Hi to all.

Is this wikipedia article correct?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Senter

Pay particular attention to this bit!

His projected release date is October 13, 2012. This was brought forward due to Anthony co-operating with the government by acting informer over a number of medium profile mafia cases during 2008

Has any info been released on the "meduim profile cases" he's supposedly informed on?

Surely they (The US Government) wouldnt possibly consider releasing this dude in two and a half years time?
He'll only be in his late fifties

His projected release date is on October 13th, 2032. Stop looking at Wikipedia .

http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderSer...p;x=86&y=13

Senter's a bit of an ol' creep, IMO. All those guys from that crew seem to have had that creepily-squalid kind of murderous vibe about them.

Thanks, I'm guessing some moron is messing about with wikipedia!

And yes, Senter certainly looks a creepy Bad Ass Dude.
The thing about that bunch is that normally in a crew you may have one or two guys who are tried and tested killers but DeMeo's gang were ALL killers who with the exception of the slightly squeemish Henry Borelli all also gladly took part in dismemberment!!!
Not a group of guys I would ever wanted to have met!

I doubt they will ever let Senter out of jail. this guy was probably one of the worst of the whole demeo crew. He actually killed the leader roy Demeo

Yeah, Anthony and Joey whacked Roy DeMeo.
Anthony is also the one who finished off Chris Rosenberg


* Just out of intrest, I've bought a tie off ebay from Albert DeMeo that belonged to his father.
Has anyone else purchased any DeMeo items?
I figure it may be worth something in 20 years time

Anthony and Joey were actually really nice neighborhood guys (just hated in a bunch of mob circles for drug use and their associations) . My mom got mugged and stabbed by some people from an outside neighborhood and the Gemini crew helped look for the assholes that did it . Partly because Freddy was my dads cousin but Also they looked out for the neighborhood . I remember getting $20 each for sweeping up and picking up trash in front of the Gemini . Plus going to the track to watch Freddy race , somewhere I have pics floating around of me and Susie (Freddy's monkey) . They weren't all the scumbags the books make them out to be .

The money was from Roy and Chris not Joey and Anthony lol , they were nice but not that nice . They played stickball with us in the street too. I rememBer one of them beating up some random guy for not slowing down his car and almost hitting a kid during a game ... May have been Henry now that I think about it (giving the beating not receiving)

Yeah, you're right. I'm sure they were sweethearts. You can't really judge someone by the 75 or so murders they were involved with. That would be so unfair.

You mean if you put aside the murders, chopping bodies up, drug dealing, etc?

You can judge them by that all you want , maybe you could also throw in some of the good stuff they did like hijacking milk trucks upstate or in the Midwest and bringing the milk back to Brooklyn and giving it away free in the neighborhood during the milk crisis . Or when a young girl named letisha got raped and beaten how they found out they knew the guy and brought him to the cops (severely beaten, but they turned him in nonetheless) . Roy kept that crew in line and made sure they did right by the neighborhood and civilians , when he died that all disappeared . Niño Gaggi didn't do half the decent shit that Roy did for the neighborhood . I remember hearing stories about how he got pissed abut them giving the milk away for free because it was "worth a fortune" and looked for his cut whether they sold it or not .

After Roy's death they were ripping off paperboys and old ladies that lived up the block from the Gemini . So people can say what they say about Roy he may have been a psycho but it was just when it came to business . He knew not to shit where he ate (ie robbing and hurting people in e neighborhood) they never dropped a body in that neighborhood , whatever happened in the Gemini was packaged and taken out of the area.

I'm not an expert on the American Mafia since I don't live in the USA, but from what I read, I do think that most mobsters do have some moral values. Warped, off course. But most still have some.

A lot of morons are messing about with wikipedia.

DiNome, of course everyone has their soft sides...reading Al DeMeo's book, it is easy to get caught up in what a loving person Roy, or whoever, was to most of his family and friends....but the second an innocent person got hurt (nevermind brutally murdered, on multiple occasions) it tends to outweigh anything good they did * infinity. It just does. Bottom line, the world would have better off had they not existed, ultimately; and it's the choice they made. Redemption went out the window the second someone like Cherie Golden took her last breath.

Reading about this stuff is intriguing, don't get me wrong...that's why I'm here, but I don't forget what most of these people really are...wastes of space. True story.

