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Re: Man in Member Only Jacket (Finale)
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12/24/08 07:01 AM
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So why didn't he whack AJ before entering the restaurant? Stop straining that feeble mind of yours with questions like this. You really think A.J. would have been his target? You think he'd whack A.J. and then wait patiently for Tony? Stick to something you know.... like plagarizing. 
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Re: Man in Member Only Jacket (Finale)
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12/26/08 01:42 PM
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Re: Man in Member Only Jacket (Finale)
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12/31/08 02:59 AM
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The actor who played the man at the counter in the members only jacket is Paolo Colandrea. My first thought was, wow what an Italian sounding name. In fact it sounds like this guy was "from the other side". Now, how many times did Tony "farm out" a big time hit to the "zips" in order to insulate himself from being implicated. I mention this because is it possible the actor chosen to play the part (Paolo Colandrea) was chosen partly because of his name? If Tony and the jersey crew had ties to the homeland it would be plausible to think NY had at least similair ties! I know this may be a little far fetched but I feel that using this actor was something David Chase INTENDED and hints to this man being a hired hit man from "the other side". It would make perfect sense given that Tony would have NO IDEA who this guy was and in the last episode he makes no indication of being on edge or concerned with him, although, Paolo definetly has distinct intetrest in what was going on at the Soprano family table in Holsten's. It IS an interesting theory. I like it.
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Re: Man in Member Only Jacket (Finale)
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01/02/09 10:18 AM
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He's just a guy who gets up from the counter and walks to the restroom - nothing more. However, our speculation is what Chase intended. I understand that is what we see but obviously there is more to him than that? Why is he so interested in he Soprano table?? He is obviously VERY nervous (we can see that as well). Tony has no idea who he is and it is obvious from the scene that he has no concern for the man (as he walks by the table Tony briefly glances at him the immediatly looks back down at the menu. I also like how someone pointed out the scene when Tony picks AJ up from the police station after he tried to kill Junior and AJ sceams at Tony about how he mentions, while watching the Godfather, that the scene when Michael kills Sollozzo was his favorite scene of all time. The last scene from the Sopranos sets up a similar scenerio occuring.
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Re: Man in Member Only Jacket (Finale)
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01/02/09 04:39 PM
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If it is an assassin, then:
1) Who is his employer? 2) The answer is most likely New York. But then: 3) Phil's dead. Butchie made the truce with Tony. 4) Why would Butchie kill Tony? It doesn't make sense; without the direction of Phil (or the direction of Tony), the two families wouldn't have much business to attend to. 5) Is it possible that the Members Only guy was employed by Phil, and when Phil was killed, word couldn't get to Members Only? It's possible, but unlikely.
The last scene is at once relieving and tense. With Phil gone and the NY/NJ war over, he has every reason to sit down and enjoy a meal out with his family. On the other hand, his shrink has left him, his son just tried to commit suicide (and previous plotlines tell us he's prone to recurring depression), and Carlo just flipped to the Feds. Indictments are on the way.
The scene mirrors not so much Tony's paranoia, but his need to be paranoid. He can't live comfortably, he can't afford to. All this wealth and prosperity has brought him to a miserable, wretched life, with only surface grins and warmth.
...dot com bold typeface rhetoric. You go clickety click and get your head split. 'The hell you look like on a message board Discussing whether or not the Brother is hardcore?
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Re: Man in Member Only Jacket (Finale)
[Re: Capo de La Cosa Nostra]
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01/02/09 05:10 PM
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The last scene is at once relieving and tense. With Phil gone and the NY/NJ war over, he has every reason to sit down and enjoy a meal out with his family. On the other hand, his shrink has left him, his son just tried to commit suicide (and previous plotlines tell us he's prone to recurring depression), and Carlo just flipped to the Feds. Indictments are on the way.
The scene mirrors not so much Tony's paranoia, but his need to be paranoid. He can't live comfortably, he can't afford to. All this wealth and prosperity has brought him to a miserable, wretched life, with only surface grins and warmth. Very good and succinct explanation. That guy in the Members Only jacket is significant only because of the explanation above.
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Re: Man in Member Only Jacket (Finale)
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01/02/09 08:29 PM
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So if the Mafia only brings misery and the Feds, why then do people join the Mob? In short, money; wealth. This is the American Dream, after all. But I don't think "join" is the right word; people are born into the culture in which crime (not necessarily organised crime) proves an easy option.
...dot com bold typeface rhetoric. You go clickety click and get your head split. 'The hell you look like on a message board Discussing whether or not the Brother is hardcore?
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Re: Man in Member Only Jacket (Finale)
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01/06/09 07:29 PM
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If it is an assassin, then:
1) Who is his employer? 2) The answer is most likely New York. But then: 3) Phil's dead. Butchie made the truce with Tony. 4) Why would Butchie kill Tony? It doesn't make sense; without the direction of Phil (or the direction of Tony), the two families wouldn't have much business to attend to. 5) Is it possible that the Members Only guy was employed by Phil, and when Phil was killed, word couldn't get to Members Only? It's possible, but unlikely.
The last scene is at once relieving and tense. With Phil gone and the NY/NJ war over, he has every reason to sit down and enjoy a meal out with his family. On the other hand, his shrink has left him, his son just tried to commit suicide (and previous plotlines tell us he's prone to recurring depression), and Carlo just flipped to the Feds. Indictments are on the way.
