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Re: Random obama Whoring
[Re: Don Cardi]
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09/04/09 10:03 PM
09/04/09 10:03 PM
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olivant
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Can someone PLEASE explain to me why so many are offended by the President wanting to talk to the children of this nation about the importance of a good education?
They're not offended by the President wanting to talk to the children of this Nation. Any "offense" is a product of a kind of sticker shock as a result of recent political changes. Conservatives controlled the Congress for 12 years until 2007 and also the White house for the last 8 years of that 12 until. In the course of two short years though, Conservatives lost control of both the Congress and the WH. Conservatives haven't figured out how or why. Then you have to acknowledge the role that the recession has played in all this and the fact that we elected a black President. For some people it's all just too much. Of course, you then have people who find solace in talk show hosts such as Hannity and Glen Beck plying their listeners with the tonic that Obama is an aberration or that Obama is an illegitimate President or that the Nation is on the road to socialism. Feeling rather powerless to stop it all, some people choose something to rant and rave about that they are familar with such as public schools. The foregoing plays a large part in any objections. PERHAPS YOU MISSED MY POST ON THE LAST PAGE. IF YOU DID HERE IT IS AGAIN: [quote=Mignon]I'm not saying he is or isn't. I'm just saying he don't need to be preaching to our kids about political policies. And you don't need to be molesting kids! You wanna qualify that statement, oli? Are you suggesting Mignon is a child molester? You know how the old saying goes SC : He who yells thief the loudest..........  ollieboy, we've disagreed many times on these boards about many different subjects and topics. There even have been times that we've probably pissed each other off with what we've exchanged through posts to each other. But I must tell you, saying something like this about another board member, especially someone like Mignon, really takes the cake. I'm going to chalk it off to sheer ignorance on your part instead of malice. You're way out of line and Mignon deserves a personal APOLOGY TOPIC FROM YOU!!! --------------------------------------- Until then, as far as I am concerned, your opinions and views are meaningless to me on these boards! [/quote]
"Generosity. That was my first mistake." "Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us." "Instagram is Twitter for people who can't read."
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Re: Random obama Whoring
[Re: olivant]
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09/04/09 10:21 PM
09/04/09 10:21 PM
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Sicilian Babe
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Olivant, you were WAY out of line. I disagree greatly with Mignon's political views, and she disagrees with mine. However, to resort to such name-calling, especially name-calling that has zero context and zero relativity, and to do so without cause, is actually beyond out of line. Allow me to join the others who feel that you owe her an apology.
As for what I said earlier, whether some of you like it or not, he IS the President of the United States. OUR President. I don't understand what is supposedly so objectionable that you would refuse your daughter a day of education, Apple. You said that you felt it was intrusive of the President to take your daughter away from her lessons, but it's perfectly fine to have her miss an entire DAY of school to miss his speech?? This makes NO sense.
As for what he says or doesn't say, what is the problem? Are we so polarized in this country that we don't want our children to hear any views except those that we want to spoon-feed them? Are we so terrified that they might learn to think independently of us?? What is the actual problem? Is he going to suggest to our children that they should participate in reckless, immoral and illegal acts? I don't believe so. I think that he might try to teach our children to do well in school, as he obviously did. He was editor of the Law Review, and I doubt that they give that out to underachievers.
You don't agree with his views? Fine. But are you really so very frightened of them that you object to having your children hear them? Are you so afraid of exposing your children to a variety of schools of thought??
President Emeritus of the Neal Pulcawer Fan Club
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Re: Random obama Whoring
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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09/05/09 10:14 AM
09/05/09 10:14 AM
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AppleOnYa
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... I don't understand what is supposedly so objectionable that you would refuse your daughter a day of education, Apple. You said that you felt it was intrusive of the President to take your daughter away from her lessons, but it's perfectly fine to have her miss an entire DAY of school to miss his speech?? This makes NO sense... I must admit I had thought about that very thing...wouldn't it be ridiculous to have her miss an entire day just to repel this 'address' and the 'lessons' that either precede or follow. Although it looks like I won't have to make that decision, I have to say that it would've been 'yes' on principle. And I doubt I would've been the only parent in the USA to do so. Why? Because of reasons I've already stated in addition to that my child doesn't need the President of the US tell her what teachers, principals, parents and role models have been telling children for years. The importance of a good education. Yes, other Presidents have delivered the same messages, while personally visiting individual schools/classrooms, not this way. Yes, Obama IS the President and he is OUR President and I share that with my daughter and do not deny it (unlike many others prominent and otherwise did w/ regard to his predecessor). It's wonderful that he has already inspired so many young people, both before and since taking Office. But he and his administration must be sent a message that he is NOT to infiltrate every aspect of our lives. He needs to get familiar with the Oval Office and start doing his job. Apple
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
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Re: Random obama Whoring
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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09/05/09 10:18 AM
09/05/09 10:18 AM
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AppleOnYa
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...He was editor of the Law Review, and I doubt that they give that out to underachievers... REALLY????  Well, that makes all the difference!! Please disregard all my previous posts. 
