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Re: Books you just read discussion
[Re: pizzaboy]
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05/21/09 11:02 AM
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Surprised at how much the film actually improved its story. Rare when a film improves upon a book, but it happens. Case in point: THE GODFATHER. Sure, it was a runaway bestseller, especially in paperback. But to be honest, it was pulp fiction masquerading as literature. My point is, if the films didn't become such a HUGE part of 20th century pop culture, I doubt the novel would still be in print. I agree with you. The Godfather is one of the very few novels I have ever read, but found it quite inferior to the movie, both in terms of ambition and quality.
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Re: Books you just read discussion
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05/22/09 01:19 AM
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Surprised at how much the film actually improved its story. Rare when a film improves upon a book, but it happens. Case in point: THE GODFATHER. Sure, it was a runaway bestseller, especially in paperback. But to be honest, it was pulp fiction masquerading as literature. My point is, if the films didn't become such a HUGE part of 20th century pop culture, I doubt the novel would still be in print. I agree with you. The Godfather is one of the very few novels I have ever read, but found it quite inferior to the movie, both in terms of ambition and quality. That's good to know. I found The Godfather book in a thrift store for almost nothing, but I might not read it now.
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Re: Books you just read discussion
[Re: Yogi Barrabbas]
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05/26/09 11:14 AM
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THE GREAT GATSBY by Scott Fitzgerald. I enjoyed it but was surprised at how short it is? My favorite novel, Yogi. Still.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Books you just read discussion
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05/26/09 08:10 PM
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And Zelda was some kind of crazy. Batshit insane by most accounts, Babe. And he wasn't exactly the picture of mental health himself. They were both seriously depressed and chronic alcoholics. But he was as much of a genius as he was crazy. I've read everything he ever published at least twice. I've probably read "Gatsby" a dozen times.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Books you just read discussion
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05/28/09 09:18 AM
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THE GREAT GATSBY by Scott Fitzgerald. I enjoyed it but was surprised at how short it is? My favorite novel, Yogi. Still. Mine too, old sport. Yes he was fond of the term "old sport" was he not?  I seem to have awoken some good discussion from reading this book which is good. It was a book i had meant to read for years,just never got round to it. Glad i did eventually.
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Re: Books you just read discussion
[Re: Irishman12]
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06/01/09 06:45 PM
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As you can see from my posts in this thread I've been reading a lot more as of late. I'm wondering if anyone can recommend any good books about WWII (particularly about the Nazi regime), 9/11, and Jack the Ripper (I'm really interested in the Kennedy assassination as well and have both books that the film JFK is based on).
Just about any library is full of books on WWII and the Nazis. I would start with the seminal text: The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich and the Goebbels diaries (actually written by him). That should give you a good start and foundation. On the JFK assassination Vincent Bugliosi's Reclaiming History is about all you need (Oswald was the lone assassin). As a counter though, start with Mark Lane's Rush to Judgement.
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Re: Books you just read discussion
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06/01/09 09:25 PM
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As you can see from my posts in this thread I've been reading a lot more as of late. I'm wondering if anyone can recommend any good books about WWII (particularly about the Nazi regime), 9/11, and Jack the Ripper (I'm really interested in the Kennedy assassination as well and have both books that the film JFK is based on).
Just about any library is full of books on WWII and the Nazis. I would start with the seminal text: The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich and the Goebbels diaries (actually written by him). That should give you a good start and foundation. On the JFK assassination Vincent Bugliosi's Reclaiming History is about all you need (Oswald was the lone assassin). As a counter though, start with Mark Lane's Rush to Judgement. Thanks for the recommendations on WWII. The 2 books I have on the Kennedy assassination are the 2 books the film JFK is based on: On the Trail of the Assassins by Jim Garrison and Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy by Jim Marrs
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Re: Books you just read discussion
[Re: Irishman12]
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06/02/09 11:20 PM
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I'm reading "Lessons in Disaster," by Gordon M. Goldstein. It's an account of McGeorge Bundy, his service as national security adviser to Presidents Kennedy and Johnson, and his activities in support of the Vietnam disaster. It's very good. There's a brief, amusing passage that I want to reproduce here: The Tonkin Gulf incident in August, '64, started the US on the path of escalation. A US destroyer in the Tonkin Gulf allegedly reported that it had been attacked by North Vietnamese gunboats (it was later shown to be a fraud). LBJ convened a meeting at the White House with Dean Rusk, secretary of state; Bundy, and Thomas Hughes, an intelligence officer. LBJ asked if there'd been any provocation. He was reminded that, months earlier, he'd approved sorties by South Vietnamese naval vessels against North Vietnamese islands in the Tonkin Gulf. LBJ replied: "Well, it reminds me of the movies in Texas. You're sitting next to a pretty girl and you have your hand on her ankle, and nothing happens. You move it up to her knee and nothing happens. You move it up further and you're thinking about moving it up a bit more and all of a sudden you get slapped. I think we got slapped." At that point Hughes wrote a note to Rusk: "Now that we know what happens in the movies in Texas, do you wish to continue to call this an unprovoked attack?" 
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Books you just read discussion
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06/07/09 12:56 AM
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I finally got around to reading The Road by Cormac McCarthy. It describes the struggle for survival of a man and his young son in a postapocalyptic, brutal world where everything is barren and covered with ash.
The contrast between the father and son is particularly fascinating. While the father had lived in a world of comfort, his son, to whom he is completely dedicated, has known nothing but the constant journey south, hunger, fear and cold.
Not only do they battle the cold rains, illness and starvation, but they must avoid the traveling cannibalistic marauders, who lurk among the ashen trails.
McCarthy'snarrative style is condensed and direct, and often free of punctuation. He moves the pace of the novel with bursts of phrases. Thus his overall style base and economical, which reflects the plight of the characters. Nevertheless, as always , McCarthy drops many rich images to depict the dead universe, in which the man and the boy struggle.
None of the characters in the novel has a name. They are anonymous shells, living , corpses, whose identities were lost in the ashes of their old existence.
This was well worth my time. I regret not having read this sooner.
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Re: Books you just read discussion
[Re: Yogi Barrabbas]
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06/09/09 12:53 PM
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"Night," by Elie Wiesel.
A memoir I first read over 30 years ago. After seeing Wiesel speak with Obama last week, I decided to give it another full read through (it's a very short book; it can be read in one rainy afternoon).
Anyway, the book opens in 1941, when Wiesel was a 13 year old boy, living in Sighet, Transylvania, a Jewish ghetto in Romania, with his family. It picks up in 1944, when Hungarian authorities allowed the German army to deport the Jewish community in Sighet to Auschwitz, and continues through his time at Buchenwald, and ultimately his liberation from the concentration camps.
It's an absolutely HORRIFYING account, but remains one of the most moving memoirs I've ever read. It's not for the faint of heart, but you should read it even if you are.
There's one scene in particular that tears me apart: A violinist playing Beethoven as he dies---Jews were not allowed to play Beethoven in the camps. They were considered beneath the greatness of Beethoven because he was German. To the Nazi mind set, it was an insult to the composers memory.
Wiesel's father missing out on liberation----by a matter of days----made me cry. Again.
Please read.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Books you just read discussion
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06/09/09 01:03 PM
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BRAIN DROPPINGS by George Carlin Absolutely hilarious and fun read.
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