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Re: Goodfellas
[Re: Turnbull]
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10/02/09 03:36 PM
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I think the point of that scene is to show that, under the severe pressure Karen was feeling because of Henry's arrest, she was getting paranoid.
I agree. I'd add that the entire final 45 minutes of the film is dedicated to the paranoia involved in living the drug culture. Helicopters, lucky hats, bimbos, etc.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Goodfellas
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10/13/09 01:27 PM
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What would Jimmy have gained by killing Karen? Nothing. And if you believe Hill's last book (GANGSTERS AND GOODFELLAS), Karen had an affair with Paul Vario, which probably would have made her getting clipped even more unlikely. I'm hardly a Mob apologist or romantic (as everyone here knows), and wives, siblings, children and innocents do get hurt in that life once in awhile (Pete Chiodo's sister, anyone?) But in that particular case, I doubt Karen was ever in any danger. On film, the scene was shot to demonstrate the drug fueled paranoia of both Henry and Karen.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Goodfellas
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10/13/09 05:47 PM
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I think Jimmy just wasn't taking any chances. He whacked out Johnny Roast Beef and his new wife who knew little to nothing (if I remember correctly that was true to life). Karen had years of knowledge on things like Lufthansa and participation with the drugs.Karen had enough knowledge to do some real damage.It's not like someone like Jimmy was gonna be sentimental when faced with that situation. I think he was gonna whack her.
If karen had just disappeared Henry may or may not have figured out what happened and since Jimmy already planned on whacking out Henry he probably would've tried to get Henry gone quickly after Karen before Henry could really do anything. I agree 100% with you about this. Turnball's point made a lot of sense too, though. But I think Jimmy Burke was a crazy nut who was mad at the fact he could never be made. Maybe that was what his problem was. The guy was a cold blooded murderer. The sad thing is mobsters who have killed more people then Manson aren't as big a deal. These mafiosos make the grim reaper look like a bi$$$.
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Re: Goodfellas
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10/14/09 06:54 PM
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Truth! Probably even the lowest of made guys have done more bad shit than Manson ever did.
Same with Hoover and the early days of the FBI. Made such a big deal about the midwest bank robbers in the 30's stealing a few thousand while OC was raking in millions.
Yeah!! Especially the former Chicago mobsters Sam DeStefano and Tony Spilotro. Then there was Tony "Gas Pipe" Casso and Chistopher "Christy Ticks" Funari of the Lucchese family who were murder machines.
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Re: Goodfellas
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04/21/10 01:52 PM
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I just caught a VERY funny line that I honestly never really thought about before. At Henry's wedding, right at the very start of the reception, Paulie is introducing Karen to the whole family. Well, this is EXACTLY how he made one introduction: "And this is Peter, this is my brudda's second cousin." Now wouldn't his brother's second cousin be his second cousin as well? 
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Goodfellas
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08/26/10 09:17 PM
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I always thought it odd that in the Billy Batts bar scene, Billy is drinking with a couple of other guys who clearly have facial hair. One has a mustache, like Billy and the other has a full beard. The "rule" in LCN is no facial hair at all. What is the explanation of this? Those other guys were not "made"? Billy, fresh from the can, would shave off his mustache soon before getting back into the daily life of LCN? Am I too detail obsessed or is this just a Scorsese over sight? Thoughts? You probably picked up the "no facial hair" "rule" from "Donnie Brasco." That may have been the rule in the Bonanno Family at the time Pistone was infiltrating it, but Batts was with the Gambinos, who may not have had that "rule." I've seen photos of other Mafia guys with facial hair.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Goodfellas
[Re: Turnbull]
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09/30/10 08:46 PM
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I always thought it odd that in the Billy Batts bar scene, Billy is drinking with a couple of other guys who clearly have facial hair. One has a mustache, like Billy and the other has a full beard. The "rule" in LCN is no facial hair at all. What is the explanation of this? Those other guys were not "made"? Billy, fresh from the can, would shave off his mustache soon before getting back into the daily life of LCN? Am I too detail obsessed or is this just a Scorsese over sight? Thoughts? You probably picked up the "no facial hair" "rule" from "Donnie Brasco." That may have been the rule in the Bonanno Family at the time Pistone was infiltrating it, but Batts was with the Gambinos, who may not have had that "rule." I've seen photos of other Mafia guys with facial hair. You know, until recently, I thought that the term "mustache pete" was literally referring to facial hair. In reading the GF, I took it to mean a derogatory term for the old guard, the older gangsters and that it was perhaps based on people from the old country preferring to wear facial hair. I took it as the children of immigrants assimilating culturally into American culture where a fresh face and no facial hair was more par for the course.
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Re: Goodfellas
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09/30/10 09:37 PM
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You're right! "Moustache Pete" in the Thirties and Forties connoted an old-time Sicilian, dressed and wearing a drooping moustache typical of 19th Century Sicily. Americanized gangsters like Charlie Luciano, Frank Costello and Joe Adonis held them in contempt, and applied that monicker in a derogatory way.
Ironically, the last two "Moustache Petes" in NYC, Joe Massaria and Salvatore Maranzano, who fought each other in famous Castellemmarese War of 1930-31, were clean-shaven.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Goodfellas
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12/03/10 04:26 PM
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I also think it confirms jimmy's suspicions about Karren and Henry and how insecure they may be knowing their situation
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Re: Goodfellas
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12/13/10 10:42 PM
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I think he was trying to honestly scare the hell out of her to send a little message.
It is better to beg for forgivness than ask for permission.
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Re: Goodfellas
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12/13/10 10:44 PM
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I think Paulie thought very highly of Karen and that would not have been good for Jimmy to whack her.
It is better to beg for forgivness than ask for permission.
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Re: Goodfellas
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I think all the drugs might have put her on edge a little to much and she was just paranoid.
It is better to beg for forgivness than ask for permission.
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Re: Goodfellas
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02/19/11 10:55 AM
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Did that actually happen? Back then . . . maybe. Today, fuggetaboutit. You know the law better most, Oli. Today, assaulting a mailman would practically viewed as a terrorist act, no?
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Re: Goodfellas
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02/19/11 11:25 AM
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Did that actually happen? Back then . . . maybe. Today, fuggetaboutit. You know the law better most, Oli. Today, assaulting a mailman would practically viewed as a terrorist act, no? Well, yeah. But even back then Mafiosi were doing all they could to avoid the feds. It just doesn't seem realistic that they would risk attacking the postman for no real profit.
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Re: Goodfellas
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02/19/11 11:39 AM
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It just doesn't seem realistic that they would risk attacking the postman for no real profit. Yeah, I agree. But you have to consider the source. Henry Hill has been discredited on so many things over the years, it's hard to keep track. The man is a pathological liar and a hopeless junkie.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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