Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

It sounds like - especially magnified by the haste with which you were so quick to attack the notion that state capitalism isn't socialism - that you've come to whatever conclusions you have by way of misguided historical lessons. I can't account for it personally - everyone's different, with their own sources of information, however part of an existing trend they are. Might be to do with taking Stalinism on its own words, and watching from afar the way this 'socialism' failed tremendously for half a century before the Berlin Wall came down and history was announced to have ended and that capitalism would flourish once more.


I never said the state capitalism isn't socialist. Still in the most capitalist states there are social security provisions. I've always said a bare minimum is actually necessary.

And for the record I don't think the hope for a socialist movement would ever end. Just as religion has survived, granted that's been toned down for periods, but then some would start reading shiny bright ideas and experience the same outcome over and over again.

I only think that people in all those experiences that rose and fell, weren't happy neither through the beginning, nor through the middle or the end. And if it is okay with you, I've no desire to test it myself. tongue

Now I've to excuse myself, I really have no more time and energy to put into this debate, as my monstrous capitalist employer is very demanding. grin


"Fire cannot kill a dragon." -Daenerys Targaryen, Game of Thrones