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Julian Assange & Wikileaks
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12/14/10 12:40 AM
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Is there really no thread on this guy & his situation? He's not seriously regarded as criminal by most people, is he?
He's a journalist/publisher for chrissakes. & the circumstances surrounding his charged are a little odd. Apparently the sex in question was consensual, but his alleged refusal to wear a condom was not...??? Is that right?
Thats crazy. No wonder so many have stated that the charges are practically unwinnable anyway, & interestingly, most sources fail to state he was wanted only for questioning by Swedish authorities, not as a guilty suspect, which seems to be the implied inference.
Ultimately, the charges will have served their purpose if he can be held long enough to be extradited to the USA. Which is what seems to be the real motive here, right guys...?
Anybody?
(cough.)
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Re: Julian Assange & Wikileaks
[Re: afsaneh77]
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12/14/10 04:15 AM
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Julie made a classic mistake: You can piss off/stick it to everybody, one at a time. But not all at once.
Whether these crimes are legit or not, I do think the governments/Internet/credit card companies throwing the book...no the library...at that group only gives them legitimate positive status as outlaws. Opposite of what they intend, I assume.
Or to put it another way, consider how this shitstorm didn't fall on them after they leaked the documents on Afghanistan and Iraq, or for that matter that infamous, embarrasing classified video of U.S. military cutting down those Reuters reporters*.
No, the hammer came down after those diplomatic cable leaks. I think that probably says everything to be said on that front?
Besides the governments are going to learn quickly what Hollywood and music labels learned the hard way earlier this decade: You can try to police such digital piracy all you want, but you can't stop it. A finger in a dam's leak.
*=Which was a tragedy enough, but then claim those casualties were a result of a (fictional) battle with insurgents...classic Watergate mistake: cover-up of the crime blowback worse than the crime itself.
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Re: Julian Assange & Wikileaks
[Re: afsaneh77]
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12/14/10 04:54 PM
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/interpol-the-worlds-datin_b_793033.htmlDear Interpol: As a longtime feminist activist, I have been overjoyed to discover your new commitment to engaging in global manhunts to arrest and prosecute men who behave like narcissistic jerks to women they are dating. I see that Julian Assange is accused of having consensual sex with two women, in one case using a condom that broke. I understand, from the alleged victims' complaints to the media, that Assange is also accused of texting and tweeting in the taxi on the way to one of the women's apartments while on a date, and, disgustingly enough, 'reading stories about himself online' in the cab. Both alleged victims are also upset that he began dating a second woman while still being in a relationship with the first. (Of course, as a feminist, I am also pleased that the alleged victims are using feminist-inspired rhetoric and law to assuage what appears to be personal injured feelings. That's what our brave suffragette foremothers intended!). Thank you again, Interpol. I know you will now prioritize the global manhunt for 1.3 million guys I have heard similar complaints about personally in the US alone -- there is an entire fraternity at the University of Texas you need to arrest immediately. I also have firsthand information that John Smith in Providence, Rhode Island, went to a stag party -- with strippers! -- that his girlfriend wanted him to skip, and that Mark Levinson in Corvallis, Oregon, did not notice that his girlfriend got a really cute new haircut -- even though it was THREE INCHES SHORTER. Terrorists. Go get 'em, Interpol! Yours gratefully, Naomi Wolf
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Julian Assange & Wikileaks
[Re: Lilo]
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12/15/10 07:02 AM
12/15/10 07:02 AM
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afsaneh77
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/interpol-the-worlds-datin_b_793033.html
Dear Interpol:
As a longtime feminist activist, I have been overjoyed to discover your new commitment to engaging in global manhunts to arrest and prosecute men who behave like narcissistic jerks to women they are dating.
I see that Julian Assange is accused of having consensual sex with two women, in one case using a condom that broke. I understand, from the alleged victims' complaints to the media, that Assange is also accused of texting and tweeting in the taxi on the way to one of the women's apartments while on a date, and, disgustingly enough, 'reading stories about himself online' in the cab.
Both alleged victims are also upset that he began dating a second woman while still being in a relationship with the first. (Of course, as a feminist, I am also pleased that the alleged victims are using feminist-inspired rhetoric and law to assuage what appears to be personal injured feelings. That's what our brave suffragette foremothers intended!).
Thank you again, Interpol. I know you will now prioritize the global manhunt for 1.3 million guys I have heard similar complaints about personally in the US alone -- there is an entire fraternity at the University of Texas you need to arrest immediately. I also have firsthand information that John Smith in Providence, Rhode Island, went to a stag party -- with strippers! -- that his girlfriend wanted him to skip, and that Mark Levinson in Corvallis, Oregon, did not notice that his girlfriend got a really cute new haircut -- even though it was THREE INCHES SHORTER.
Terrorists. Go get 'em, Interpol!
Yours gratefully,
Naomi Wolf
Thanks Lilo! This was priceless! 
"Fire cannot kill a dragon." -Daenerys Targaryen, Game of Thrones
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Re: Julian Assange & Wikileaks
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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12/15/10 10:01 PM
12/15/10 10:01 PM
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I read too, about the condom breakage and also that one of these women left town and/or couldn't be found, leaving authorities to think she may be dropping her charge. Haven't heard any more though.  IF that is indeed their charge, I don't see where the rape charge is. As far as other charges for printing this info, what are they? I hear traitor thrown around a lot (especially by the right) but he's NOT American so if he is a traitor it's not betraying the U.S. And then there's the whole "freedom of press" issue which I would think would be hard to overcome. This guy evidently has a "secret" computer key (or code) ready to automatically spill even more beans IF anything happens to him???  How can one not laugh at the thought of how many government bigwigs (from all over)are shaking in their boots right now? Yea, I admit, this guy IS fascinating. On the other hand the Marine that gave Assange the info, I hear today has been in Solitary confinement 23 out of 24 hours each day. Don't you need to be convicted of something before you're in solitary??? TIS
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Re: Julian Assange & Wikileaks
[Re: The Italian Stallionette]
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12/16/10 12:01 PM
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I read too, about the condom breakage and also that one of these women left town and/or couldn't be found, leaving authorities to think she may be dropping her charge. Haven't heard any more though. IF that is indeed their charge, I don't see where the rape charge is. TIS as I understand it, in Sweden, if two people are in the middle of the act and wht woman says "stop" and the man does not, it is considered "rape."
