes nor index. There is sloppy use of terms. Pitera is described as a capo but since he doesn't seem to have any other made men in his crew, perhaps he was really just a soldier. There's certainly no description of any promotion. Anthony Spero, Bonnano bigshot, is alternatively described as the Family counselor or underboss-sometimes in the same paragraph. I know that roles were in flux but which one was it? If both, what was changing and how did that impact Pitera?

But the worst flaw in my opinion is the author's use of omniscient third person narrative. At this time Tommy Pitera has not granted Carlo long interviews detailing his thoughts, hopes and fears at various times during his life. Nor (to my knowledge) have his parents, wife, girlfriends, fellow karate students or other intimates spoken on record with Carlo.

So there's really no way for Phillip Carlo to know exactly what Pitera was thinking or why he did what he did. To speak definitively as if you know what's going on in someone else's head is irritating. William Roemer did that in his books but at least he could always fallback on the "informant who I can't reveal" trope. Carlo doesn't have that.

Perhaps realizing that his ability to draw a picture of Pitera is somewhat limited, Carlo spends a great deal of time depicting the DEA agents who would help take Pitera down. However these guys are not really that compelling either.

There's also conflicting/self-serving information that Carlo gets from the DEA. For example it supposedly was a DEA sting alone that took out Vito Genovese with no mention of the oddity of a sitting mob boss meeting with a low level drug courier or Frank Lucas was supplied from the Gambinos and Bonannos with no mention of the Golden Triangle connection.

Carlo's primary source for much of his information is Frank Gangi, a member of Pitera's crew and a man who by his own admission is a alcoholic and junkie who was involved in at least three murders committed with Pitera. This person only sees the light after he gets busted for drunk driving and falls apart. Of course it is just as likely that Gangi and Pitera realized at the same time that Gangi was a weak link and Gangi ran to the police. In any event Gangi is just not a sympathethic figure. At all.

One good thing that this book does however is strip away the fiction that there is any real difference between the Mafia and other so-called street thugs or gangsters. Pitera kills because he's ordered to do so but he also kills because he's annoyed or bored or simply wants what someone else has. His ONLY business seems to be drugs. He's surrounded by lowlifes, junkies and party girls. Other than killing a made man, Pitera doesn't seem to ask or need permission for any of his murders.

Speaking of Pitera, another character tells his wife "He has no friends because he killed them all!". That pretty much sums up Tommy Pitera.

I would give this book 3 out of 5 stars. I would wait to purchase it in paperback version or used.


"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: The Butcher :Anatomy of a Mafia Psychopath [Re: Lilo] #557941
10/18/09 10:19 PM
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thanks for the review, i was planning on waiting for the paperback and hopefully carlo fixes some of the petty mistakes from the hardcover. He failed to do that with the Gaspipe book.

In that book he says that Gambino member Angelo "quack Quack" Ruggiero got his nickname from ducking subpoenas, when in reality that's how Tony "Ducks" Corralo got that nickname and Angelo got his from being a chatterbox. That mistake was in the hardcover version of Gaspipe which I saw somebody mentioned in an Amazon review and once I got the paperback I saw that it was still in that version as well!

I understand the author has Lou Gehrig's disease but still that shouldn't be a substitute to try and getting the facts straight!


Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife?
Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.


Re: Mafia Books [Re: The_Mechanic] #560900
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I just finished "Miami Babylon," by Gerald Posner.



Not a mob book, per se, although it includes a detailed account of Chris Paciello's rise and fall as both a Staten Island thug and the self ordained club king of Miami Beach.

It covers the "gentrification" of Miami and Miami Beach in the years following the Mariel boatlift, which includes crooked cops, shady politicians and cocaine cowboys, all treated like celebrities in Sin City. It tells the story of how South Beach went from being a dilapidated senior community in the early 80s, to the east coast version of Las Vegas that it is today.

A very interesting read, especially if you're familiar with the area.


"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
Re: Mafia Books [Re: pizzaboy] #560901
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Next to Vegas, South Beach is the most lunatic place in America.


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turnbull] #560902
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Next to Vegas, South Beach is the most lunatic place in America.


Quite a change from when the old ladies were living in the deco hotels, huh, TB?


"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
Re: Mafia Books [Re: The_Mechanic] #562209
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I've been reading John Dillinger by Dary Matera as a project for school and it's a very interesting read so far. It has a lot of good info that i haven't seen before and i enjoy that it goes back before Dillinger was a celebrity crook and a nationwide phenomana and tells about his earlier days of crime. It's pretty damn good and i recommend it to anyone interested in the "jackrabbit"

Re: Mafia Books [Re: JerseyGuy] #562220
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Ive not brought a Mafia book for a while now,should really get back to reading them as there my fav genre to read..


The Mafia Is Not Primarily An Organisation Of Murderers.
First And Foremost,The Mafia Is Made Up Of Thieves.
It Is Driven By Greed And Controlled By Fear.

Between The Law And The Mafia, The Law Is Not The Most To Be Feared

"What if the Mafia were not an organization but a widespread Sicilian attitude of hostility towards the law?"