A great example is when you see so many mobsters wearing a crucifix with pride, going to Sunday mass, etc...as they just got back from murdering some poor soul during a home invasion...what a motherf'n joke.

I'm sure Hitler had his good points too. But that's beside the point.

DiNome having a "good" side doesnt erase all the harm those guys did. I mean they were basically worse than serial killers. It doesnt matter if they were nice to people they liked because they killed and cut up innocent people. I think you need to reevaluate what makes a person good

Dare I ask what became of your Mothers attackers once the Gemini crew caught up with them!




The Gemini crew actually helped the cops?
WTF!!!!

Your Hitler comparison is too extreme, trying to exterminate an entire race of people, including innocent children and babies, is of no comparison to these men, bad as they were.

Anthony Senter in particular looks one bad dude, especially his mugshot pic on wiki. Would love to hear about if he causes any trouble in prison, though there seems to be little info after about 1996, apart from that pension fund scam thing.

The point I was making should be obvious. Guys in the DeMeo crew may have loved their mothers, were nice to kids, helped little old ladies across the street, etc. Doesn't change the fact that they were multiple murderers who killed dozens of people and chopped them up. Not to mention guilty of many other crimes. For anyone to come here and try to make excuses for them, or be an apologist in any way, is absurd.

Was it Senter, or Testa that was in that jailhouse rock band photo (cannot seem to find it) with Carmine Persico on the drums?

It was Senter, I think the photo was taken in 1996. It was in a gangland article.

I don't condone what they did (I think it's disgusting) but , I'm just saying there was a different side to him , he wasn't your typical psycho . Now if you talk to people who grew up around Charles Carneglia they will without a doubt say he was a nasty guy , and terrifying at all times . Just trying to say that some new to keep business business and not terrify the people of the neighborhood and some acted like assholes everywhere they went and basically said fuck everyone I'm with such and such .

God knows what happened to them . I do know that after the "search party" went out the dog they robbed from my mother was all of a sudden back at our house and my brother and I had to drop off a few trays of lasagna my nonnie made at the Gemini .

My best guess is they helPed out the cops because everyone knew who the guy was , My family and friends told me he caught one hell of a beating broken bones etc and his ride to the precinct was in the trunk of a car . I guarantee if his name wasn't floating around the neighborhood he would have disappeared like so many others . This I do condone , rapists should be tortured and dismembered alive, sorry people you steal a child's or woman's innocence you deserve a painful death .

Thanks DiNome1978.


Funny thing about Roy was he would organise street parties for his neighbours and one of his closest neighbours and family friend was a policeman called Jim!
Ironic isnt it?
Looking on Googlemaps at the Flatlands church of god, that place gives me the creeps!

Like I said he was one of the nicer ones . The cop friend never surprised me because he was also cool with the cops in the local precincts , 69, 63, 71, 67 ... Whether they were on payroll , or placed bets with him .

Nice in what way? My area of Glasgow is full of these type of

people admittedly not as bad. They're from the Daniels the

biggest organized crime group in Scotland. I know some of

them some of my friends from school have grew up to join them.

They are all friendly the sort of people that will offer you

a beer in the pub. But if iwas to take a loan or drugs off them

i would be in serious shit if i couldn't pay up. All i'm saying

is the nicer among maniacs is still a maniac.

Nice in a sense that ROY* would throw a few bucks to the Piss poor family on the block , and maybe help an out of work father find work or let him do some handy man stuff for him to make some cash , or have Freddy hire them at the gas station . Believe me I'm not condoning anything they did , nor making excuses or apologies for what they did . Just sharing some of my experiences which fortunately for me and my family were all good . Maybe even pointing out the irony of how some of these guys were ruthless murderers but also a positive influence around the neigborhood in a sense .. You ask anyone that lived in a 5-10 block radius around the Gemini/Phils lounge who wasn't a degenerate gambler or druggie or mobbed up and they'll tell you they actually felt safer with them around lol, and not for nothing EVERYONE knew what was going on there .

You ask anyone that lived in a 5-10 block radius around the Gemini/Phils lounge who wasn't a degenerate gambler or druggie or mobbed up

That's the point they don't just prey on those people. They make people gambling addicts ( like my step Brother ) drug addicts ( like 2 of my cousins who are brothers ). I'm not making excuses for them just pointing out how these people can ruin you're life without mentioning Demeo.