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Re: Julian Assange & Wikileaks
[Re: dontomasso]
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12/16/10 02:56 PM
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I read too, about the condom breakage and also that one of these women left town and/or couldn't be found, leaving authorities to think she may be dropping her charge. Haven't heard any more though. IF that is indeed their charge, I don't see where the rape charge is. TIS as I understand it, in Sweden, if two people are in the middle of the act and wht woman says "stop" and the man does not, it is considered "rape." Isn't it like that in the US as well? The absurdity is that in Sweden if the condom is torn, I think there's a penalty, but not to the effect of rape. I wonder if it depends on who bought the damn condom. 
"Fire cannot kill a dragon." -Daenerys Targaryen, Game of Thrones
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Re: Julian Assange & Wikileaks
[Re: The Italian Stallionette]
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12/16/10 02:58 PM
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On the other hand the Marine that gave Assange the info, I hear today has been in Solitary confinement 23 out of 24 hours each day. Don't you need to be convicted of something before you're in solitary??? TIS I could be wrong, but he isn't a civilian and is a member of military, so they have their own rules and he is screwed.
"Fire cannot kill a dragon." -Daenerys Targaryen, Game of Thrones
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Re: Julian Assange & Wikileaks
[Re: pizzaboy]
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12/17/10 03:55 AM
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Too many powerful people are upset with him. If they ever get him to the State of Virginia (where they are trying to file espionage charges against him), he's really screwed. I just don't see this pan out. Even if the US officials, and excuse me for saying that, but if they are stupid enough to bring him there and try him and find him guilty, the matter will likely go to the supreme court and it would be an ugly stain for the supreme court to find someone, let alone a non American guilty on the first amendment rights, where there's been a not guilty verdict in the case of the Pentagon Papers. These powerful people have to get used to the wiki leaks trend and watch it. This whole operation could go underground and go on. It isn't just Assange. That's an ugly attitude for a country that claims to be the beacon of democracy and free speech. Apparently it is good until it comes and bites you in the ass.
"Fire cannot kill a dragon." -Daenerys Targaryen, Game of Thrones
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Re: Julian Assange & Wikileaks
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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12/17/10 12:23 PM
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And again, if Virginia/America goes all court press to get extradition for him, it only gives him more credibility.
Let Sweden have their run. I agree. My only point was that the guy does not want to be brought here.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Julian Assange & Wikileaks
[Re: The Iceman]
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12/18/10 11:37 AM
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If Manning is convicted, I am sure he will be punished, but I think execution, at this point anyway, is a bit extreme. Assange yesterday, said never spoke with, or contacted Manning. Then how did he get the info??? Right now, to my knowledge, the only accusation against Assange is the rape charge. Also, what IF it comes down to "freedom of press" issues? Just as one's "right to bear arms".....Good luck with prosecuting that. We'll see when all the facts come out.  TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Julian Assange & Wikileaks
[Re: The Italian Stallionette]
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12/18/10 02:52 PM
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afsaneh77
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If Manning is convicted, I am sure he will be punished, but I think execution, at this point anyway, is a bit extreme. Assange yesterday, said never spoke with, or contacted Manning. Then how did he get the info??? Right now, to my knowledge, the only accusation against Assange is the rape charge. Also, what IF it comes down to "freedom of press" issues? Just as one's "right to bear arms".....Good luck with prosecuting that. We'll see when all the facts come out. TIS I believe the whole operation of sending secret documents to wikileaks is done anonymously. Actually it is their job to make sure the source's identity is not revealed and their system is set up to insure it, otherwise who in his right mind would send them any documents of that nature? But then their credibility is not that much, since you've documents that cannot be traced. For instance, some of what they've revealed form Iran sounds quite silly. Some we already knew. Some are just rumors that can't be either proved or debunked. In one report there's actually a number of votes for each candidate. In one it is claimed they didn't even count any, which sounds more accurate, but who can prove either of these without a source?
"Fire cannot kill a dragon." -Daenerys Targaryen, Game of Thrones
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Re: Julian Assange & Wikileaks
[Re: The Italian Stallionette]
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12/18/10 11:26 PM
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If Manning is convicted, I am sure he will be punished, but I think execution, at this point anyway, is a bit extreme.
TIS If Manning did it he betrays his country and his fellow soldiers but yet execution is a bit extreme? Well this is one of those we agree to disagree moments 
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Re: Julian Assange & Wikileaks
[Re: The Iceman]
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12/19/10 12:48 PM
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On the other hand the Marine that gave Assange the info, I hear today has been in Solitary confinement 23 out of 24 hours each day. Don't you need to be convicted of something before you're in solitary??? TIS If it's found that Bradley Manning(the marine in question) is in fact responsible for the leak. The Execute him ASAP that's what traitors deserve. As for Julian Assange don't even get me started on that lowlife scumbag You're so unconscionably backwards it gives me a headache.
Last edited by Don Andrew; 12/19/10 12:51 PM.
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