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
- THOMAS JEFFERSON
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Re: Random obama Whoring
[Re: AppleOnYa]
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09/05/09 12:30 PM
09/05/09 12:30 PM
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The Italian Stallionette
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So let me get this straight. These are reasons why children should NOT be exposed to President Obama's "little"speech. 1. He'll preach politics and push his secret agenda 2. He's pushing for the 2012 vote. 3. Children will miss valuable class time 4. He's injecting himself in every aspect of our lives  5. Who needs the President to tell the children what the parents, teachers and principals have told them. Give me a break. I've been listening to the news, reading stories on this and why some of these people are against this speech and there really is NO valid reason. Or, should I say no reason these people will admit to. Obama won. Get the over it.  Here dry your eyes  Some of these people have their head so far up their collective ass they'll never see the light of day. Oh, and the reason why Bush's name keeps coming up is because many were such lapdogs that NOBODY could say on single bad thing about him without being called unpatriotic but now i's ok. That's a whole other story. I read a blog yesterday where the poster kind of summed it up..." No no no to whatever Obama wants...and I won't put air in my tires either, just because Obama said so." TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Random obama Whoring
[Re: AppleOnYa]
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09/05/09 12:51 PM
09/05/09 12:51 PM
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The Italian Stallionette
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...Some of these people have their head so far up their collective ass they'll never see the light of day... Projection. Classic case. I thought to myself, you'd be the first to reply and you didn't disappoint.  Oh yes, and YOU are a classic case to be sure.  TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Random obama Whoring
[Re: The Italian Stallionette]
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09/05/09 01:17 PM
09/05/09 01:17 PM
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AppleOnYa
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...I thought to myself, you'd be the first to reply and you didn't disappoint. Oh yes, and YOU are a classic case to be sure...  As kids we used to phrase that as: "I know you are but what am I...???"or, "I'm rubber you're glue whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you...nyaahhh!!"I can see how thrilled you would be, since it's probably the first post of yours I've responded to directly in months! If you call replying to ANY post a definition of 'projection'...then I think YOU need to view the President's speech on the importance of higher education!
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
- THOMAS JEFFERSON
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Re: Random obama Whoring
[Re: AppleOnYa]
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09/05/09 01:28 PM
09/05/09 01:28 PM
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Sicilian Babe
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Why? Because of reasons I've already stated in addition to that my child doesn't need the President of the US tell her what teachers, principals, parents and role models have been telling children for years. The importance of a good education. Yes, other Presidents have delivered the same messages, while personally visiting individual schools/classrooms, not this way.
Oh, so you wouldn't mind if he took time from that Oval Office that you think he's so unfamiliar with to personally visit classrooms? Wouldn't a nationwide address to schools be a more efficient use of time?  And simply because your daughter hears that message from other role models, she doesn't need to hear it again? Isn't it a lesson she can't hear enough?? I think it's one that bears repeating, and one they can't hear enough. Given their constant exposure to rap music, violent video games, other kids who drink and smoke and use drugs, they certainly could use the repetition of life's positive lessons.
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Re: Random obama Whoring
[Re: Mignon]
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09/05/09 04:52 PM
09/05/09 04:52 PM
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The Italian Stallionette
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None of us ever know for sure what is in anyone's heart. I think with any President, you have to accept to a degree, or until proven otherwise that they have the best interest of the country in their heart. Obama has NEVER been given that consideration from day one with many wingnuts, that's a fact. They don't like him, they don't want him as President, and they'll be damned if they'll like and/or approve anything he does, which is why they are protesting this speech.  If he said the grass is green, they'd say no it isn't. Btw, the only people I've heard calling Obama a savior is the Right. I think most know he came in office having to dig us out of a hellhole and I have often said, I doubt it'll be fixed even in one term, let alone with only this President. TIS
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"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Random obama Whoring
[Re: AppleOnYa]
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09/06/09 02:54 PM
09/06/09 02:54 PM
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Some of y'all in here are funny. First off, there's no way that the Democrats are going to lose the majority in the House. They may lose some seats in the Senate, but they will even keep the majority there. Obama has already done more good in the first 9 months than Bush did in 8 years.
If only we would get healthcare reform done now. It's going to happen. The pundits are just delaying it. Healthcare reform will pass by the end of the year and there better be a public option. Healthcare is not a priviledge, it is a right. A green piece of paper should not determine whether you can get life or non life threatening treatment.