All star line up tO say the least . Lol ... They even have a gangster social club mixed up of Westies, & Wiseguys . Lol

http://articles.nydailynews.com/1996-09-...prisons-inmates

These guys were known all over the East Coast as a Crew not to be fucked with , so much that the toughest crews were afraid to get involved with them . If Castelllano didn't get his own crew to whack him Roy would have been running that family eventually . No one else had the balls to try and kill one of them . That said , with that reputation which was known by civilians and mobsters alike why would you even think about borrowing money, placing bets, or getting drugs fronted to you by any of them . Honestly , especially when there were other crews that would just rough you up for late payments because they eventually wanted their money . That's the one thing I never got about gangsters , someone owes you a hundred K and you kill him ? How stupid is that ? Now there is no way you're getting the cash . I alsO would not say they created the druggies, gambling addicts, etc . They took advantage of a clientele that unfortunately for society is endless. One thing I will say that really sucked was for the people who intentionally avoided borrowing money from them for fear of the consequences , but indirectly ended up getting the money from them because whoever they'd borrow from borrowed from the Gemini crew . Or clients of people they whacked who's debts got inherited by the Gemini crew when they whacked the original debtor .

You still went too far. He was not apologizing fro them, he was giving us some stories he had of them that we have never heard. If he, or anyone, apologized for them I would condemn them.

Finally someone gets it ! I would never justify what any of them did . The only act I can actually justify is when my cousin Freddy got so pissed off when they killed Roy and my cousin Richie he ratted , as much as I hate rats , I guess Freddy figured he'd never get close enough to the twins to get revenge he might as well fuck them in other ways. Ironically none of Freddys testimony made it to any trial or really helped lock anyone up because he gave the Feds shit about dead people . Then he killed himself ... Or did he ?

In your original post you said, "They weren't all the scumbags the books make them out to be." Who were you referring to? Just DiNome? Or Testa and Senter as well? Because you mentioned the latter two in the same post and there's no way you could apply what you said to those two.

Here's a story I don't remember if it was in Murder Machine, it's been years since I read that rag and I never looked back . Regardless as my grandfather tells it Richie DiNome (Freddys brother) actually tried to hit Castellano . Problem is the people who asked him to do it were setting him up while at the same time hoping he'd actually get him . So richie shows up at Pauls place and before he could get a shot off got lit up by Pauls body guards. He stumbled out in the street wearing and he was wearing an NYPD TSHIRT (given to him by my uncle) and before Pauls crew could go out and finish him someone noticed the NYPD shirt and started screaming "cop shot cop shot" so within minutes the cops rolled up and they were unable to finish him off . It's believed that this is in fact what got him killed , and not Castellanos people either it was the people who asked him to hit Paul for fear that he would have given them up. Richie was a tough mother fucker he got shot like 15 times and still made it out of there alive. Oh and the story about him shooting himself in the hand when he was putting a silencer on a gun isn't completely accurate , what is left out is that he was basically playing tug o war with the gun because the person he was with told him he was putting it on wrong and went to grab it from him and Richie realized that person didn't know what he was doing so he grabs the gun back silencer first while the other meathead accidentally pulled the trigger, both were drunk I am told . I've also heard stories about would be crew members accidentally catching a bullet because these guys were drunk or high and playing Taxi Driver with a loaded gun with a hair trigger . Richie had a heart of gold , and he just wanted to be a part of what his brothers were doing . It's sad especially if you knew how they grew up .

From my personal experiences all of them treated neighborhood people right . That is until Roy was gone , he kept them in line . After they killed him all bets were off . I guess I should have posted they weren't ALWAYS the scumbags . But I have to say Freddy , and Roy were always good guys despite/outside of their extracurricular activities . At least good to family , friends , and the neighborhood.

DiNome, I really believe you that Roy was friendly to people who weren't involved in organized crime.
Now what I'm going to say isn't comparable at all to growing up in NYC, but even in a country as small as mine ( Belgium ) you can get into contact with people who are involved in organized crime. The part of the country were I live has a large Italian community. A friend of mine owns a bar dedicated to the football club AC Milan. There's one family living in that town who are known to be members of the Ndrangheta. Everybody knows that they sell heroin. But since I regularly visit the cafe, some members of the family have occasionly talked to me. And even though you know they do some bad stuff, they don't feel all that unpleasant when talking with them. They are pretty nice guys in fact ( I don't know if that's the right way to put it).
I also have another friend -an Albanian- whose dad spend more time in prison than at home, mainly for human trafficking. And we all know that human trafficking is a hideous crime, but still I visited my friend a couple of times and his dad was very friendly and welcoming to me.
All this is in no way comparable to the situation in New York, but when you say that they could be 'nice', I understand what you mean.