The scene mirrors not so much Tony's paranoia, but his need to be paranoid. He can't live comfortably, he can't afford to. All this wealth and prosperity has brought him to a miserable, wretched life, with only surface grins and warmth. I believe Tony was killed when the screen went black. We switch back and forth from Tony's POV to our usual POV and the black is Tony's POV again in my opinion. That said, Maybe an old order from Phil, who was in no position to cancel it. This is the most likely option. Butch had watched Tony show him and his crime family disrespect when curb stomping CoCo and pointing the gun at Butch. If Butch is making a move to be boss, he can't let that go unanswered or he wouldn't get any respect.
Long as I remember The rain been coming down. Clouds of Mystery pouring Confusion on the ground. Good men through the ages, Trying to find the sun; And I wonder, Still I wonder, Who'll stop the rain.
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Re: Man in Member Only Jacket (Finale)
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01/07/09 11:15 AM
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If it is an assassin, then:
1) Who is his employer? 2) The answer is most likely New York. But then: 3) Phil's dead. Butchie made the truce with Tony. 4) Why would Butchie kill Tony? It doesn't make sense; without the direction of Phil (or the direction of Tony), the two families wouldn't have much business to attend to. 5) Is it possible that the Members Only guy was employed by Phil, and when Phil was killed, word couldn't get to Members Only? It's possible, but unlikely.
The last scene is at once relieving and tense. With Phil gone and the NY/NJ war over, he has every reason to sit down and enjoy a meal out with his family. On the other hand, his shrink has left him, his son just tried to commit suicide (and previous plotlines tell us he's prone to recurring depression), and Carlo just flipped to the Feds. Indictments are on the way.
The scene mirrors not so much Tony's paranoia, but his need to be paranoid. He can't live comfortably, he can't afford to. All this wealth and prosperity has brought him to a miserable, wretched life, with only surface grins and warmth. I believe Tony was killed when the screen went black. We switch back and forth from Tony's POV to our usual POV and the black is Tony's POV again in my opinion. That said, Maybe an old order from Phil, who was in no position to cancel it. This is the most likely option. Butch had watched Tony show him and his crime family disrespect when curb stomping CoCo and pointing the gun at Butch. If Butch is making a move to be boss, he can't let that go unanswered or he wouldn't get any respect. I agree, although more with the idea that Butch was behind the hit. he was the new BOSS and NEVER liked Tony, even before the stomping of CoCo and Tony pointing the gun in his face (remember the scene when Tony goes to see Phil in the hospital afetr the heart attack?) Also, why would Butch, much like Phil want to "share" profits with Tony. I really feel it made sense for Butch to stay with the "decaptiate and do business with what's left" plan. Besides, two of the top three were already dead. Also agree with the POV theory as well. Every time the bell rings we see Tony look up and then immediatley are taken to his POV. When the bell rings upon Meadow coming in Holsten's we see Tony look up and when we SHOULD go to his POV........total blackness! he never ,as Bobby asks in episode one of the last season, saw it coming!!
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Re: Man in Member Only Jacket (Finale)
[Re: Capo de La Cosa Nostra]
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01/08/09 12:36 PM
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I don't get the hate. Why? Because Chase denies us moral closure?
It's very anti-network television; very anti-Hollywood.
Life is like that; those who oppress keep on oppressing, and continue in their affluence and misery. Don't forget the finale is called "Made in America".
It's very cynical, and it's very honest.
I love it. It's a masterpiece of tragedy. Nah, more because The Sopranos was a show I could chuck on and vibe to etc. Didn't need any complex thought to watch the show. It was pretty straight forward and to the point. Then this bullshit ending where you can't really get anything from it except endless theories and shit. Should have ended it how it was. A great show with a straight forward flow. Not this purposely cutting to black suddenly etc. I don't know. I'm ranting. I definitely don't think it's genius, or clever at all. Just annoying. Hence all the talk around the world about it. Chase got what he wanted. But what he wanted didn't fit one other episode or the flow of the show. Fuck him. Yes, I'm drunk and my views are pointless.
The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters. Cus D'Amato
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Re: Man in Member Only Jacket (Finale)
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06/29/09 12:56 AM
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Yeah I watched this episode again yesterday. Still trying to crack this nut even though there is no real way of knowing what happens unless one day Chase tells us. The only this is that damn guy in the members only jacket that makes me un-sure about Tony's survival and he's a bit shifty looking.
Speaking of members only jackets, before Vito pulls up Eugene about wearing one I had never really heard of them? Is it just a common styled jacket worn by mafioso in the 80's & 90's? What's the significance?
I think Capo de la Cosa Nostra has great points. Where's the point in killing Tony after Phill already getting whacked and a truce made with Butch. I mean there's still motive, an eye for an eye I guess or an order from Phill that was never cancelled by Butch but... I've got to say I think they have dinner and walk away. Eventually Tony goes to trial.
"Just when I thought I was out.. They pull me back in"
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Re: Man in Member Only Jacket (Finale)
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06/29/09 11:54 AM
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In many ways I find the does-he-live-or-doesn't he question quite irrelevant. In the final scene I find an endearing sense of circularity, both in the "life goes on" vibe (Tony's possible death notwithstanding) and the thematic wrap-up.
The show begins as it ends, from Tony's POV. Both are women: the alluring green statue in Melfi's waiting room (off limits, largely, for Tony's family), and Meadow's entrance to the restaurant (a family scene; the family returns).
The show takes as its opening point a son (not a gangster) who wishes to vent about his mother; hereafter, said mother interferes with business - family becomes Family.
At the end, Tony survives both family (he gets back with Carm, he outlives his mother, his children finally have some career direction) and Family (Phil is dead, things begin to look rosy again) and sits down for one Last Supper.
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...dot com bold typeface rhetoric. You go clickety click and get your head split. 'The hell you look like on a message board Discussing whether or not the Brother is hardcore?
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