"Make Love Not War" John Lennon
Re: Mafia Books [Re: DE NIRO] #562276
12/14/09 10:56 AM
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Just read MAKING JACK FALCONE by FBI undercover agent Joaquin Garcia,who bought down various Gambino wiseguys like Greg DePalma and his crew. A good read,informative and interesting!


I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees!
Re: Mafia Books [Re: Yogi Barrabbas] #562278
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Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
Just read MAKING JACK FALCONE by FBI undercover agent Joaquin Garcia,who bought down various Gambino wiseguys like Greg DePalma and his crew. A good read,informative and interesting!


Good, quick read, Yogi. There was a secondary story in that book about police corruption in Hollywood, Florida. My neighbor in Florida was married to one of those cops at one time. She told me he was a real creep. I think he ended up getting like 14 years, if I'm not mistaken.


"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
Re: Mafia Books [Re: pizzaboy] #562280
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Was he Kevin Companion PB? I have literally just put the book down and the what happened to the crooks index was at the end (so still fresh in the memory)


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Re: Mafia Books [Re: Yogi Barrabbas] #562281
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Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
Was he Kevin Companion PB? I have literally just put the book down and the what happened to the crooks index was at the end (so still fresh in the memory)


That's not her last name, but they were married some time ago, so it's possible. I'll find out and pm you.


"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
Re: Mafia Books [Re: pizzaboy] #562282
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Thanks PB.

About Falcone,i chuckled when he wrote that with all the wiseguy feasts he attended,and him being a big eater anyways, he ballooned up to 450 pounds eek

Wow!!


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Re: Mafia Books [Re: Yogi Barrabbas] #562284
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Yeah, because before he met them he was a svelte 375 whistle.


"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
Re: Mafia Books [Re: pizzaboy] #562356
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Literally a bag of bones lol


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Re: Mafia Books [Re: Yogi Barrabbas] #562893
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I've just read 'I was one of them'. A biography of Giusy Vitale, sister of Leonarde, Vito and Michele Vitale from Partinico. It was interesting to read about the 'women' in the Mafia and how they were indoctrinated. Good reading stuff.

Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #563866
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Got MADE MEN by Greg Smith for Christmas and have read it already. A good entertaining account of the rather hapless DeCalvacantes rorm New Jersey and their similarities to the Sopranos. I enjoyed it very much!


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Glad you enjoyed it Yogi this book is on my amazon wish list and im sure i'll get round to reading it one day.. smile


The Mafia Is Not Primarily An Organisation Of Murderers.
First And Foremost,The Mafia Is Made Up Of Thieves.
It Is Driven By Greed And Controlled By Fear.

Between The Law And The Mafia, The Law Is Not The Most To Be Feared

"What if the Mafia were not an organization but a widespread Sicilian attitude of hostility towards the law?"

"Make Love Not War" John Lennon
Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #564293
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Now reading another Christmas one. THE FIRST FAMILY by Mike Dash about the Morello/Terranova alliance in New York in the early 1900's.

Very good!


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Re: Mafia Books [Re: Yogi Barrabbas] #564300
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Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
Now reading another Christmas one. THE FIRST FAMILY by Mike Dash about the Morello/Terranova alliance in New York in the early 1900's.

Very good!

Sounds interesting. I hope you write a review after you've completed it.


"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Mafia Books [Re: Lilo] #564325
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I reviewed it last year. It's on the previous page of this forum, near the bottom.


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turnbull] #564357
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Thx!


"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turnbull] #564497
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
I reviewed it last year. It's on the previous page of this forum, near the bottom.


And i agree with you whole-heartedly TB. Dash is an excellent historical writer,its hard to remember he is actually English, he gets such a feel for his subject.


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Re: Mafia Books [Re: Yogi Barrabbas] #565037
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Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
Now reading another Christmas one. THE FIRST FAMILY by Mike Dash about the Morello/Terranova alliance in New York in the early 1900's.

Very good!


Ive read this also excellent book on the early NY mafia..


The Mafia Is Not Primarily An Organisation Of Murderers.
First And Foremost,The Mafia Is Made Up Of Thieves.
It Is Driven By Greed And Controlled By Fear.

Between The Law And The Mafia, The Law Is Not The Most To Be Feared

"What if the Mafia were not an organization but a widespread Sicilian attitude of hostility towards the law?"

"Make Love Not War" John Lennon
Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #565442
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Just read BLOOD AND HONOR by GEORGE ANASTASIA. All about the Philly mob in the 80's and how it tore itself apart under the leadership of the despotic Nicky Scarfo.

An excellent book. One of the best mob books i have ever read!


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Re: Mafia Books [Re: Yogi Barrabbas] #565443
01/19/10 10:55 AM
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Great book, Yogi. I think it's the best book ever written about the Philly mob.

You should now follow that up with "The Last Gangster," also written by Anastasia. It's the story of Ron Previte, an ex-cop turned wiseguy. And a real lowlife, to boot.

It's written in the same style as "Blood and Honor," and offers a bit of a coda to the events of the first book.


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