If Roy hadnt been whacked when he was then the cops would have busted him.
Dom Montigilio ratted later that year and Walter Mack was building his case stronger each day.
1983 would have been Roys last year as a free man!

Roy might have did some time behind the car ring , but that would have been about it . Montiglio was only beneficial to the case against Gaggi . Unless Gaggi flipped on Roy they wouldn't have been able to put him away for life. The only murder Montiglio could have implicated him in was the kid who broke Gaggis nose , and that wouldn't have done much seeing how he took part in the attempts as well as the eventual murder . You can tip off about murders and be a murderer yourself , but when all you can give up is a murder you helped commit the case would never have stuck . As for Freddy he didnt flip until after they killed Roy and Richie so Roy wouldn't have gotten pinched because of him . I think Walter Mack was quoted as saying something about it after they found Roy dead . Something along the lines of Roy getting whacked being easier than trying to build a successful case against him .

It's great that you can relate , and understand where I'm coming from . I don't condone it but I don't hold it against them/or pre judge them either . I have a long line of organized crime in my family , my mothers uncles, cousins, brothers, were and some still are all involved with LCN (they're off the boat sicilians) , her father was the only one who was legit he was actually a cop in Brooklyn , he worked in the 69 , 63, 67, 71, and 77 precincts . My dads family were all criminals they started out in the Camorra in Italy and eventually ended up with The Gambino, Lucchese, and Colombo families here . So it's kind of hard for me to hate on them when I see different sides during the holidays etc . Also when I was brought around the Gemini (lived a few doors down), the lounge,buon giorno's, the Ravenite, Bergin, Veterans, and ton of other hang outs as a kid and met a ton of these people and was given money , candy, toys, and baseball cards, learned how to play cards and shoot craps, by some of the "meanest" gangsters or most "ruthless" murders but to me they were just nice fat italian guys to me who taught me bad words in italian and spoiled us kids . Reading about all of them now and being in Law Enforcement myself it's obvious that I feel for their victims families but I never knew that side of them . One guy I will say was always kind of a dick was Gotti , Charles Carneglia always creeped me out too . He was nice but I'd throw any candy away or give it away if he gave it to us .

I've just finished murder machine and that is infact what Walter said, by killing Roy they made the case easier to make.

You wonder also, if he could have pulled off the 'fake his death and go to the Bahamas' plan Roy was working with his kid, in the time leading up to his death (outlined in Sins of my Father, I believe)

With all the indictments soon to come down, he wouldn't have had many folks to bother searching for him, or killing his family, etc.

I bet he could have been successful, but we will never know...

My situation isn't comparable to your situation at all, but I can definitely see what you mean. It's foolish to think that you can live somewhere, no matter how small your country is, without getting into contact in some way with organized crime. While in Belgium the Belgians themselves aren't known for being involved in lots of organized crime ( some tend to join Outlaw Motorcyle gangs however), Belgium is home to large Italian, Turkish, Moroccan, Dutch, Chechen, Albanian and Georgian Jewish communities. Within each of those communities there have been arrests of people who were involved big time in organized crime. Since I have one or more friends in each of those communities, I will always know some people who have relatives involved in OC.
On another note : over the past 5 years there have been 3 pedophiles caught in my small village only. And about 30km from where I live there was a serial rapist on the loose who was beginning to randomly kill people ( he made 3 known victims, but there might be more). Now I think that these pieces of **** are far more appalling than any mobster living in your neighborhood.

i dont think moroccons have organized crime just drug dealers at most

Moroccans do have a form of OC.
While a lot of Moroccans ( especially in the larger Belgian and Dutch cities) still behave like disorganized street-level robbers, a minority has -especially in Amsterdam- exploited their links with hashish barons based in the Rifian areas ( since almost all Moroccans in Belgium and the Netherlands are of Rifian origin). While bringing in hashish was previously something Dutch criminals did, some Moroccans in the diaspora have also began to organize themselves and start bringing in hash, as well as cocaine.
But yes, most are still disorganized, but an increasing lot is beginning to organize themselves, just like an increasing number of Algerians are beginning to do in France.