Want to hear an interesting fact I learned in class the other day? My one professor was the victim of a hate crime about 10 or 15 years ago. He has denchers in his mouth and he is getting them replaced in a few months. It is going to cost him over $60,000. He was just in Germany this past summer. Germany has universal healthcare. 89 % of prostitutes in Germany are covered and could get the same procedure done for free that he has to pay upwawards of 60 g's. A professor with a B.A. in political science and an M.A. in international relations cannot get the same coverage as a hooker in Germany.
And as far as Sarah Palin goes, I hope she gets the Republican nod in 2012. That would be an automatic win for Obama. This country is not stupid, especially the young and middle class! We have finally gotten our country back.
Cheers.
"After every dark night, there's a bright day right after that. No matter how hard it gets, stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it." -Tupac Shakur
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Re: Random obama Whoring
[Re: Patrick]
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09/06/09 03:27 PM
09/06/09 03:27 PM
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olivant
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Whoa. Slow Down Patrick. House elections are about 13 months away. Any thing can happen between now and then to mitigate election results. The loss of Democrat seats in the House (about 20) is predicated on what we know now only. Democrat losses in the Senate will stil preserve its majority, but without the votes for Cloture on a Filibuster.
Some form of health care reform will probably be enacted, but I seriously doubt that it will aproximate that which is currently describes in House Bill 3200 or any similar proposed legislation. Pundits are delaying it? According to what Congressional procedural rule?
Health care a right? Where in the US Constitution is that cited? Oh, I know. It's a natural law right, right? Can we add to that list? How about a job, a house, a car, an education? Where do we stop?
"A green piece of paper should not determine whether you can get life or non life threatening treatment." It does not determine so. Both federal law and hospital policies address treatment of any emeergency room patient.
"A professor with a B.A. in political science and an M.A. in international relations cannot get the same coverage as a hooker in Germany." Yes a professor can when he/she pays for the level of coverage desired.
By the way, the German health system is not based on a "right" As of 2007, all German citizens are required to obtain health insurance. through the Nation's public insurance option or of a company provider. The entire system is under tremendous financial strain. Public option co-pays are being increased and participants can be require to pay up to 15% of their annual gross income.
"Generosity. That was my first mistake." "Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us." "Instagram is Twitter for people who can't read."
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Re: Random obama Whoring
[Re: olivant]
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09/06/09 03:47 PM
09/06/09 03:47 PM
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Patrick
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"A green piece of paper should not determine whether you can get life or non life threatening treatment." It does not determine so. Both federal law and hospital policies address treatment of any emeergency room patient.
"A professor with a B.A. in political science and an M.A. in international relations cannot get the same coverage as a hooker in Germany." Yes a professor can when he/she pays for the level of coverage desired.
Ummm, you are saying a green piece of paper does not determine so, yet you say that my professor can PAY for the coverage he needs. He should not have to pay that ridiculous amount. Insurance company execs are living lavish lifestyles because they make bank off of sick or ailing people. It is unethical and immoral. It always comes down to that green piece of paper, and it quite simply should not. There is a revolution happening in America right now. If you aren't part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.
By the way, the German health system is not based on a "right" As of 2007, all German citizens are required to obtain health insurance. through the Nation's public insurance option or of a company provider. The entire system is under tremendous financial strain. Public option co-pays are being increased and participants can be require to pay up to 15% of their annual gross income.
Actually, Germany's health coverage is 10.8 % of the GDP, it is over 16 % in the US. And if we do nothing to reform healthcare, it will be over 50 % of our GDP by 2025. I am all for free markets and principles, however, I have always believed that if problems pursue that we (the public) cannot fix on our own, then it is the government who is responsible to fix the problem. Healthcare is only step 1. The more pundits delay this, the longer it will take to reform energy policy and the grip some of our foes in the Middle East have on us will only continue to grow. I think most of the people against reform do not realize that each time the uninsured get sick, they go to the ER. Who foots that bill? The taxpayers. Would you rather continue down that path?
"After every dark night, there's a bright day right after that. No matter how hard it gets, stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it." -Tupac Shakur
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Re: Random obama Whoring
[Re: Patrick]
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09/06/09 04:50 PM
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...And as far as Sarah Palin goes, I hope she gets the Republican nod in 2012... I don't, and for the very reason you stated, not because I don't have absolute faith in her ability. If she were by some miracle the Republican nominee she'd have my vote. But she was treated so miserably by the press in 2008 (and continues to be) that the negatives are literally insurmountable. Especially with her resigning as Gov. earlier this year, I would have to agree she's virtually unelectable. I hope the Republicans know better when choosing their nominee in 2012. Obama's record, miserable as it already is...will need an incredibly strong opposition. We don't need another Bob Dole/John McCain candidacy. Apple
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
- THOMAS JEFFERSON
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