Child abusers , Rapists of any kind, all deserve to die slow and painful deaths .

From what I understand there are certain Moroccan organizations in Morocco and abroad that deal drugs and help fund terrorism . It's pretty disgusting to think such a beautiful place that generates a lot of its tourism income from Americans ends up breeding terrorists that want to destroy America .

It's a shame really that Moroccans, Algerians, Lebanese and Pashtuns have terrorists within their communities ( terrorists, in my honest opinion, are retarded. No matter the university degree they may have) because I've also met a lot of very cool people from their communities.
And they also have some splendid looking girls ( no kidding)

Terrorists are the most hypocritical beings on the planet . How do you justify bombing/killing in the name of your religion or homeland yet you do it within crowds o people from your religion/homeland thus makin the majority of the casualties of your cause the people you are supposedly representing ? Like take Muslims for instance , blowing up Mosques which only kills Muslims ? Seriously how stupid can you be ? Or the IRA blowing up and destroying Northern Ireland , and while they may kill one or 2 English cops for the most part they're killing the Irish . Fucking retards

And the fact stays that no group has ever achieved anything with terrorism. IRA, ETA, Tamil Tigers,...all failed continuously.

Yeah the IRA have basically admitted defeat, apart from small sects of lunatics.

The REAL IRA, as well as Al Qaeda In The Islamic Maghreb, Tamil Tigers, Hezbollah and Palestinian Islamic Jihad are becoming nothing more than drug and weapon traffickers, human smugglers and extortionists. I think they engage more in criminal activities than in terrorism nowadays.

It sort of depends on how you define "terrorism" and "achievements".
France does not rule Algeria or Vietnam today, in part because of violent acts that were called terrorism at the time. The same is true of Great Britain and Palestine/Israel. You could even say that the British settler and government counterrevolutionary response in Kenya was particularly brutal terrorism which succeeded in putting down the revolt but failed long term in keeping Kenya under direct British control.

So sometimes violence/terrorism works; sometimes it doesn't.

Moroccans do have a form of OC.

it depends what you mean for 'organized crime'
a bunch of people smuggling hashish dont are so organized to me just dealers
according to italian police moroccan and north african gangs in general are disorganized and they are not even close to have the caratheristic typical of mafia groups

Well, if you put it that way I think almost no crime group comes even close to the Italians.

i think italian mafias yakuza clans and chinese triads are by far the most organized crime groups worldwide

Yeah, I pretty much agree with that.
There are a lot of other ethnic gangs that are labeled as 'organized crime', but they aren't as organized as the Mafia, Yakuza or Triads. Eventhough I think the Solntsevskaya Bratva is also very organized.
I think the Albanians, Mexicans,...might be a tad overrated. But I wouldn't mess with them either.

The law enforcement definition of organized crime is essentially a group of people usually at least 3 that gather and commit crimes for tensile purpose of financial and/or material gain . There doesn't have to be a chain of command, just as long as they're out there breaking the law with at least 3 people sharing in the crimes and fruits of said crimes . I have a friend who is a Baltimore Cop , and he was telling me about a series of drug busts that he took part in and a few of the perps had these payroll checks on them at the time they were arrested . After checking bank records the checks were being drawn on some 22 year old kids account . Turns out this kid was paying his drug runners (which he had all over the city) on the books ! He had them fill out W2's and everything , so he ended up going from simple corner drug boy to OC . Funny thing is the usual thing that keeps these dealers behind bars long term is the tax evasion . This guy had that beat . Unfortunately for him though the Feds will be watching him for the rest of his life . Goes to show you , anyone can be considered OC

Tommy pitera is just as feared as roy and apperantly he was a dick to everyone he didnt give a fuck about the neighbourhood or anyone other than making money

Pitera enjoyed killing people, I don't think Demeo 'enjoyed' it. Demeo was broken for a period when he discovered he killed an innocent boy.
One guy in Demeo's crew who really creeps me out is Chris Rosenberg. Some say he looks a bit goofy in his known picture, but I think he has that Last House On The Left/Texas Chainsaw Massacte-aura about him lol. He also ruthlessly butchered a couple of Colombians and a Cuban. Which, in those days, wasn't really a good career move.

yes but there is a lot difference between a simple organized crime group and mafia-type organized crime group

The Albanians and Mexicans are very brutal but not as organised as the Italians or Yakuza

No one was as feared as Demeo and his crew . That's why anytime someone from that crew had to be whacked the crew itself did it , no one would take the contracts . Tonny Karate was an animal though . I've heard horror stories about him .

My Father , Brother, and Uncles , as well as pretty much anyone who knew him said Chris was a fucking asshole but loyal . They also said he was kind of a dirtbag and when everyone was going out to clubs and shit they always tried to ditch him . He caused a ton of problems for Roy but Roy had a lot of love for him . He really was that delusional though and thought he was gonna be the first Jew who got made . It was his fault that Roy ended up killing that Spanish kid by his house , because if he never robbed and killed the Columbians Roy wouldn't have thought there was a hit squad looking for him . Him starting that war over the drugs also verified to the rest of the family what they already knew and that was that Roy'a crew dealt drugs and Paul Castellano knew about it and kept taking the money no problem while he threatened Gotti and other crews that if they dealt drugs they'd be killed (something else that gives weight to the fact Paul was scared of the Gemini crew and he just hated Gotti )

Chris Rosenberg is mentally disturbed.
Examples of psychokinesis could include distorting or moving an object,[6] and influencing the output of a random number generator.[5][7][8]

I'm with Ivy here, there is no honest justification for a bunch of amoral thugs, which essentially, is the primary definition for the DeMeo crew.

These guys were cold-blooded killers. According to informant testimonies the crew, headed by Roy, would follow a sadistic cycle upon murdering their victims. The crew would first lure their victims to an apartment directly behind the Gemini Lounge where they were shot in the back of the head by Roy DeMeo and the head would be swiftly wrapped in a towel. Harvey "Chris" Rosenberg would then stab the victim in the heart to stop the bleeding. Then the body would be left to drain in a bathtub for 45 minutes. After the body was drained and chopped up it would be left in a garbage bags while Roy DeMeo and the crew would order a pizza and eat it with their unwashed bloody hands.

Ultimately Roy DeMeo died the way he lived, as a street rat, in fetal position, in the trunk of his car. There is no sympathy or empathy from anyone including the Gambinos who he made so much money for over the years.

Don't forget as well Senter shot an innocent girl to death too, remember that from murder machine. Despicable men.

Gary correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you buy Roy Demeo's tie off eBay ?

Yep, thats true.
Its more of a collectors item that *may* be worth something in a few years time.
It didnt cost much.
Think of it as being the same as people who collect Nazi memorabilia

Yeah I'm not knocking ya, I think his son has a store on there.

I think you are bit of on sadist part. They did not torture, they killed quickly. It's wrong, but not torture.

What's with "Senter's" Italian ancestry? His last name came from the North with Italian immigrants, right?

Don't believe everything Capeci and Mustain tell you , especially when they are the words of a low life drug addict who was saying what he was saying to save his own ass and make everyone else involved look worse and himself look like an angel . Lastly Roy , and his crew for the most part were pretty boys/ladies men not to mention Roy was very careful so I'd guarantee they showered after a kill let alone washed their hands . The three ( Mustain, Capeci, Montiglio) of them told enough tall tales theres no need for you to make up your own . I highly doubt not to mention never read or heard from people who were around them that they sat and ate with blood all over their hands which makes sense being there was really nowhere to hide other than the bathroom in that apartment if someone came to the door ie pizza man , cops, neighbor . They were smarter than that , which is why they never got caught while Roy was running things .

Yes , only in Northern Italy will you find Italians without vowels at the end of their last names LOL . Some say the names got butchered at Ellis Island (highly possible) , some say it's because of the close proximity to Austria , Germany, & France (mating with non Italians ? That screws up the lineage when it comes time to be inducted/made no ?) which always raises the question whether or not certain families from Northern Italy are actually Italian by blood or just relocated during WW2 during the Hitler/Mussolini alliance . The name Senter actually sounds to me like it could be German or Austrian honestly .

Wrong. This is a huge misconception. There are plenty of Italian as well as Sicilian surnames not ending in vowels, of people born and raised in Italy/Sicily. It's less common, but not UNcommon.

You know the "gore" collectors would love to buy Roy's old butcher tools. The ones he kept for use at the apartment at the Gemini. Someone should ask Albert where those babies are. lol. You know those bone saws of his saw plenty of use.

I think they used a proper butchers kit!
(Roy and Joey had experience in that line of work)

These are the same nuts who are dressing like the Batman gunman in Colorado. I saw a clip about these people on GMA this morning. It's crazy.

All due respect, I am more inclined to believe and trust the information I have read concerning the DeMeo crew from published books, mob transcripts and witness testimonies over any word from a neighborhood guy. I know you're giving your perspective and everyone, including you, are entitled to your views on DeMeo and his crew but your views seem a little bias. Almost like you're defending these guys and what they did.

Witnesses saw the negative side of them, of course they're not going to tell anything good about them. Published books are written by humans and most humans are just as biased regarding the life of (organized) criminals : Sometimes they are portrayed as the most glamorous beings to ever grace the earth, while in another book/movie they are portrayed as pure inhuman monsters. The truth is that they're neither of those.

He did not seem to defend what they did at all, he gave us another side to story, and example of how they were in other aspects everyday life. I thought it was good info.

It's common in Northern Italy , you won't find many if any in Southern Italy . Sorry but you won't convince me other wise , my fathers family comes from Naples , and my mothers from Sicily and I've frequented both places my entire life and the few Italians I've met without vowels come from Northern Italy .

All due respect but you seem to have your own take on my stories which is fine , but nowhere have I defended any of the actions of the Gemini crew . I simply told a story from a different perspective .. MY PERSPECTIVE from what I PERSONALLY experienced or what my family witnessed hanging around those guys and told me (which I figured was something nice to share being I'm sure most people on here didn't grow up a few doors down and see these people on a daily basis and have family who worked close with them or arrested them) . You can believe what you want but in this equation I'm the only one who has ZERO to gain . The writers beef up their stories to sell more books for financial gain (see Philip Carlo) , the government witnesses beef up their story for the DA's case and tell a gory story and make themselves look like the angel or guy along for the ride with these "monsters" in order to save their asses and help with a conviction . As for the district attorney see government witness (no need for me to retype) . It's a moot point , you're not gonna convince me and I have no desire to convince anyone . What these men did was horrible , but to me they were family, neighbors, friends who never did a thing to harm me or anyone in the neighborhood .

Sorry, but you said ONLY in Northern Italy. Now you change your tune. Enough said. Your father's family blah blah blah...my husband is born and raised in Sicily, my father is from Sicily, and I'm in Sicily for the past 16 years or more of my life.

in south italy there are some surnames without vowels like martines or lopez and others most of them from spanish origins

There are also surnames that seem to be of Latin origins like De Santis or De Michelis, but I don't know if they are more common in northern or southern Italy. I also remember reading about a mafioso called Francesco Mangion.

Sorry, but you said ONLY in Northern Italy. Now you change your tune. Enough said. Your father's family blah blah blah...my husband is born and raised in Sicily, my father is from Sicily, and I'm in Sicily for the past 16 years or more of my life. [/quote]

I didnt change my tune , I said EXACTLY the same thing I said in the first post . Read it again

The other exception is immigrants who came through Ellis island and had their names butchered to sound more American , or make it easier to pronounce . But I would bet money that the majority of the names without a vowel at the end in soutern and the middle of italy originate from the North , or have Spanish , Norse, German , or Greek origin .

A Capeci/Mustain error . Freddy DiNome gave the name DiName when he was arrested . Capeci and Mustain attributed this to his illiteracy/dyslexia , while Freddy was dyslexic this spelling had nothing to do with it. Fact is when my grandfather , his brother , and a cousin came over from Italy like most immigrants they came through Ellis island . The clerk handling them made a suggestion that they switch the family name from DiNome to DiName , the only one who did so was the cousin because he felt it sounded more American . Years later my grandfather got a job in the court system , like most Italians from our section of Brooklyn he had some mob ties , and he thought up the idea that our family could have 2 rap sheets , one under the name DiName , and one under DiNome . For many years this worked get arrested or questioned give the name DiName , go for a good job give the name DiNome . They all had 2 birth certificates , 2 driver licenses , pretty much everything you needed to live a double identity . This actually worked for a while until Richie or his brother Paulie (don't remember which one) was arrested and caught with 2 licenses one saying DiNome and one saying DiName , after that the Feds did a little research , started looking into our family and figured out exactly what was going on and why Freddy DiNome never had any arrests , they looked at Freddy DiName and saw mug shots and fingerprints and realized they were one in the same . So by the time Freddy got pinched for his OC activities the cat was out of the bag and they were arresting him under DiNome and combining his arrest records with his arrests under DiName as well . It happened to a few other members of the family as well . There's your useless fact for the day lol

i think several italian surnames in the states are wrong, looks like santora that is sure santoro or massino that could be messina and several others

These two posts are NOT the exact same, just as I said, you changed your tune.

Try reading the whole post instead of just what you want to read

"It's common in Northern Italy , you won't find many if any in Southern Italy . Sorry but you won't convince me other wise , my fathers family comes from Naples , and my mothers from Sicily and I've frequented both places my entire life and the few Italians I've met without vowels come from Northern Italy ."


May not be the same exact wording but they say the same thing . In other words the point I was trying to make . So I'm still singing the same tune . Sorry

The processors at Ellis Island did a major job of butchering last names of immigrants from all over the world . My grandfather told me about a friend of his whose last name was Belladonna and they change it to Bell . There's also a bunch of Rossetti and Rossi's that changed their names to Ross . It's crazy how people can just cut away generations of family history just to try and fit in.

@DiNome1978

do you think that john jackie deross and thomas peewee dephillips, surname could have been butchered at ellis island.

If they weren't from Northern Italy I wouldn't be surprised , I have friends with the last name DeRosa and in my family there are Defillippo's those could be the original names or like I said they could be from Northern Italy originally . Now to be clear when I am saying the people with no vowels at the end are all from Northern Italy I mean the family's origin . I haven't been to Ellis Island in a long time but I believe you can look up ancestors last names and it if it was changed you should be able to see what it started out as .

dephilips stands surely for de filippo
i dont know deross it could be de rosa de rossi or whatever

Actually this guy Dinome sounds like hes telling the truth and really grew up with these guys in Bensonhurst (i think that's where the Gemini was) and is right on. for ivyl...


i disagree with him regarding DEMEO being nice however.

The Gemini was in Flatlands

Like I said I can only speak from my experience with him. I'm sure people who owed him money or were in some sort of business with him saw a much different side of him .

Correct ! Corner of Flatlands ave & Troy ave right off of Flatbush ave . Neighborhood has gone to shit and ironically enough the Gemini Lounge is a church now of all things . Lol

Hi Dinome1978.

Whats your take on Dracula?
Albert Demeo says he dropped him off at the airport and never heard from him again.
Either Dracula came back to NYC and ran into Joey and Anthony or he lived out his life in obscurity somewhere!

That place needs a lot of religion to rid it of the massacre factory it was!

Yeah Joey Guglielmo has always been a mystery to me. Albert did say that he dropped him off in 1983 and never saw him again. Now Dracula was pretty crazy i mean he robbed a bank dressed in drag, collected sex toys, and drank blood from the demeo crew victims. So I cant see him laying low for too long. I'd say taht he probably got killed eventually but i have no idea who did it

Albert told another story about Dracula.
He says that one time, Dracula got into a bar room fight with some guy and stabbed him.
With his record that would mean serious jail time.
Roy vowed to sort the problem but told Dracula to leave town and keep a low profile whilst he did so.
Albert and Roy took him to la guardia airport and whilst he was checking in the x-ray scanner picked up something in his bag and so the airport security emptied it out and found it full of sex toys.
Albert says his dad started to boil over in rage/embarrasment and walked out the airport cursing!
LOL

Thats a funny story about Dracula, ya i remember reading that in Albert Demeo's autobiography. So did Dracula actually drink the victims blood? Or are those just rumors? because I don't actually remember that from Murder Machine, but I could be wrong. And how did Dracula actually die and when? Do they not know?

Ya I agree. To be honest, i read Albert DeMeo's book before reading Murder Machine, and so going into Murder Machine I was sort of sympathetic to Roy, because honestly nobody can deny that he was a good father. However, all of the murders he committed outweigh any good. Maybe I should have read the books in the other order... haha